Ken Roczen

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mxgoon 2/21/2015 11:51pm
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Aldon hasn't exactly made a champion out of Anderson.

Kenny is still young. He will be fine.
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JPT 2/22/2015 1:41am
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Ken is going to be pretty sore for several days to come. He may or may not be able to shake it by next Saturday.
Motocross83 2/22/2015 1:50am
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If Ken can't come back and win the title, well.. this is only his 2nd 450 SX season ever and he's racing against one of the very best riders there is. No shame in that. Was gutted for him last night, you could sort of sense the change in momentum this past couple of weeks. From a selfish pov though I'm mostly gutted for the tight points battle we had going in the 450s.
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KlootZak 2/22/2015 3:51am
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It's funny how stubborn most people are regarding Aldon Baker. What has that guy got to do to prove his talent? Blink In the last 13 years or so, he won more than 10 SX championships with 3 different people and some still think he has absolutely no influence on the riders. Huh

I have never seen Dungey ride that good since he started with Aldon. RV also made a giant leap when he started with Aldon. Roczen had lost 2 AMA 250 outdoor championships due to fitness. Next year (his first with Aldon) he won the 450 outdoor championship.

Coincidence? I don't think so

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Did Kenny lose those titles due to fitness?

I think Bagget was flat out better in 2012 and Kenny/Ei were equal in 13... Just Kenny broke himself at Millville. Being fitter doesn't stop you crashing or getting injured.
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Hank_Thrill 2/22/2015 4:03am
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Man, just based off what RC has said in the booth about Tickle during bad performances, I bet RC is feeling a little stressed.

Here's my speculation - I think Ken may have rung his bell a little bit when he cased that triple. Then, the following week at A3 he was really struggling, making a lot of mistakes, and riding sketchy at times. I remember Reed said after ringing his bell in 2011 on the Chadapult, his processor wasn't back up to speed at Washougal the following week. To me, Ken just hasn't seemed the same since casing that triple. Once again, just speculating.
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KlootZak 2/22/2015 4:13am
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Crush wrote:
Did Kenny lose those titles due to fitness? I think Bagget was flat out better in 2012 and Kenny/Ei were equal in 13... Just Kenny broke...
Did Kenny lose those titles due to fitness?

I think Bagget was flat out better in 2012 and Kenny/Ei were equal in 13... Just Kenny broke himself at Millville. Being fitter doesn't stop you crashing or getting injured.
I don't know but in his first outdoor season, he barely won any race while he lead almost as much laps as Baggett. Only in the last couple of laps in the race, they would pass him (over and over again)
crusty_xx 2/22/2015 4:33am
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Crush wrote:
Did Kenny lose those titles due to fitness? I think Bagget was flat out better in 2012 and Kenny/Ei were equal in 13... Just Kenny broke...
Did Kenny lose those titles due to fitness?

I think Bagget was flat out better in 2012 and Kenny/Ei were equal in 13... Just Kenny broke himself at Millville. Being fitter doesn't stop you crashing or getting injured.
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I don't know but in his first outdoor season, he barely won any race while he lead almost as much laps as Baggett. Only in the...
I don't know but in his first outdoor season, he barely won any race while he lead almost as much laps as Baggett. Only in the last couple of laps in the race, they would pass him (over and over again)
He was training with his father back then. Went running with his father (I dont think he can run as fast and long as Ken needed to for proper training) and did some raoing and cycling training in front of the playstation.
It just wasnt enough for that 250 class with Barcia Baggett and Tomac in it.

I'm sure training with Baker was good for him but I dont think his mistakes or crashes wouldnt have happened had he not split with him in December
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He left a solid factory team he was winning on to go to a new unproven B team, what could go wrong with that? It's going...
He left a solid factory team he was winning on to go to a new unproven B team, what could go wrong with that?
It's going to cost him at least a year.
Way too many KTM super fans on this forum. Highly doubt that Kenny is at a disadvantage with machinery. His bike looks fine.
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wfo4ever 2/22/2015 5:16am
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There is still a lot of racing left, one mistake from any rider could end their supercross season or year. Good times, Bad times....
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Going back to his old trainer/Dad is probably like when we go back to an old girlfriend hoping things will be different, but sure as shit after a month, its the same shit that made us miserable. Never go back, move forward.
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zippy895 2/22/2015 5:41am
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Being that Roczen looked more focused under Aldens wings and now making hickups on the track..
One has to wonder how Alden attacks the mental game in Roczen.Roczen moved on,but you have to wonder if he dropped his guard just a bit.Just enough.
Another note Roczen didn't care for,was riding on Mondays under Aldens program.but maybe he needed it in the disapline area.Doing something you dislike while an outsider tells you to do it.Thats a mental battle you have to endure.Its the little stupid things that mean little to the rider that a trainer sees differently.
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dirtnapper wrote:
Dungey has learned ( very well ) how to put a series together, Dude is SOLID. All. The. Time.
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he's also faster than ever. the work (and championship sacrifice to build that bike and brand) has paid off. as i've said, if villopoto came back...
he's also faster than ever. the work (and championship sacrifice to build that bike and brand) has paid off. as i've said, if villopoto came back next year, he'd face a different dungey.
Dungey is looking good but, to say Villopoto would face another Dungey wouldn't matter. Villopoto would destroy the new ole newer any kind of Dungey. Took that title 4 years in a row from him. If Villopoto was on deck you would see another Dungey. #5 With a white number plate. Why does wleveryone always drag Villopoto into this. I would love to see him come back and take that title from who ever wins it this year. Only to show everyone he is just that good.
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mx836 2/22/2015 6:55am
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zippy895 wrote:
Being that Roczen looked more focused under Aldens wings and now making hickups on the track.. One has to wonder how Alden attacks the mental game...
Being that Roczen looked more focused under Aldens wings and now making hickups on the track..
One has to wonder how Alden attacks the mental game in Roczen.Roczen moved on,but you have to wonder if he dropped his guard just a bit.Just enough.
Another note Roczen didn't care for,was riding on Mondays under Aldens program.but maybe he needed it in the disapline area.Doing something you dislike while an outsider tells you to do it.Thats a mental battle you have to endure.Its the little stupid things that mean little to the rider that a trainer sees differently.
Sometimes we know better, but it's just so damn hard to resist. Laughing
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newmann 2/22/2015 7:43am
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Too many young heathens here. Doesn't anyone remember the Suzuki curse? It's the Suzuki curse.
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newmann 2/22/2015 7:45am
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Aldon could get Jody on the top step of the podium with his ground up shrimp shell berry juice, a bicycle ride and an extra tooth on the rear. True story.
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newmann 2/22/2015 7:48am
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Ken needs to go to the place back home, called the Dairy Queen , with RC and have a Blizzard summit.
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davistld01 2/22/2015 7:50am
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Kenny is trying too hard.

Not saying he's riding over his head, because he's totally capable. When he's in his zone & comfortable he's hard to beat. When he's not, he tends to beat himself. It just seems like he's over compensating.

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jeffro503 2/22/2015 8:16am
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I'm just really , really glad he didn't get hurt worse in that wreck. So many different ways an off track wreck , onto concrete can go wrong. Damn he hit that wall hard! That is one tough freakin' kid!
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jeffro503 wrote:
I'm just really , really glad he didn't get hurt worse in that wreck. So many different ways an off track wreck , onto concrete can...
I'm just really , really glad he didn't get hurt worse in that wreck. So many different ways an off track wreck , onto concrete can go wrong. Damn he hit that wall hard! That is one tough freakin' kid!
Ya that was a hard hit and that crash in the main was brutal. Thats what makes SX so hard 17 races in 18 weeks i believe, Fro mentioned it last night. Absolutely no time to recover,
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jeffro503 2/22/2015 8:33am
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jeffro503 wrote:
I'm just really , really glad he didn't get hurt worse in that wreck. So many different ways an off track wreck , onto concrete can...
I'm just really , really glad he didn't get hurt worse in that wreck. So many different ways an off track wreck , onto concrete can go wrong. Damn he hit that wall hard! That is one tough freakin' kid!
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Ya that was a hard hit and that crash in the main was brutal. Thats what makes SX so hard 17 races in 18 weeks i...
Ya that was a hard hit and that crash in the main was brutal. Thats what makes SX so hard 17 races in 18 weeks i believe, Fro mentioned it last night. Absolutely no time to recover,
That's riiiigght! I forgot about the main event crash. That was some wild video there. Damn Suzuki was heading to the moon.
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karsmakers 2/22/2015 8:43am
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newmann wrote:
Ken needs to go to the place back home, called the Dairy Queen , with RC and have a Blizzard summit.
Didn't Kenny break up with his girlfriend? Clearly he is out chasing new tail and has lost focus. Euro's like to do it....but not as much as AmericansWink
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It's because he doesn't use a plate anymore to flip his omelet over in the morning.
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Ashleymx 2/22/2015 9:31am
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I think since he cased that triple he's had minor injuries but the main problem is he lost his confidence. Aldon would have got that back for him either with words or simply because in the back of Roczens mind he would have known he had that trusted support there. Who knows what his dad is telling him? Maybe nothing bad but he's not Aldon who has proven time and time again he knows his stuff. Roczen may also be envious of that new KTM too? I personally thought he was crazy to change teams like that.
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malachi177 2/22/2015 9:52am
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mx836 wrote:
Way too many KTM super fans on this forum. Highly doubt that Kenny is at a disadvantage with machinery. His bike looks fine.
No kiddingPinch
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DonM 2/22/2015 9:58am
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Ken is losing confidence...the first few races in his mind nobody could beat him and he was right...since Oakland his confidence has been shaken and Dungey has all the confidence now...and is on his way...
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jstein639 2/22/2015 10:04am
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It's a shame he crashed when he went for the quad when it didn't even turn out to be a factor in the main.
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theToothPerry 2/22/2015 10:18am
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jonesaustin wrote:
he's also faster than ever. the work (and championship sacrifice to build that bike and brand) has paid off. as i've said, if villopoto came back...
he's also faster than ever. the work (and championship sacrifice to build that bike and brand) has paid off. as i've said, if villopoto came back next year, he'd face a different dungey.
Still dont think thats true. If Dungey gets the start and the contenders dont then yes. but if Dungey starts in 2nd or 3rd, he stays there.
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BobPA 2/22/2015 11:05am
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jonesaustin wrote:
he's also faster than ever. the work (and championship sacrifice to build that bike and brand) has paid off. as i've said, if villopoto came back...
he's also faster than ever. the work (and championship sacrifice to build that bike and brand) has paid off. as i've said, if villopoto came back next year, he'd face a different dungey.
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Still dont think thats true. If Dungey gets the start and the contenders dont then yes. but if Dungey starts in 2nd or 3rd, he stays...
Still dont think thats true. If Dungey gets the start and the contenders dont then yes. but if Dungey starts in 2nd or 3rd, he stays there.
Canard and tomac had nothing for him last night. What other contenders are you referring to here?
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theToothPerry 2/22/2015 11:22am
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BobPA wrote:
Canard and tomac had nothing for him last night. What other contenders are you referring to here?
I meant if Canard and Tomac started in front of him. Read a little deeper next time.

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