Brian Deegan on FIM and JS7

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Zracer 12/17/2014 2:13pm
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Deegans a dumbass. He always has been. WGAF
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mx_563 12/17/2014 2:16pm
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JamesOliver wrote:
It's not a euro sanctioning body, though. It's an international body that covers many world series. Too many people are trying to turn this into America...
It's not a euro sanctioning body, though. It's an international body that covers many world series. Too many people are trying to turn this into America versus Europe.
I agree, sir.

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CoccoBill 12/17/2014 2:18pm
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theToothPerry wrote:
Im gonna go as far to say that if Cairoli tested positive for anything he wouldnt be penalized to this extent.
Sure, if Cairoli tested positive for anything they would penalize RV.
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I left a message for the AMA, Also will no way get another AMA license. They do NOTHING to support riders (unless it's street) How many times have they supported those that loose their rights to ride moto on tracks that are on their own land, This tops it off for me FUCK the FIM and FUCK the AMA for allowing this bullshit

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daveoevo 12/17/2014 2:27pm
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So the beginning of this year they do press releases saying that there are going to be drug tests and there will be penalty's if you fail these tests.
Either Stewarts team is very naive or complacent in the drugs he was using. Every one was warned and the JS7 camp chose to ignore the warning.
Drugs are a serious problem in sport and just because the big money ball sports are happy to gloss over drug abuse as a misdemeanor dose'nt mean that Sx and Mx has to.
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jamma10 12/17/2014 2:28pm
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I left a message for the AMA, Also will no way get another AMA license. They do NOTHING to support riders (unless it's street) How many...
I left a message for the AMA, Also will no way get another AMA license. They do NOTHING to support riders (unless it's street) How many times have they supported those that loose their rights to ride moto on tracks that are on their own land, This tops it off for me FUCK the FIM and FUCK the AMA for allowing this bullshit
Enlighten yourself and take a moment to read Weeges comments about the penalty:

http://racerxonline.com/2014/12/17/rapid-reaxtion-the-james-stewart-situation

Jason Weigandt: In my opinion, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. I know James legitimately failed an anti-doping test, but he wasn't caught with a gnarly PED. It can definitely be argued that an Amphetaime could be beneficial to an athlete, however he now has a Therapeutic Use Exemption in place to legally be allowed to race while using the amphetamine….in the future. The entire penalty, then, comes from James not having that Exemption in place when he was first tested. Yes, he deserves a punishment for that. Sixteen months? That seems harsh.

However, we should have seen this coming. Read this link about Australian road racer Anthony West, who was in a similar situation after failing an anti-doping test. In his case, the FIM only suspended him for one month. The World Anti-Doping Agency didn't agree with the FIM decision and then brought the case to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), asking for West to instead receive a twenty-four-month suspension. The CAS settled on an eighteen-month suspension for West.

Let me put this is simple terms: WADA is gnarly. If you fail their test, you're going to be hit hard. This has nothing to do with James Stewart, his sponsors, or Monster Energy Supercross, Lucas Oil Motocross or anything like that. This is simply what WADA does. Most folks within this sport are saying this sets a precedent, but it does not. WADA already set the precedent via previous decisions in other sports, and they’re just sticking to it here. They’re not looking at supercross any differently than any other sport. In a way, this is actually a good thing, because all along we've heard conspiracy theories floated around saying Stew will be fine because "he has money" or "he helps the promoters sell tickets." WADA does not care about any of that, and after that Anthony West situation, the FIM knows if they don't hand out a harsh penalty, WADA will take them to the Court of Arbitration for Sport and make them do it. There's already been a precedent set here. No one can argue a way around that.
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Mxdnusa 12/17/2014 2:38pm
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Euros steal RV,now they banish James. Time to through the motul into the harbor.
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HenryA 12/17/2014 2:44pm
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Soooo what Deegan really tried to say here is that they gave James a 18 month ban only because FIM is based in europe and that the outcome would be different if they were based in the states.

The fuck?

scott_nz 12/17/2014 3:05pm
12/17/2014 3:05pm
scott_nz wrote:
do you beleive the AMA and USADA would have ignored his PED use?
500guy wrote:
The FIM is as crooked as a dog's hind leg, I think James would have had a better chance at a realistic penalty. Not some BS...
The FIM is as crooked as a dog's hind leg, I think James would have had a better chance at a realistic penalty.

Not some BS 16 months , He didn't rob a bank.
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Finally someone who understands the Fim...Giuseppe Luongo is one of the most shady people in this industry along with a few others over there on the...
Finally someone who understands the Fim...Giuseppe Luongo is one of the most shady people in this industry along with a few others over there on the Fim commission, I guess theres a reason they cant fill in that head spot...
you realise Guiseppe is the promotor of the World MX champs, like DC is of the US Outdoors, and Feld is of the World Supercross,

FIM also has promotors that do World Superbike, and Moto GP,

Also FIm is world wide, incl Asia and Oceania, and we have had Oceania Titles down here in the past,



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Saltybrad 12/17/2014 3:33pm
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What benefit does the FIM bring to US riders? It feels like we have unbluehelmets overseeing our sport.
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daveoevo wrote:
So the beginning of this year they do press releases saying that there are going to be drug tests and there will be penalty's if you...
So the beginning of this year they do press releases saying that there are going to be drug tests and there will be penalty's if you fail these tests.
Either Stewarts team is very naive or complacent in the drugs he was using. Every one was warned and the JS7 camp chose to ignore the warning.
Drugs are a serious problem in sport and just because the big money ball sports are happy to gloss over drug abuse as a misdemeanor dose'nt mean that Sx and Mx has to.
at least someone gets it. there's more to it than this I'm sure but...I can't wait to hear James side of the story, maybe we will get to hear who's really to blame but I doubt it.
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PJ205 12/17/2014 3:51pm
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Im surprised no one has inserted the Deegan locker room salute photo yet Whistling
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jamma10 wrote:
Exactly. If a rider failed a drug test in MotoGP it would be up to the FIM to decide the penalty, likewise Speedway, Trials or Supermoto...
Exactly.

If a rider failed a drug test in MotoGP it would be up to the FIM to decide the penalty, likewise Speedway, Trials or Supermoto World Championships which also involve American riders.

There are even people on Facebook blaming it on Guiseppe Luongo because they don't understand the difference between the FIM and Youthstream.
theToothPerry wrote:
Im gonna go as far to say that if Cairoli tested positive for anything he wouldnt be penalized to this extent.
The thing is though, Cairoli didn't test positive to anything but James did.
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RY4N37 12/17/2014 4:06pm
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If people actually bothered to read the second statement that the FIM released they would see that this was not a decision made by the FIM. The case was given to and handled by an independent panel and they decided having looked at all the evidence and comparing it to the rule book that Stewart had broken the rules sufficiently enough for this length of ban. It's the FIM's job to then enforce that.

People who are saying the ban is too harsh, just think about it for a minute. Don't get too wrapped up in the fact that it says 16 month ban, because it's not really that long. Basically it's an 8 month ban, but he will be stripped of any results he achieved since he failed the drugs test in Seattle. With that said, 8 months is not a big ban for this sort of offence, and is actually pretty consistent with other bans that WADA have given out. There have been football players (proper football, not the crappy handegg shit you play in America where it takes 45 hours to complete a game) that have been banned for 8 months from any football for failing to turn up to a drugs test.

You can blame the FIM all you like, but WADA have done their job. Even if the FIM wasn't the governing body in SX, with WADA involved I think the penalty would've been just the same
motokiwi 12/17/2014 4:06pm
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Only a dumbass will make this into a USA vs Euro debate.

Deegan your grasping at straws, please stick to your knitting, or in your case selling sick skullz to white trash.
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KLM85 12/17/2014 4:07pm
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The penalty is a joke. Fim should stick to running donkey shows. That's where their core competency lies.
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I'm not readying every response but if nobody answered it yet, no I don't believe he can show up and race even if he forfeited the points.

Simple logic is telling me that his SX license is suspended so he can't race. Same reason I can't race, I don't have a Supercross license! Laughing
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RY4N37 12/17/2014 4:10pm
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motokiwi wrote:
Only a dumbass will make this into a USA vs Euro debate. Deegan your grasping at straws, please stick to your knitting, or in your case...
Only a dumbass will make this into a USA vs Euro debate.

Deegan your grasping at straws, please stick to your knitting, or in your case selling sick skullz to white trash.
And Deegan is definitely a dumbass

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hammertime 12/17/2014 4:16pm
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Zracer wrote:
Deegans a dumbass. He always has been. WGAF
you're an idiot!

he's a self made millionaire, lives a healthy lifestyle and is a great dad.

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RY4N37 wrote:
If people actually bothered to read the second statement that the FIM released they would see that this was not a decision made by the FIM...
If people actually bothered to read the second statement that the FIM released they would see that this was not a decision made by the FIM. The case was given to and handled by an independent panel and they decided having looked at all the evidence and comparing it to the rule book that Stewart had broken the rules sufficiently enough for this length of ban. It's the FIM's job to then enforce that.

People who are saying the ban is too harsh, just think about it for a minute. Don't get too wrapped up in the fact that it says 16 month ban, because it's not really that long. Basically it's an 8 month ban, but he will be stripped of any results he achieved since he failed the drugs test in Seattle. With that said, 8 months is not a big ban for this sort of offence, and is actually pretty consistent with other bans that WADA have given out. There have been football players (proper football, not the crappy handegg shit you play in America where it takes 45 hours to complete a game) that have been banned for 8 months from any football for failing to turn up to a drugs test.

You can blame the FIM all you like, but WADA have done their job. Even if the FIM wasn't the governing body in SX, with WADA involved I think the penalty would've been just the same
You mean soccer, where ferries take dives after never being touched.
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RY4N37 12/17/2014 4:21pm
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BobPA wrote:
You mean soccer, where ferries take dives after never being touched.
Ferries? Have to say I've never seen one of those on a football field. I have been on a couple to cross the channel though.

How on earth you can call a sport football when you pick the ball up and run with it is beyond me. But I think we're a little off subject here
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cable 12/17/2014 5:59pm
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what if he did apply for a TUE before the season, and did not receive the TUE until too late?
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cable wrote:
what if he did apply for a TUE before the season, and did not receive the TUE until too late?
He didn't...
One Last Comeback 12/17/2014 6:18pm
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RY4N37 wrote:
If people actually bothered to read the second statement that the FIM released they would see that this was not a decision made by the FIM...
If people actually bothered to read the second statement that the FIM released they would see that this was not a decision made by the FIM. The case was given to and handled by an independent panel and they decided having looked at all the evidence and comparing it to the rule book that Stewart had broken the rules sufficiently enough for this length of ban. It's the FIM's job to then enforce that.

People who are saying the ban is too harsh, just think about it for a minute. Don't get too wrapped up in the fact that it says 16 month ban, because it's not really that long. Basically it's an 8 month ban, but he will be stripped of any results he achieved since he failed the drugs test in Seattle. With that said, 8 months is not a big ban for this sort of offence, and is actually pretty consistent with other bans that WADA have given out. There have been football players (proper football, not the crappy handegg shit you play in America where it takes 45 hours to complete a game) that have been banned for 8 months from any football for failing to turn up to a drugs test.

You can blame the FIM all you like, but WADA have done their job. Even if the FIM wasn't the governing body in SX, with WADA involved I think the penalty would've been just the same
BobPA wrote:
You mean soccer, where ferries take dives after never being touched.
Jesus is this entire sport home-schooled?

FERRY
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Robert_C._Lanier_fer…

FAIRY

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/summer-fairy-1-5748189.jpg
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holeshot413 12/17/2014 7:05pm
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Titan1 wrote:
SX no longer needs the FIM...Feld, the AMA, whomever needs to can them....I agree with Deegan
me too
GoonSquad250x 12/17/2014 7:34pm
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RY4N37 wrote:
If people actually bothered to read the second statement that the FIM released they would see that this was not a decision made by the FIM...
If people actually bothered to read the second statement that the FIM released they would see that this was not a decision made by the FIM. The case was given to and handled by an independent panel and they decided having looked at all the evidence and comparing it to the rule book that Stewart had broken the rules sufficiently enough for this length of ban. It's the FIM's job to then enforce that.

People who are saying the ban is too harsh, just think about it for a minute. Don't get too wrapped up in the fact that it says 16 month ban, because it's not really that long. Basically it's an 8 month ban, but he will be stripped of any results he achieved since he failed the drugs test in Seattle. With that said, 8 months is not a big ban for this sort of offence, and is actually pretty consistent with other bans that WADA have given out. There have been football players (proper football, not the crappy handegg shit you play in America where it takes 45 hours to complete a game) that have been banned for 8 months from any football for failing to turn up to a drugs test.

You can blame the FIM all you like, but WADA have done their job. Even if the FIM wasn't the governing body in SX, with WADA involved I think the penalty would've been just the same
BobPA wrote:
You mean soccer, where ferries take dives after never being touched.
One Last Comeback wrote:
Jesus is this entire sport home-schooled?

FERRY
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Robert_C._Lanier_fer…

FAIRY

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/summer-fairy-1-5748189.jpg
Lmao!!!Laughing Maybe that's why james & his people "made a paperwork error" as so many put it... They were all home schooled & do not have the first clue on how to follow simple, written directions. Grinning
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BobPA wrote:
You mean soccer, where ferries take dives after never being touched.
One Last Comeback wrote:
Jesus is this entire sport home-schooled?

FERRY
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Robert_C._Lanier_fer…

FAIRY

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/summer-fairy-1-5748189.jpg
GoonSquad250x wrote:
Lmao!!!:laugh: Maybe that's why james & his people "made a paperwork error" as so many put it... They were all home schooled & do not have...
Lmao!!!Laughing Maybe that's why james & his people "made a paperwork error" as so many put it... They were all home schooled & do not have the first clue on how to follow simple, written directions. Grinning
hahaha....

guaranty thats the reeson
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MxMickyV 12/17/2014 8:47pm
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There are good points in this post. There are rules that all riders need to follow. If Dungey did some meth and tested positive for it, he would be rolled. James did meth. ( you know what I mean ) Got rolled. punishment is stiff, but I bet he wont do it again. It sucks for Feld, and the AMA that their hands are tied. Some seats will be empty come A1, but not many. Lets not discount the other riders that followed the rules, trained, and are ready to race. I bet KR, RD, Millsaps,Tomac, and the rest feel bad for james. Or not.
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Zracer 12/17/2014 8:59pm
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Zracer wrote:
Deegans a dumbass. He always has been. WGAF
hammertime wrote:
you're an idiot!

he's a self made millionaire, lives a healthy lifestyle and is a great dad.

how you doing?
Im doing pretty damn good. How you doing ?
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hammertime 12/17/2014 9:04pm
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Zracer wrote:
Deegans a dumbass. He always has been. WGAF
hammertime wrote:
you're an idiot!

he's a self made millionaire, lives a healthy lifestyle and is a great dad.

how you doing?
Zracer wrote:
Im doing pretty damn good. How you doing ?
Really well thanks....until the last couple of weeks when my two favorite racers got wiped off the planet!

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