Has anybody actually seen these chinese bikes?

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Racerx930 10/22/2014 5:24pm
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They are sold in the US as the SSR250R. I think they retail for $3600. We sell a lot of SSR stuff and was just kind of curious as well. As soon as we heard rumors about it we talked them into selling us the prototype.

The main issue they are going to have is you can buy a used Jap bike for the price this retails at and have a better motorcycle.
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Racerx930 10/22/2014 5:27pm
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It's worth adding that the box included EVERYTHING to dual sport the bike in the box, I personally believe that is the direction they should focus on when selling these bikes.
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smrscott 10/22/2014 5:39pm
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COPY OF A COPY ??????? This is what happens

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I read the Pingree article, I was laughing out loud in a public library. Thanks Ping, IMO the best piece of moto literature ever written.

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Brent 10/22/2014 7:29pm
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Look for them next month at Harbor Freight...

That ad says they can produce 5000 per month? Damn...
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Skerby wrote:
I read the Pingree article, I was laughing out loud in a public library. Thanks Ping, IMO the best piece of moto literature ever written.
link ??
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BevoDave 10/22/2014 11:13pm
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philG wrote:
chinese stuff is always copies, they reverse engineer everything they can , and guess the rest... piss poor materials and everything ... just made of cheese.
This is why I love the Germans. They appreciate quality and are not into sacrificing performance to save money.

Fuck China! Just a bunch of copied, cheap junk.
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Ross_McWatters 10/23/2014 12:12am
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mmain62 wrote:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/best-quality-dirt-bike-450cc_6000…



Seems like they bought the plans off of suzuki for the 07-08 rmz.
We have one brave importer here that sells a CRF450X copy called the Odes MCF450 and has works really hard to legitimize the China bike thing. We tested the bike for ADB magazine a few years ago and caused a bit of grief for the advertising dept by saying the think handled like a 1973 Datsun 120Y with four blown shocks....(in the USA I believe the car was called B-210) The local importer has spent a bunch of time and effort even modifying the bike here with some Gen Honda parts. We even tested one fitted with 2009 CRF450 fork, shock Carby and exhaust. for a general trail rider at novice level it wasnt a bad thing but a modern MX bike it wasn't. just too heavy ( the forks internals were all steel copys of the @2007 47mm Showa CRF fork).

I told the guy to go back to them and get them to build some copys of YZ490/cr500/cr250 two strokes with modern body work and brakes etc and those mite sell for @ $3-4000 ....
http://www.pitpro.com.au/pitbikes/odes-mcf450-r-1112/
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Gazza 10/23/2014 12:50am
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Having spent 2 years working in the Chinese MX industry, most of these bikes are absolutely horrible! There are copies of the big 5 really, I can remember a KTM copy that actually looked semi decent. Most are air cooled, some even have dummy radiators just to complete the illusion of being a decent bike.

The biggest problem is quality control, I remember spending time with some Shineray engineers at their factory, not only was there max power figure woefully bad, they commented that off the line engine power varied by around 5kW!!! It doesn't matter how well a bike is designed, if your workforce doesn't buy in to what you are making and are only getting paid enough to eat rice for lunch, you're not going to get a good product!

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Honda has been getting stuff built there years, as would the other brands.
http://world.honda.com/news/2005/c050411.html

All the CRF minibike range is built there now, except the CRF150R.
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jeffro503 wrote:
One thing though....China may take a while to catch up , but in inevitable that they will get it right sooner or later. 40yrs ago...
One thing though....China may take a while to catch up , but in inevitable that they will get it right sooner or later. 40yrs ago , nobody thought the Jap bikes would be worth it either.
Never going to happen. The variable here are the people themselves, and the Chinese are not the Japanese, not by a LONG SHOT.
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Looks like every year they are getting a tad, better--at least from the looks of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YSNjmGx730

This looks like their newest version of the CR/KTM copy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5riQVGbvENw

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crossfire-CFR250-250cc-MX-Motorbike-Chinese-rep…

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Jeff Willoh races one in socal.
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The Japanese way is to make a product the best, regardless of how much effort is required. They commit suicide out of shame when business goes wrong. The chinese way is to steal, copy, and cut as many corners as possible. China will never catch the Japanese, they have no chance.
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Eddie_E 5/1/2016 7:03am
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If any of you guys saw a Japanese car from 1980, you wouldn't even get in out of fear of it falling apart while driving. I've driven them all and they were sketchy. Now I own a Camry with 190K miles on it and drives like new, even after towing my trailer with 2 bikes on it. Things change over time.
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gsxr6 5/1/2016 7:34am
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Anyone who drove a 79 accord instead of a pinto or Vega felt much safer I assure u.

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Or an 80s Dodge k car? Compared to a Nissan or Honda of the time it was no comparison. Why do u think they grabbed so much market share? A Toyota pickup with a 22r was night and day better than any ranger/s10 of the early to middles 80s. In every way. How many s10s from the eighties still around? Cuz I see the Marty mcfly yotas everywhere
GeorgiePorgie 5/1/2016 8:42am
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Eddie_E wrote:
If any of you guys saw a Japanese car from 1980, you wouldn't even get in out of fear of it falling apart while driving. I've...
If any of you guys saw a Japanese car from 1980, you wouldn't even get in out of fear of it falling apart while driving. I've driven them all and they were sketchy. Now I own a Camry with 190K miles on it and drives like new, even after towing my trailer with 2 bikes on it. Things change over time.
Yep. Got a 03 Lexus es300 with 276,000. Not a dashboard light on. Makes the 70 mile round trip to work everyday. Doesn't cost me a dime.

The Japanese get it right. I wouldn't even throw my leg over a China bike. Thing would probably break In Half and cripple me.
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MiSledder 5/1/2016 11:30am
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I wish for once America would unit and not purchase a copied product from the chinese
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abn166 5/1/2016 1:21pm
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The Chinese do get some things right. My wife is Chinese, lived in China until she was 33. She is far better than the American made wife she replaced.
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Eddie_E 5/1/2016 2:43pm
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gsxr6 wrote:
Anyone who drove a 79 accord instead of a pinto or Vega felt much safer I assure u.
I actually had a 72 Vega for a while. It got 30 miles per gallon........of oil. At least we never had mosquitos in my neighborhood.
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coolhand 5/1/2016 3:37pm
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Try some Chinese ammo...fun shit

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