Most over hyped rookie that hasn't performed

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Robbie Reynard. Had many good rides but no championships.
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rcm406 wrote:
Alessi, period.
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I will say he hasn't produced, but I don't believe he was over hyped by any stretch of the imagination. Yes the "believe the hype" shirts...
I will say he hasn't produced, but I don't believe he was over hyped by any stretch of the imagination.


Yes the "believe the hype" shirts were ridiculous, but other then that he earned all the hype he has coming through armatures....ask anyone who was fortunate enough to be in the era, spectating or racing, when Mike was on 80's.....it was literally incredible how fast he was. I can only think of one time that he lost at a national straight up ( ponca 03? ) and it shocked everyone. He NEVER lost.

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Tell that to DM18 (or 118).
Fair enough . Ill give you that.

rocketsocks26 1/28/2015 7:13pm
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I think AC. And I remember how he use to have a fued with cooper webb, and im sure AC will be great but webb is by far the better of the 2 as of now.
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I think AC. And I remember how he use to have a fued with cooper webb, and im sure AC will be great but webb is...
I think AC. And I remember how he use to have a fued with cooper webb, and im sure AC will be great but webb is by far the better of the 2 as of now.
AC has more wins and podiums as of right now.

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Cooper only looking good cause of the weak competetion,bowers, Stewart,Osborne are good riders but not great riders ect
I expect Ac to crush cooper when it comes to outdoors.imo
Matt moss multiple aus sx champ, can't even make a main this year.
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smrscott wrote:
Mouse McCoy
Paul Dennis
Eddie Hicks
How can you say Mouse McCoy when he never even rode a national?
neverwasfastenuf 1/28/2015 7:32pm
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wfo250 wrote:
Robbie Reynard. Had many good rides but no championships.
Reynard wasn't overhyped, he just hit every piece of bad luck he could find along the way. Sad deal too, because if things would have went his way he had the talent, style, and speed to rack up some impressive stats. I don't think racing indoors on a 125 did him any favors either, he was just too big and was never completely healthy.
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struth wrote:
Cooper only looking good cause of the weak competetion,bowers, Stewart,Osborne are good riders but not great riders ect I expect Ac to crush cooper when it...
Cooper only looking good cause of the weak competetion,bowers, Stewart,Osborne are good riders but not great riders ect
I expect Ac to crush cooper when it comes to outdoors.imo
Matt moss multiple aus sx champ, can't even make a main this year.
you are high, bud!

no one on any coast is going to crush Cooper.
neverwasfastenuf 1/28/2015 7:41pm
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Smile

What did they call him? The 11 million dollar lemon or something like that?

Didn't he just make it into the HOF?
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Ac... Hands down. Poor kid...
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Ac... Hands down. Poor kid...
Give him some time, he definitely has the heart. Popping that shoulder back in and ready to go!
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Ac has won races. Any winner isn't overhyped.

I'd say alessi, has he ever really dominated? Went 1-1 outdoors?
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Ac has won races. Any winner isn't overhyped.

I'd say alessi, has he ever really dominated? Went 1-1 outdoors?
Alessi won the first 2-3 450 nationals in 2009 or 2010 (I cannot remember exactly), all 1-1 on a factory Suzuki.

Then crashed hard and got injured.
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Alessi won the first 2-3 450 nationals in 2009 or 2010 (I cannot remember exactly), all 1-1 on a factory Suzuki. Then crashed hard and got...
Alessi won the first 2-3 450 nationals in 2009 or 2010 (I cannot remember exactly), all 1-1 on a factory Suzuki.

Then crashed hard and got injured.
He won Hangtown and Texas then crashed. RV smashed everyone at the opener at Glen Helen. Maybe the silliest thing Mike ever did was fuck around on that team, he was gelling with it for sure.
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I think Alldredge has just had some bad luck. I think he is ridding as fast as he can but needs to slow it up to get some top finishes and get the ball rolling and he will be good to go. I would hate to see what happen to bell happen to him. Alldredge needs to stay healthy.
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Theres been a few who went straight to factory rides then dissapeared. Izzi and stroupe are the two most people think of in recent times. They...
Theres been a few who went straight to factory rides then dissapeared.
Izzi and stroupe are the two most people think of in recent times. They were derailed by outside influences more than just straight up not being good enough.

The two biggest phenoms that i can think of that havent really produced like expected and are still around are Alessi and Millsaps. There is alot of wins between the two of them and a lites title for millsaps but when you look at the guys that have come up around them with less fan fare and gone on to win multiple big titles, namely RV and Dungey.

I wouldnt call any of these guys failures by any stretch, they just didnt crush the pros in James Stewart style fashion from the get go like many thought.

I agree with this 110%. Izzi was a beast on 85cc and Stroupe beat RV at his first national.

As far as Bell, AC92, and the rookies, the jury is still out.

Alessi had an awesome career. This is his competition: RC, JS7, RV, Canard, Dungey, Roczen, KW...... how many of these riders are headed the HOF?
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rocketsocks26 wrote:
I think AC. And I remember how he use to have a fued with cooper webb, and im sure AC will be great but webb is...
I think AC. And I remember how he use to have a fued with cooper webb, and im sure AC will be great but webb is by far the better of the 2 as of now.
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AC has more wins and podiums as of right now.
Sure about that? Mike Alessi has won both 250F and 450F MX races.

Where AC and Mike Alessi differ, their programs out of AM. If AC92 can stay clear of injuries, he will be a champion. Calling any of these young riders a bust is very premature (stated to anyone who AC92) a bust. Comparing AC and Webb to Alessi and Villopoto is even more comical. AC won his first 250F supercross and won two more before injury. You can bet you ass he was faster before injury this year.

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So basically any year as long as they were hyped up and just didn't perform ?

If you go way back theres a lot..Charley Bogard comes to mind..As a kid he was one of the only ones to ever beat RC4 Straight up...Made young RC cry more then once ..He got 2nd his first sx when he was only 17 and then had a few decent top 10s but after a few injuries and lack of rides he just fell off...They weren't just giving LL winners 3 years on factory teams to get their mojo rolling back then...
So he went from beating the guy who became the goat to someone you probably never heard of....
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Crush wrote:
AC has had bad luck, but he's still only in his 2nd season and has a supercross record of 3/5 and finished 5th despite missing the...
AC has had bad luck, but he's still only in his 2nd season and has a supercross record of 3/5 and finished 5th despite missing the last 3 races.... He'll be fine and it's faaaaaaar too early to say he hasn't lived up to anything.
He always has the option of working at PulpMX! Did you listen to that show? Adam was an awesome host!
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ga_pike wrote:
What about Buddy Antunez? He never quite got that #1 spot in MX or SX and I really expected more from him. Another argument could be...
What about Buddy Antunez? He never quite got that #1 spot in MX or SX and I really expected more from him. Another argument could be made for Damon Bradshaw. I know he won the 125E title in 1989 but with all the hype surrounding him, you would have thought he would have won more titles.
Check his Arenacross titles.
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Ben Riddle. For the record....loved the kids style. Pro rank pressure just seemed to much for him.
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It's tough to say, do you mean in rookie season alone, or along the course of a career? I'm going to go with career.

That makes it way to close to call on guys like Allderidge or even Baggett. But both of them seem to be fine and on the right track. Jeez, Baggett won an outdoor championship and was never super-hyped as an amateur.

When I read this question, the first person I thought of was Stroupe. Wins first moto of first national, and then....well, i don't pretend to know any of these guys, i just know what the results say. And it sucks, because he's an amazing rider. But was he really hyped as the "can't miss" guy coming out of the amateurs, or just a solid rider? Tough call on that one.

I don't think AC was that great his first, partial rookie season but even with his wins last year he has redeemed himself. And more importantly he's on the right track, with the right trainer and in the right company, so I feel that success is inevitable with him.

Mike Alessi podiumed on 450s his rookie year, has 250 and 450 race wins, is known universally as the holeshot king and has gone on to several series podiums since then and a decade of professional racing. It might not be the world domination they hoped for back in 2004, but he has had a MORE than solid career! I don't see him in this category at all.

Bradshaw won races and challenged for titles on 250s. Quit, came back and won again. Plenty solid.

How about this one: conventional wisdom thought James Stewart would win every championship he entered from the day he turned pro until the day he retired. That didn't quite work out, did it? As incredible of a rider as he is, I think everyone (including himself) expected that he would have a lot more wins and titles at this point.

I think it's a testament to the amateur system we have now that this is SUCH a tough question. Generally, when these kids make it to pro, they deliver at least a few wins for at least the first couple of seasons. When you have 20 "can't miss" kids going up against each other... somebody has to miss.
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rocketsocks26 wrote:
I think AC. And I remember how he use to have a fued with cooper webb, and im sure AC will be great but webb is...
I think AC. And I remember how he use to have a fued with cooper webb, and im sure AC will be great but webb is by far the better of the 2 as of now.
Crush wrote:
AC has more wins and podiums as of right now.
bd wrote:
Sure about that? Mike Alessi has won both 250F and 450F MX races. Where AC and Mike Alessi differ, their programs out of AM. If AC92...
Sure about that? Mike Alessi has won both 250F and 450F MX races.

Where AC and Mike Alessi differ, their programs out of AM. If AC92 can stay clear of injuries, he will be a champion. Calling any of these young riders a bust is very premature (stated to anyone who AC92) a bust. Comparing AC and Webb to Alessi and Villopoto is even more comical. AC won his first 250F supercross and won two more before injury. You can bet you ass he was faster before injury this year.
AC currently has a 100% podium and 60% race win rate record in SX. I think that's what Crush was getting at...
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Adam Cianciarulo. Yep. I said it. I know he is the Golden Boy here on Vital, but I truly believe he has not lived up to...
Adam Cianciarulo.


Yep. I said it. I know he is the Golden Boy here on Vital, but I truly believe he has not lived up to his hype.

And NO, I am not discrediting him, the kid is blazing fast and a proven winner - he just can't really live up to the hype while sitting on the couch at home......................................

Let the crucifixion begin.............
The good thing is that AC has plenty of personality and smarts to carry him far beyond dirtbike riding. He might be our new Pastrana....
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I think AC. And I remember how he use to have a fued with cooper webb, and im sure AC will be great but webb is...
I think AC. And I remember how he use to have a fued with cooper webb, and im sure AC will be great but webb is by far the better of the 2 as of now.
how can you compare them NOW when AC isnt racing?

You could compare last season:
AC: 3 wins, 5 podiums in 5 races, worst finish 2nd (other than the race he did injured and DNFed)
Missed 3 races and scored 120 points
Webb: 3 podiums in 9 races, no wins, worst finish 14th, 143 points, 5th overall

I know its different coasts but if youre gonna compare them in supercross thats the only way and theres no way you can say Webb is better richt now (I dont say AC is better either because you just cant tell until he's back racing)
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I know a lot of folks find MA800 an easy target to unload on but truthfully even though there was too much hype when he turned pro I think the stats will show that over his career, so far, there have been more riders finishing behind him than in front of him. I wouldn't consider that not performing.
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Pastrana!
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Pastrana!
BLASPHEMER!

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