How sketchy is this craigslist deal

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jhansen510 4/8/2015 6:53am
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These kinds of things make me very scared for my sons future. I have seriously been considering going "off the grid" for his sake.
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There was at time where I didn't even want to birth kids into this fucked up world. But, in perspective, it's safer than in many decades/centuries/millennia...
There was at time where I didn't even want to birth kids into this fucked up world. But, in perspective, it's safer than in many decades/centuries/millennia past. That being said, don't go to Detroit.
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We have a vital dynasty to build, glad you changed your mind J. Hansen, I have the same idea of just shacking up somewhere off grid...
We have a vital dynasty to build, glad you changed your mind J.

Hansen, I have the same idea of just shacking up somewhere off grid a bit, but how's the kid gonna learn street smarts? That shit is important. Unfortunate things happen all the time to good people... just part of the gamble I guess.
I hear you and understand where you guys are coming from. I do not think it would be something that I would do. However I may buy up some land up in the Northern MN wilderness to have prepped just incase shit does ever hit the fan. My family has a 300 acre farm that we would all go to in case of anarchy. The problem is that it is not far enough removed from the cities. We would have an endless battle of trying to defend what is ours. Better than not having anywhere to go I reckon.
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jhansen510 4/8/2015 6:58am
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JM485 wrote:
The damn shame is the guy only got 35 years, should have gave him the firing squad at the center of the city for everyone to...
The damn shame is the guy only got 35 years, should have gave him the firing squad at the center of the city for everyone to see. Even that would be too nice of a death for someone who can do that to another person though, at that point you aren't a person in my eyes anymore and shouldn't be treated like one.
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I don't think it's fair to condemn a 15 year old kid for shooting someone, especially as gang initiation. His motives are likely far more complicated...
I don't think it's fair to condemn a 15 year old kid for shooting someone, especially as gang initiation. His motives are likely far more complicated than a simple moral oversight in guilt for harming/killing another human. Some kids see no way to better themselves other than to become part of a (super messed up) boys club, of sorts.
See this is where I disagree. The chances of that kid changing his ways and becoming a good person are pretty slim. As far as I am concerned an eye for an eye should be a reality in cases like these. What that young man did to the other kid is unforgivable. And the fact that he and his family were proud of it proves my point. The kid is trash raised by trash and will never be anything but trash. Does he have the ability to become a good person? Yes. Will he ever do so? Highly unlikely. Which is why I do not feel sorry for people that choose to succumb to their upbringing. There are plenty of stories of kids who make it out of the hood to do great things. Instead most of these kids would rather say they are who they are because of how or where they were brought up rather than take the road less traveled and use it is motivation to become something other than a statistic. I better stop because I could go on all day on this stuff.

JW - I did not realize that you were able to birth children. That is impressive man!
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OK I got a good story for you guys.... I had a mint 07 crf I had for sale on Craigslist. I got a call from a kid who lived like 30 min from me and wanted me to bring it to him. I have a class a licence to carry so I always bring a gun on deals. I was by myself also. So I go to this kids place and I pull in and it's an apartment complex. The kid come out and wicked sketchy looking punk but small and I'm like 6"2. So he asks to ride the bike and I'm like no way I'll ride it I. Front of you until I have the cash in my hand. He says OK. Plus the kid had no where to keep the bike it's an apartment. I knew it was a scam but I was packing so I waited it out to see what happened. So I ride the bike in front of him and he still Insists to ride it, I tell him not untill I have the cash so he says he'll go get it. I wait ten min and he comes back with two other kids one with a big adjustable wrench in his hand. They come up to me and say get off the ducking get bike. I pulled my gun out of my holster and I honestly wish I had a picture of these kids faces. They hit the ground running so ducking fast it was ridiculous!! It just shows you never go anywhere alone or with out a weapon. I'm just glad I didn't have to use it and got away safely with the bike. Sold it to a good guy two days later.
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Meanwhile in other parts of America.....

Had a young guy call yesterday PM about an AF project parts pile I was selling. I live almost 4 hours from him but he happened to be only 3 hours away at the time. He want the parts and said he could come on up. Now I live in a rural farm area down a 1/2 mile private drive, it'll be 9:00 PM before he can get here and few lights dot the area, nearest town is 20 minutes away.

He rolls in about 9;15, looks the stuff over, hands me cash, we load the parts, shoot the breeze about bikes and he hits the road for the 4 hour trip home to southern NH.

The way it should be.

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Dick Trickle 4/8/2015 7:12am
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bronwynrayne wrote:
Lemme leave this right here...

https://youtu.be/kCiiNTzwOB4
StartedTooLate wrote:
Thank you for posting that. I am speechless. Damn....
That is a fantastic story and i'm proud of that kid Ross. He has shown great fortitude to get over what happened. I know the OP wont put himself in that position but unfortunately, someone else will.
Its 2015 along with the internet revolution, the scammers and criminals have proliferated. I would say that tough regulations on registering and seeing other peoples contact details on Craiglist should be implemented. We have Gumtree in Oz, and to contact the seller, the buyer has to register. Its not perfect but its a first step in stopping the scammers.
Go to this link and click on seeing the buyers details... http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/killarney/motorcycles/honda-cr250-two-st…
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Moto3731 4/8/2015 7:14am
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That's good... I live in a good area too but there's a city 30 min from me so you always have to be carefully. You can usally tell right away just how the people talk to you and approach you about whatever your selling. If they know there shot usally it's good. If they ask you if your bike runs you should run lol
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bronwynrayne 4/8/2015 7:15am
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jhansen510 wrote:
I hear you and understand where you guys are coming from. I do not think it would be something that I would do. However I may...
I hear you and understand where you guys are coming from. I do not think it would be something that I would do. However I may buy up some land up in the Northern MN wilderness to have prepped just incase shit does ever hit the fan. My family has a 300 acre farm that we would all go to in case of anarchy. The problem is that it is not far enough removed from the cities. We would have an endless battle of trying to defend what is ours. Better than not having anywhere to go I reckon.
Come to Canadia! We have plenty of tundra for the buying. Not like that border will exist if shit goes south.
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bronwynrayne 4/8/2015 7:16am
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I don't think it's fair to condemn a 15 year old kid for shooting someone, especially as gang initiation. His motives are likely far more complicated...
I don't think it's fair to condemn a 15 year old kid for shooting someone, especially as gang initiation. His motives are likely far more complicated than a simple moral oversight in guilt for harming/killing another human. Some kids see no way to better themselves other than to become part of a (super messed up) boys club, of sorts.
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Say whaaaaaaat????
I simply disagree with the statement. Not very hard to understand Grinning
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mx256va 4/8/2015 7:31am
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Im so glad that there are places in the US that are now too dangerous to go to. Gotta love that "multiculturalism."

I cant wait until all cities in the US are too dangerous to go to. Gonna be lots of fun
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DoctorJD 4/8/2015 7:35am
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bronwynrayne wrote:
I don't think it's fair to condemn a 15 year old kid for shooting someone, especially as gang initiation. His motives are likely far more complicated...
I don't think it's fair to condemn a 15 year old kid for shooting someone, especially as gang initiation. His motives are likely far more complicated than a simple moral oversight in guilt for harming/killing another human. Some kids see no way to better themselves other than to become part of a (super messed up) boys club, of sorts.
Bullshit. He tried to take another kids life, not some random person mind you, but someone who he knew for over ten years, a friend. Yes, his culture is fucked up, but to accept that behavior as, "business as usual", is to enable it. No, I think it's more than fair to condemn that bastard.
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bronwynrayne 4/8/2015 7:44am
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Bullshit. He tried to take another kids life, not some random person mind you, but someone who he knew for over ten years, a friend. Yes...
Bullshit. He tried to take another kids life, not some random person mind you, but someone who he knew for over ten years, a friend. Yes, his culture is fucked up, but to accept that behavior as, "business as usual", is to enable it. No, I think it's more than fair to condemn that bastard.
Yo man, never said it was business as usual, just support rehabilitation over condemnation any day, especially for a 15 year old kid who I'm assuming didn't have the greatest environment growing up.
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Im so glad that there are places in the US that are now too dangerous to go to. Gotta love that "multiculturalism." I cant wait until...
Im so glad that there are places in the US that are now too dangerous to go to. Gotta love that "multiculturalism."

I cant wait until all cities in the US are too dangerous to go to. Gonna be lots of fun
I wouldnt go to this place.. not after seeing this...
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jhansen510 4/8/2015 8:08am
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DoctorJD wrote:
Bullshit. He tried to take another kids life, not some random person mind you, but someone who he knew for over ten years, a friend. Yes...
Bullshit. He tried to take another kids life, not some random person mind you, but someone who he knew for over ten years, a friend. Yes, his culture is fucked up, but to accept that behavior as, "business as usual", is to enable it. No, I think it's more than fair to condemn that bastard.
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Yo man, never said it was business as usual, just support rehabilitation over condemnation any day, especially for a 15 year old kid who I'm assuming...
Yo man, never said it was business as usual, just support rehabilitation over condemnation any day, especially for a 15 year old kid who I'm assuming didn't have the greatest environment growing up.
The "I grew up in a terrible environment" excuse will not get them very far. The truth of the matter is rehabilitation does not work because they do not want to change. If we do not start implementing some changes things are only going to get worse, much worse. I have no problem with that kid sitting behind bars for the next 35 years. I would be much happier if it was a life sentence. There is no changing someone that could do what he did. He will become a bigger piece of shit while in prison and be in the system for the rest of his life. I did not make him be what he is. He did, and because of that he should have to deal with all of the consequences. Do you honestly think that someone who did what he did should get a second chance because he grew up in a bad environment? All he would do is go out and do more crimes. You are a cool chick but I highly disagree with you on this matter!
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bronwynrayne 4/8/2015 8:13am
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The "I grew up in a terrible environment" excuse will not get them very far. The truth of the matter is rehabilitation does not work because...
The "I grew up in a terrible environment" excuse will not get them very far. The truth of the matter is rehabilitation does not work because they do not want to change. If we do not start implementing some changes things are only going to get worse, much worse. I have no problem with that kid sitting behind bars for the next 35 years. I would be much happier if it was a life sentence. There is no changing someone that could do what he did. He will become a bigger piece of shit while in prison and be in the system for the rest of his life. I did not make him be what he is. He did, and because of that he should have to deal with all of the consequences. Do you honestly think that someone who did what he did should get a second chance because he grew up in a bad environment? All he would do is go out and do more crimes. You are a cool chick but I highly disagree with you on this matter!
Crazy thing nobody on here seems to get... we're allowed to disagree and still be civil! WEIRD RIGHT?
I'm also Canadian and we do things a little different up here as far as our incarceration goes. More focus on rehab and we seem to have good results, though I definitely think the kid diddlers and rapists should be put away for life.
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piscokid 4/8/2015 8:23am
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I had a buddy go look at a bike that was for sale. Nothing sketchy, price was right for the year etc. Shows up at this farm house and walks to the barn. Guy opens the door and follows my buddy in and pulls a gun and robs him. Locks him in the barn and bolts. My buddy manages to get out of the barn and calls the cops. (left phone in the truck) Turns out the farm was foreclosed on and abandoned. Nothing he could do. Next bike search he takes me. He gets out of the truck at this guys house and immediately shows him the gun he is carrying and tells this guy that I was packing as well. He goes on to explain what happened. The seller was a little rattled (for good reason) and my buddy bought his bike. The point i, it goes both ways, taking cash to look at a bike or dropping a bike off.
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mx256va 4/8/2015 8:29am
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bronwynrayne wrote:
Crazy thing nobody on here seems to get... we're allowed to disagree and still be civil! WEIRD RIGHT? I'm also Canadian and we do things a...
Crazy thing nobody on here seems to get... we're allowed to disagree and still be civil! WEIRD RIGHT?
I'm also Canadian and we do things a little different up here as far as our incarceration goes. More focus on rehab and we seem to have good results, though I definitely think the kid diddlers and rapists should be put away for life.
oIts a little different in the US... theres a large population of... certain people... who wont change and will never change. If you lived in the US you would understand, thw only real solution is to just lock these people up. Theres no rehabilitating them.
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jhansen510 4/8/2015 8:37am
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jhansen510 wrote:
The "I grew up in a terrible environment" excuse will not get them very far. The truth of the matter is rehabilitation does not work because...
The "I grew up in a terrible environment" excuse will not get them very far. The truth of the matter is rehabilitation does not work because they do not want to change. If we do not start implementing some changes things are only going to get worse, much worse. I have no problem with that kid sitting behind bars for the next 35 years. I would be much happier if it was a life sentence. There is no changing someone that could do what he did. He will become a bigger piece of shit while in prison and be in the system for the rest of his life. I did not make him be what he is. He did, and because of that he should have to deal with all of the consequences. Do you honestly think that someone who did what he did should get a second chance because he grew up in a bad environment? All he would do is go out and do more crimes. You are a cool chick but I highly disagree with you on this matter!
bronwynrayne wrote:
Crazy thing nobody on here seems to get... we're allowed to disagree and still be civil! WEIRD RIGHT? I'm also Canadian and we do things a...
Crazy thing nobody on here seems to get... we're allowed to disagree and still be civil! WEIRD RIGHT?
I'm also Canadian and we do things a little different up here as far as our incarceration goes. More focus on rehab and we seem to have good results, though I definitely think the kid diddlers and rapists should be put away for life.
Am I not being civil? I was attempting to! I guess my disagreement is in that I see a murderer or attempted murderer the same as I see a kid diddler or a rapist. IMO once you cross that line there is no coming back. I live in one of the more liberal states of the U.S. so I am pretty used to not seeing things the same as my peers.
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bronwynrayne 4/8/2015 8:42am
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Am I not being civil? I was attempting to! I guess my disagreement is in that I see a murderer or attempted murderer the same as...
Am I not being civil? I was attempting to! I guess my disagreement is in that I see a murderer or attempted murderer the same as I see a kid diddler or a rapist. IMO once you cross that line there is no coming back. I live in one of the more liberal states of the U.S. so I am pretty used to not seeing things the same as my peers.
You definitely are being civil, it's refreshing. That wasn't sarcasm (for once) har har.

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Micahdogg 4/8/2015 8:49am
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I can't believe people actually fall for this stuff. Listen to your Dad junior.
DanDunes818 4/8/2015 9:09am
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bronwynrayne wrote:
Lemme leave this right here...

https://youtu.be/kCiiNTzwOB4
Thank you for sharing that kids story. That was awesome. It felt like I was listening to a ghost in part 2. I mean the kid should be dead. That obviously is a completely different context to this story, but could of obviously ended very similar.
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dboivin 4/8/2015 9:17am
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never deliver a craigslist sale....ever.
DanDunes818 4/8/2015 9:28am
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dboivin wrote:
never deliver a craigslist sale....ever.
I buy and sell quite a bit on Craigslist and that's not true. I've delivered a few things, but I always trust my instincts if something seems fishy, don't do it and I always meet them at the closest Starbucks to their house. I never tell them what I look like or what i'm driving either. I tell them I'll text them when I get to Starbucks and always text them after I'm inside Starbucks.

Craigslist is an awesome tool to sell stuff and the majority of people on there are decent people, but like anything that involves money, the exchange of products and services and strangers, you need to be smart about it.
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jeffro503 4/8/2015 10:41am
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MotoMalyDad wrote:
Damn just watched part 1 and 2... Detroit off the bucket list
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I know right? What a damn shame.
JM485 wrote:
The damn shame is the guy only got 35 years, should have gave him the firing squad at the center of the city for everyone to...
The damn shame is the guy only got 35 years, should have gave him the firing squad at the center of the city for everyone to see. Even that would be too nice of a death for someone who can do that to another person though, at that point you aren't a person in my eyes anymore and shouldn't be treated like one.
I've never seen this before and I gotta say that kid is pretty inspirational. Very positive young man. Very wild story as well. And I'm glad they didn't give the death penalty to that kid that shot him , as I'd want him to be miserable every day of his life for the next 35yrs. I think he should of had a longer sentence to be honest , but 35yrs should do just fine.
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40Plus_922mx 4/8/2015 11:02am
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I must have sold over 50 bikes and quads sin the last 25 years. Here's what I have learned.

Price it right (do the research).

Never be too anxious to sell.

As soon as a buyer starts asking for weird stuff like you delivering the bike, or hold it for a week with no money down, etc. just loose interest. If they are for real they will make the sale happen.

And when you have a guy standing in front of you picking apart the bike he is trying to tell you something. "I am not the buyer you are looking for". As soon as this head ache leaves the right guy who only sees love for your bike will come along and won't be able to load it fast enough into his truck as you waste time trying to tell him how much stuff you have done to it.


Probably the best example of this is when I was trying to sell my precious 1997 F350 Crew Cab with a built 7.3. Built trans. 456's, 2 ton springs. tuned by John Woods tow rig with only 26000 miles on the engine and trans.

I listed it for 18000 every where. My phone rang off the hook. So many guys swore they wanted it. I waited for a few guys to try and get loans, refy their homes etc. I held it for more than one guy only to get let hanging. Then as everyone else started asking for me to hold it I just told every single one of them first guy at my door with cash gets it. I had stressed for weeks with all these guys. Some kid drove down from Arizona after work handed me the cash and wouldn't even listen to me when I tried to explain the on board air, and the programmer. LoL. He just turned the key and left.
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DMG 4/8/2015 11:04am
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kawi448 wrote:
I have my bike on Craigslist. I get a text yesterday that says " is it still available", I say yes, he says "I'm willing to...
I have my bike on Craigslist. I get a text yesterday that says " is it still available", I say yes, he says "I'm willing to buy it" which I thought was odd but ok. He says "if I pay for delivery can you drive it here since I don't have a truck". I say yes. So he's in east Cleveland, I'm in Detroit area, which is a 2.5 hour
drive. He then says as long as it runs and rides everything is good I just want to buy it should be like a new bike (it's a 2013).

So I call him later and we talk about when I'm coming and I tell him I'm not coming unless he buys it for sure and he says he has 5000 cash. Now not to be racist, but I found out he is black, and his address is in the inner city somewhat. I told my dad about this and he said he thinks it's someone trying to set me up for a mugging by appointment or something like that. If I meet him in a public place it might be ok but what do you all think. Any suggestions?
Im not a smart guy by any stretch, but Im smart enough to know this is a dumb idea.
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40Plus_922mx wrote:
I must have sold over 50 bikes and quads sin the last 25 years. Here's what I have learned. Price it right (do the research). Never...
I must have sold over 50 bikes and quads sin the last 25 years. Here's what I have learned.

Price it right (do the research).

Never be too anxious to sell.

As soon as a buyer starts asking for weird stuff like you delivering the bike, or hold it for a week with no money down, etc. just loose interest. If they are for real they will make the sale happen.

And when you have a guy standing in front of you picking apart the bike he is trying to tell you something. "I am not the buyer you are looking for". As soon as this head ache leaves the right guy who only sees love for your bike will come along and won't be able to load it fast enough into his truck as you waste time trying to tell him how much stuff you have done to it.


Probably the best example of this is when I was trying to sell my precious 1997 F350 Crew Cab with a built 7.3. Built trans. 456's, 2 ton springs. tuned by John Woods tow rig with only 26000 miles on the engine and trans.

I listed it for 18000 every where. My phone rang off the hook. So many guys swore they wanted it. I waited for a few guys to try and get loans, refy their homes etc. I held it for more than one guy only to get let hanging. Then as everyone else started asking for me to hold it I just told every single one of them first guy at my door with cash gets it. I had stressed for weeks with all these guys. Some kid drove down from Arizona after work handed me the cash and wouldn't even listen to me when I tried to explain the on board air, and the programmer. LoL. He just turned the key and left.
exactly!!

well said bud!
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ChrisB10 4/8/2015 2:17pm
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Buying heroin from someone with a badge would be less sketchy
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dboivin 4/8/2015 2:59pm
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dboivin wrote:
never deliver a craigslist sale....ever.
DanDunes818 wrote:
I buy and sell quite a bit on Craigslist and that's not true. I've delivered a few things, but I always trust my instincts if something...
I buy and sell quite a bit on Craigslist and that's not true. I've delivered a few things, but I always trust my instincts if something seems fishy, don't do it and I always meet them at the closest Starbucks to their house. I never tell them what I look like or what i'm driving either. I tell them I'll text them when I get to Starbucks and always text them after I'm inside Starbucks.

Craigslist is an awesome tool to sell stuff and the majority of people on there are decent people, but like anything that involves money, the exchange of products and services and strangers, you need to be smart about it.
ok let me rephrase, never deliver a craigslist sale unless you go full blown investigator/undercover cop on them to complete the deal???

anytime someone wants you to waste your time and travel without repercussion on them for not showing..backing out...scamming you...stealing from you....Don't do it.

i see it on the facebook sale threads all the time. "I've got the money can you meet me half way"....guy with bike drives 2hrs to location arranged to meet....no one shows, he drives 2hrs home and throws a fit on the thread about it. said buyer laughs and says "you're a piece of shit, should never have fucked with my gf last week". lmao. happens ALL the time on fb for sale threads and craigslist.
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scooterB 4/8/2015 4:12pm
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looks like the "whilly boi" trend has made its way further east into CLE now..

if it was the west side of the city, youd be good. some parts of east cleveland rival the worst in detroit imo

ive been thinking about selling a bike lately, and shit like this is why i'm so apprehensive

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