2 Stroke Hope?

neverwasfastenuf 3/19/2015 12:17pm
3/19/2015 12:17pm
GuyB wrote:
Every year one of these threads pop up with rumors of a new Kawi two-stroke, and every year I point it out to Kawi PR guys...
Every year one of these threads pop up with rumors of a new Kawi two-stroke, and every year I point it out to Kawi PR guys. They just shake their heads and laugh.
newmann wrote:
And the sad part about that is they are too stupid to see KTM kicking their ass. Kawasaki PR guys hard at work....:laugh: :laugh: [img]http://www.instant-ramen.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/japanese_sleeping_1.jpg[/img]
And the sad part about that is they are too stupid to see KTM kicking their ass.

Kawasaki PR guys hard at work....Laughing Laughing

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
Wasatch Rider 3/19/2015 12:20pm
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Around here the off road segment is prominent but even in moto KTM is everywhere.

2 strokes are abundant and growing.
Quite a few boutique brands too like Beta Husky etc with 2 strokes.

Lots of Beta 2 strokes.
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rcannon wrote:
Its funny how these conversations are so similar to 1970 when Japanese endure bikes were replacing BSA's, Nortons, and such for offroad use. Also, long travel...
Its funny how these conversations are so similar to 1970 when Japanese endure bikes were replacing BSA's, Nortons, and such for offroad use. Also, long travel suspension will never catch on since it makes the seats too tall.

If you go to any shop, you'll see offroad motorcycles are not a big deal anymore. Any manufacturer is trying to make money and the sales are for the four wheeled vehicles. What would you do? Spend 10 million developing a 250 two stroke where you might sell 10,000 or spend the same amount on a four wheeled soemthing and sell 100,000?

The races for the two strokes will always be there just as you'll find a race for your old BSA or Norton.

Honestly they could lightly modify the 2007 motor (both cosmetically, and mechanically) for very little money.

Throw it in the kxf250 frame. (most of the engineering is already done)

Make some new graphics.

Make some marketing material, website.

xxxx??????

Profit
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Craig_Lambrecht 3/19/2015 3:12pm
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Bultaco wrote:
Those of us that grew up on and like 2-smokes, understand that no one really cares whether 2-strokes make a come back or not. But, it...
Those of us that grew up on and like 2-smokes, understand that no one really cares whether 2-strokes make a come back or not. But, it is neat to see/hear/smell the occasional ring ding and see them get some modern day love.

Blendzall Green label.....Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! :-)

THIS!! I could care less if they made a come back. In fact, I kind of prefer to be the "outsider" for riding one.
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TeamGreen 3/19/2015 3:34pm
3/19/2015 3:34pm Edited Date/Time 3/19/2015 3:36pm
I'm gonna call all YOU 2T guys out soon...in a new thread...

Seems you aren't BUYING the new YZ & SX MODELS LIKE YOU SAY YOU ARE!

Like I said...I'll be sharing what I've recently learned about the True Number of Units Sold...

Tisk, tisk, tisk...

Very disappointed.
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I love the smell of pre-mix in the morning. Smells like.....victory.
Hey - layoff my sig!
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valvesr4wimps 3/19/2015 3:41pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
I'm gonna call all YOU 2T guys out soon...in a new thread... Seems you aren't BUYING the new YZ & SX MODELS LIKE YOU SAY YOU...
I'm gonna call all YOU 2T guys out soon...in a new thread...

Seems you aren't BUYING the new YZ & SX MODELS LIKE YOU SAY YOU ARE!

Like I said...I'll be sharing what I've recently learned about the True Number of Units Sold...

Tisk, tisk, tisk...

Very disappointed.
What new models? Its all been the same for years. The 4 strokes get the R and D $$$$
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Tiki 3/19/2015 4:17pm
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Bultaco wrote:
Those of us that grew up on and like 2-smokes, understand that no one really cares whether 2-strokes make a come back or not. But, it...
Those of us that grew up on and like 2-smokes, understand that no one really cares whether 2-strokes make a come back or not. But, it is neat to see/hear/smell the occasional ring ding and see them get some modern day love.

Blendzall Green label.....Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! :-)

This is about the best way this has ever been put.
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TeamGreen wrote:
I'm gonna call all YOU 2T guys out soon...in a new thread... Seems you aren't BUYING the new YZ & SX MODELS LIKE YOU SAY YOU...
I'm gonna call all YOU 2T guys out soon...in a new thread...

Seems you aren't BUYING the new YZ & SX MODELS LIKE YOU SAY YOU ARE!

Like I said...I'll be sharing what I've recently learned about the True Number of Units Sold...

Tisk, tisk, tisk...

Very disappointed.
Im sure the guy's wanting the ktm 2ts would like to know how to buy more than than they send into the states. Blink
Harry Backmon 3/19/2015 6:09pm
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I hear that San Bernardino ran out of money in the city fund for mosquito abatement.
Slip, that profile pic looks familiar!
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IceMan446 3/19/2015 6:17pm
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There is no hope.

Keep dreaming is something I would recommend.
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IceMan446 3/19/2015 6:21pm
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valvesr4wimps wrote:
What new models? Its all been the same for years. The 4 strokes get the R and D $$$$
KTM updates their bikes.

And every year Yamaha has their two strokes on the showroom floors. Albeit, not as updated but their bikes are bullet proof and are more than 90% of the population could handle.

BUT...the guys saying they love 2Ts aren't purchasing them at the rate they are complaining about them not being in professional racing in the US. Thats what TeamGreen is saying.

All this chatter about them being brought back wouldn't be mindless chatter if everyone went out and bought one.

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Uncle Tony wrote:
Just a whiff of castor oil
Darryl916 wrote:
Yeah. This isn't the first ever 2 stroke retro pro race. They come around every now and then.


It was the same year as this race.......... what video does Decoster ride with RC on RM250s? Glover, Lamson and Stanton took a lap too
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slipdog 3/19/2015 6:28pm
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slipdog wrote:
I hear that San Bernardino ran out of money in the city fund for mosquito abatement.
Harry Backmon wrote:
Slip, that profile pic looks familiar!
I wondered how long it would take for you to pick up on it.

I started rotating my avatar pics a few weeks back and decided this one would look good for the next week or so. Cool
Harry Backmon 3/19/2015 6:47pm
3/19/2015 6:47pm
Heck yeah, Slip! What beautiful work you did! Can't wait to try it out.
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I am not going to be buying a new bike of any kind, but I do like watching and listening to two strokes being raced by top level pros.
And BTW, Golden Spectro was always my choice of oils. :-)
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TeamGreen 3/19/2015 7:34pm
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valvesr4wimps wrote:
What new models? Its all been the same for years. The 4 strokes get the R and D $$$$
IceMan446 wrote:
KTM updates their bikes. And every year Yamaha has their two strokes on the showroom floors. Albeit, not as updated but their bikes are bullet proof...
KTM updates their bikes.

And every year Yamaha has their two strokes on the showroom floors. Albeit, not as updated but their bikes are bullet proof and are more than 90% of the population could handle.

BUT...the guys saying they love 2Ts aren't purchasing them at the rate they are complaining about them not being in professional racing in the US. Thats what TeamGreen is saying.

All this chatter about them being brought back wouldn't be mindless chatter if everyone went out and bought one.

Boom!

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TeamGreen wrote:
I'm gonna call all YOU 2T guys out soon...in a new thread... Seems you aren't BUYING the new YZ & SX MODELS LIKE YOU SAY YOU...
I'm gonna call all YOU 2T guys out soon...in a new thread...

Seems you aren't BUYING the new YZ & SX MODELS LIKE YOU SAY YOU ARE!

Like I said...I'll be sharing what I've recently learned about the True Number of Units Sold...

Tisk, tisk, tisk...

Very disappointed.
Go ahead..

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Dude, it's more than just hope. KTM is working on an injected 2-stroke engine that is going to be a complete game changer. I heard about it about 10 years ago so it should be coming pretty soon. Also, some dude in Australia put a 500 2-stroke engine into a YZ450F chassis so, like, yeah. I'd start stocking up on pre-mix.... Grinning
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valvesr4wimps wrote:
What new models? Its all been the same for years. The 4 strokes get the R and D $$$$
IceMan446 wrote:
KTM updates their bikes. And every year Yamaha has their two strokes on the showroom floors. Albeit, not as updated but their bikes are bullet proof...
KTM updates their bikes.

And every year Yamaha has their two strokes on the showroom floors. Albeit, not as updated but their bikes are bullet proof and are more than 90% of the population could handle.

BUT...the guys saying they love 2Ts aren't purchasing them at the rate they are complaining about them not being in professional racing in the US. Thats what TeamGreen is saying.

All this chatter about them being brought back wouldn't be mindless chatter if everyone went out and bought one.

I know very few people anymore that talk about buying a new four stroke and even fewer that actually go buy one. Considering how good they were supposed to be for the sport, I'd say they fell a little short themselves.
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kiwifan 3/19/2015 8:17pm
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Honda recently renewed their trademark on the Elsinore name, which we all know was the name of the first 2 stroke MX bikes.
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kiwifan 3/19/2015 8:24pm
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mx_563 wrote:
Dude, it's more than just hope. KTM is working on an injected 2-stroke engine that is going to be a complete game changer. I heard about...
Dude, it's more than just hope. KTM is working on an injected 2-stroke engine that is going to be a complete game changer. I heard about it about 10 years ago so it should be coming pretty soon. Also, some dude in Australia put a 500 2-stroke engine into a YZ450F chassis so, like, yeah. I'd start stocking up on pre-mix.... Grinning
Was a guy in NZ not Australia, his engine was a fuel injected CR500 engine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y91Jms6MyCY
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Uncle Tony wrote:
Just a whiff of castor oil
Darryl916 wrote:
Yeah. This isn't the first ever 2 stroke retro pro race. They come around every now and then.


How good did that CR of Lichtle's sound.. I wonder what CC it was?
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Uncle Tony wrote:
Just a whiff of castor oil
Darryl916 wrote:
Yeah. This isn't the first ever 2 stroke retro pro race. They come around every now and then.


nytsmaC wrote:
How good did that CR of Lichtle's sound.. I wonder what CC it was?
I was thinking the same thing. That was not a 250! Whatever it was, was big.
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Just look at the bend on the pipe (looking from front of bike, in front of rider's left leg) = 500

Confirmed.

http://811foundation.com/about/
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mb wrote:
Just look at the bend on the pipe (looking from front of bike, in front of rider's left leg) = 500

Confirmed.

http://811foundation.com/about/
It says in the writeup that he rode a Service Honda 500 :-)
neverwasfastenuf 3/19/2015 9:19pm
3/19/2015 9:19pm Edited Date/Time 3/19/2015 9:20pm
valvesr4wimps wrote:
What new models? Its all been the same for years. The 4 strokes get the R and D $$$$
IceMan446 wrote:
KTM updates their bikes. And every year Yamaha has their two strokes on the showroom floors. Albeit, not as updated but their bikes are bullet proof...
KTM updates their bikes.

And every year Yamaha has their two strokes on the showroom floors. Albeit, not as updated but their bikes are bullet proof and are more than 90% of the population could handle.

BUT...the guys saying they love 2Ts aren't purchasing them at the rate they are complaining about them not being in professional racing in the US. Thats what TeamGreen is saying.

All this chatter about them being brought back wouldn't be mindless chatter if everyone went out and bought one.

TeamGreen wrote:
Boom!
Let's just take a little informal poll of the buying habits in the past three years of vital members for comparison just for grins.

2013 300 XC here, bought new
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IceMan446 wrote:
KTM updates their bikes. And every year Yamaha has their two strokes on the showroom floors. Albeit, not as updated but their bikes are bullet proof...
KTM updates their bikes.

And every year Yamaha has their two strokes on the showroom floors. Albeit, not as updated but their bikes are bullet proof and are more than 90% of the population could handle.

BUT...the guys saying they love 2Ts aren't purchasing them at the rate they are complaining about them not being in professional racing in the US. Thats what TeamGreen is saying.

All this chatter about them being brought back wouldn't be mindless chatter if everyone went out and bought one.

TeamGreen wrote:
Boom!
neverwasfastenuf wrote:
Let's just take a little informal poll of the buying habits in the past three years of vital members for comparison just for grins. 2013 300...
Let's just take a little informal poll of the buying habits in the past three years of vital members for comparison just for grins.

2013 300 XC here, bought new
Problem there is that vital members are only a very small percentage of the consumer market, it will not help the arguement
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valvesr4wimps 3/19/2015 9:23pm
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valvesr4wimps wrote:
What new models? Its all been the same for years. The 4 strokes get the R and D $$$$
IceMan446 wrote:
KTM updates their bikes. And every year Yamaha has their two strokes on the showroom floors. Albeit, not as updated but their bikes are bullet proof...
KTM updates their bikes.

And every year Yamaha has their two strokes on the showroom floors. Albeit, not as updated but their bikes are bullet proof and are more than 90% of the population could handle.

BUT...the guys saying they love 2Ts aren't purchasing them at the rate they are complaining about them not being in professional racing in the US. Thats what TeamGreen is saying.

All this chatter about them being brought back wouldn't be mindless chatter if everyone went out and bought one.

The reason folks who like 2 strokes don't buy enough of them is because the 2 stroke they already have does the job quite well and is easy to maintain. Why drop 8 grand on a new bike that probably will not drop your lap times one whit?

A four stroke 250 on the other hand, will eat you out of house and home. That's why they sell so well!

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