Odds do not look good for Stew...

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Grieby54 wrote:
It's hard to argue that, but I'm not a fan of someone who doesn't understand the sport trying to make decisions for us. Is it an...
It's hard to argue that, but I'm not a fan of someone who doesn't understand the sport trying to make decisions for us.

Is it an ADD medicine that makes James scrub so hard? Maybe it's the medicine that allows him to charge through braking bumps. Is it ADD medicine that allows him to see different rhythms than anyone else? I get that he should have had his paperwork in, and he should definitely get a fine for not doing so, but to think that something so stupid could end his career? That's letting the tail wag the dog here.
Again.

That has nothing to do with anything.

It's a banned substance.

Get the paper work done or fall on your sword. (OR don't, MX doesn't do anything, and looks like a clown show)
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Bit of a conundrum for MX Sports: they announce drug testing to "level the playing field", then their most prized participant tests positive for a banned substance in another series. Allowing Stewart to line up at Muddy Creek turns a blind eye to an evolving event and somewhat undermines the "spirit" of their original intent. The essence of "damned if you do, damned if you don't".
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Nobody knows anything. That is all.
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Again. That has nothing to do with anything. It's a banned substance. Get the paper work done or fall on your sword. (OR don't, MX doesn't...
Again.

That has nothing to do with anything.

It's a banned substance.

Get the paper work done or fall on your sword. (OR don't, MX doesn't do anything, and looks like a clown show)
So if milk were a banned substance and James drank it and test positive, you'd like to see him run off from the sport that he's done so much for just because he used the banned substance? If so, that's a damn shame.

I understand that it's banned - I don't think you'll see me argue that in my post above. What I'm saying is we're letting the tail wag the dog - this is all ass backwards. Stewart got as much of an advantage from ADD meds as he would from a glass of milk and here we are talking about how it might be the end of his career because someone put it down on a sheet of paper as banned.

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6/26/2014 7:35am Edited Date/Time 6/26/2014 7:36am
That's your personal opinion.

Doctors much smarter than anyone on this board have uniformly decided that is an advantage, and made it part of the rules.

Which were broken, and what's worse we're expected to believe that the method for being able to take it was not even considered.

I honestly don't care if it's James or anyone else, it'll just look fucking retarded if they test an athlete positive for a banned substance, there is no mitigating circumstances (TUE) and they let him off.

Regarding his career–Yep. I agree. It sux. Would have been pretty easy to avoid tho–Probably the most important part.

If it's true and If I was James I'd be kicking myself in the nuts and firing everyone around me who isn't family.
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Crush wrote:
Again. That has nothing to do with anything. It's a banned substance. Get the paper work done or fall on your sword. (OR don't, MX doesn't...
Again.

That has nothing to do with anything.

It's a banned substance.

Get the paper work done or fall on your sword. (OR don't, MX doesn't do anything, and looks like a clown show)
Grieby54 wrote:
So if milk were a banned substance and James drank it and test positive, you'd like to see him run off from the sport that he's...
So if milk were a banned substance and James drank it and test positive, you'd like to see him run off from the sport that he's done so much for just because he used the banned substance? If so, that's a damn shame.

I understand that it's banned - I don't think you'll see me argue that in my post above. What I'm saying is we're letting the tail wag the dog - this is all ass backwards. Stewart got as much of an advantage from ADD meds as he would from a glass of milk and here we are talking about how it might be the end of his career because someone put it down on a sheet of paper as banned.
He failed the test. So choose one...

A) apply the rules or
Cool stop testing

I'm OK with either as both equate to a level playing field. What I'm not OK with is selectively applying the rules based on your name/team/sponsors/fanbase etc.

I really hope they nail this shit early, we all knew it was there and now we have a chance to stop this sport turning into a farce like cycling did. I'll always ride, but my interest in watching the top echelons of the sport in the US will end if this stuff is swept under the carpet.
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6/26/2014 7:56am Edited Date/Time 6/26/2014 9:08am
Crush wrote:
Again. That has nothing to do with anything. It's a banned substance. Get the paper work done or fall on your sword. (OR don't, MX doesn't...
Again.

That has nothing to do with anything.

It's a banned substance.

Get the paper work done or fall on your sword. (OR don't, MX doesn't do anything, and looks like a clown show)
Grieby54 wrote:
So if milk were a banned substance and James drank it and test positive, you'd like to see him run off from the sport that he's...
So if milk were a banned substance and James drank it and test positive, you'd like to see him run off from the sport that he's done so much for just because he used the banned substance? If so, that's a damn shame.

I understand that it's banned - I don't think you'll see me argue that in my post above. What I'm saying is we're letting the tail wag the dog - this is all ass backwards. Stewart got as much of an advantage from ADD meds as he would from a glass of milk and here we are talking about how it might be the end of his career because someone put it down on a sheet of paper as banned.
If milk is on the banned substance list and the rider doesn't agree that it should be (this is such a damn reach I can't even believe I'm giving it the time of day), then he should fight it before he lines up to race again. If you don't fight it and just line up like everything is business as usual, than you have 4 choices: 1) don't drink milk 2) apply for a TUE for your milk consumption 3) drink milk anyways and fail the test or 4) take your ball and go home. You can't agree to a rule and then blame the rule (keep in mind, we don't know what james thinks of the rule so I'm not pointing a finger at him).
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You guys are assuming he will test positive at Lakewood? Hmmmm.....just maybe he went thru the right channels and got a TUE for the outdoors ;)...
You guys are assuming he will test positive at Lakewood? Hmmmm.....just maybe he went thru the right channels and got a TUE for the outdoors Wink Who said he didn't?
Thats what I'm wondering too. Maybe James has known the results of his Seattle test for some time now and went the proper route for the Nationals and filed his TUE.

Probably not though.
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6/26/2014 7:59am Edited Date/Time 6/26/2014 8:01am
Crush wrote:
Again. That has nothing to do with anything. It's a banned substance. Get the paper work done or fall on your sword. (OR don't, MX doesn't...
Again.

That has nothing to do with anything.

It's a banned substance.

Get the paper work done or fall on your sword. (OR don't, MX doesn't do anything, and looks like a clown show)
Grieby54 wrote:
So if milk were a banned substance and James drank it and test positive, you'd like to see him run off from the sport that he's...
So if milk were a banned substance and James drank it and test positive, you'd like to see him run off from the sport that he's done so much for just because he used the banned substance? If so, that's a damn shame.

I understand that it's banned - I don't think you'll see me argue that in my post above. What I'm saying is we're letting the tail wag the dog - this is all ass backwards. Stewart got as much of an advantage from ADD meds as he would from a glass of milk and here we are talking about how it might be the end of his career because someone put it down on a sheet of paper as banned.
I know several people who are currently using Adderall (sp?) as part of their daily treatment for ADD/ADHD... being the few in my workplace that have made it public for whatever reason. Some are in their 20's...some in their 50's, and just started taking it in the last year. Every one of them that I have had a chance to talk to says that it's not an advantage to them in any way as such...but it just makes them feel "normal", and able to focus and keep their minds on things they are doing like people without their disorder are able to do without any form of medication. They felt almost manic and scatterbrained before, but with the correct medication they feel on par with what they see in others.

I'm not preaching to "Let Stewey Go" or anything. If he knowingly cheated by willingly ingesting a banned substance, then that sucks...but he broke the rules. If he took the medication as a daily treatment for a disorder, and he was not aware for some reason...then I believe some mercy should be given. I don't think Stewart should be run up the flagpole as some sort of example or something.

That's my opinion as a fan of the sport, and a huge fan of the rider who has made such a gigantic impact on the sport and way riders ride today. But...like I posted earlier, nobody (including me) knows anything. I just hope when the smoke of all this crap clears that equally clear heads prevail.
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I'm sorry but I can't believe the riders on here claiming that their Adderal prescription makes them slower, is somehow an example that could translate to JS7. There is absolutely no way a multi-million dollar athlete would willingly take something to slow him down. I imagine since JS follows other professional sports, Adderal was/is the wiz-bang fad drug. Do you guys really believe that if James has legitimate ADHD, he would take a drug that not only doesn't enhance performance, but makes him slower? He went all those years blazing fast, capable of concentrating for 24 straight moto wins 5 years ago, and now suddenly he needs meds that slow him down to keep his mind straight? Come on.
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I'm sorry but I can't believe the riders on here claiming that their Adderal prescription makes them slower, is somehow an example that could translate to...
I'm sorry but I can't believe the riders on here claiming that their Adderal prescription makes them slower, is somehow an example that could translate to JS7. There is absolutely no way a multi-million dollar athlete would willingly take something to slow him down. I imagine since JS follows other professional sports, Adderal was/is the wiz-bang fad drug. Do you guys really believe that if James has legitimate ADHD, he would take a drug that not only doesn't enhance performance, but makes him slower? He went all those years blazing fast, capable of concentrating for 24 straight moto wins 5 years ago, and now suddenly he needs meds that slow him down to keep his mind straight? Come on.
2008 ,24-0, 6 years ago, last title 2009. , dudes a bad ass on a bike, no excuses for breaking the rules. Sometimes ya get caught sometimes ya dont, only the man in the mirror knows and has to pay the penalty.
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I'm just going to sit back and wait for the results and the PR. Discussing what the FIM , Wada / James ....ect.....should do....is a moot point.

I wish that dude the best and hope thing fall in his favor. It's going to really suck if we lose him to some bullshit like this. But I understand how the rules work.......so lets just hope they weren't broken as bad as some may think.
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If he legitimately has ADD or ADHD then I do not think it is an advantage. Insulin is one of the most anabolic hormones in the body and a lot of strength athletes use it with amazing results. Do you think a diabetic who must take insulin has a performance advantage?
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I just think when you've been at the top and start slipping down, you start looking for any reason why. ADD could be a good explanation for some of his errors. I just don't believe that at age 27-28 he suddenly needs a medication that has been proven to be a PED in other sports to function "normally" again. I also don't believe its possible that Adderal could make him slower. If that's the case, a top-level athlete finds another med or goes oversees for treatment.
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I'm just going to sit back and wait for the results and the PR. Discussing what the FIM , Wada / James ....ect.....should do....is a moot...
I'm just going to sit back and wait for the results and the PR. Discussing what the FIM , Wada / James ....ect.....should do....is a moot point.

I wish that dude the best and hope thing fall in his favor. It's going to really suck if we lose him to some bullshit like this. But I understand how the rules work.......so lets just hope they weren't broken as bad as some may think.
Damn, Jeff...is that you, being calm & logical? You're getting old. Grinning
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jeffro503 wrote:
I'm just going to sit back and wait for the results and the PR. Discussing what the FIM , Wada / James ....ect.....should do....is a moot...
I'm just going to sit back and wait for the results and the PR. Discussing what the FIM , Wada / James ....ect.....should do....is a moot point.

I wish that dude the best and hope thing fall in his favor. It's going to really suck if we lose him to some bullshit like this. But I understand how the rules work.......so lets just hope they weren't broken as bad as some may think.
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Damn, Jeff...is that you, being calm & logical? You're getting old. Grinning
I got a re-fill on my meds! Haha.......ran low there for a while and the world was paying for it. Woohoo
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It doesn't matter if it's " not an advantage."

It doesn't matter what "he's done for the sport."

It doesn't matter if not ever rider is tested as of now.

It doesn't matter who administers the test.

It doesn't matter if it was "a mistake."

It doesn't matter if he says he's sorry [or not].

It doesn't matter if he "didn't know the rules."



The rule is clear.

He failed.


Props to JS for not whining so far. Fans should follow his lead.


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Scottish Slalom Skier Alain Baxter was stripped of a Bronze medal at the Salt Lake Olympics and was banned for three months for using a Vicks...
Scottish Slalom Skier Alain Baxter was stripped of a Bronze medal at the Salt Lake Olympics and was banned for three months for using a Vicks inhaler to treat a cold.
And that is going overboard. I think that anyone in their right mind would agree on that.


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You guys are assuming he will test positive at Lakewood? Hmmmm.....just maybe he went thru the right channels and got a TUE for the outdoors ;)...
You guys are assuming he will test positive at Lakewood? Hmmmm.....just maybe he went thru the right channels and got a TUE for the outdoors Wink Who said he didn't?
Oh shi.......cat's out the bag!


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If I knew I was going to have my ducks aligned and had the necessary actions to get approval, then I probably wouldn't have my B sample tested.

You know, since I don't have anything to hide, why would I want to rely on a B sample test?
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6/26/2014 10:04am Edited Date/Time 6/26/2014 10:04am
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Yeah because the MX and SX governing bodies have got so many runs on the board for making AWESOME decisions. Fuck, at this rate I'd let...
Yeah because the MX and SX governing bodies have got so many runs on the board for making AWESOME decisions.

Fuck, at this rate I'd let WADA run the sound tests!
So you're saying maybe the WADA will up the displacement of 2-strokes? Hmmmm
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If I knew I was going to have my ducks aligned and had the necessary actions to get approval, then I probably wouldn't have my B...
If I knew I was going to have my ducks aligned and had the necessary actions to get approval, then I probably wouldn't have my B sample tested.

You know, since I don't have anything to hide, why would I want to rely on a B sample test?
Who says that he is??? It doesn't seem like Suz. or James is disputing that he took something that is on the banned list.

Here is the issue. It's not really about Adderall being a banned substance, it's about getting the exemption or not. How can you say "he's a cheater" when what he took is allowed as long as you have a "doctors note"??? It's about following procedure and it looks like the ball may have been dropped in the process. Neither James or Suz is trying to hide the fact that James was taking something to treat a condition.


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6/26/2014 10:12am
35smom wrote:
You guys are assuming he will test positive at Lakewood? Hmmmm.....just maybe he went thru the right channels and got a TUE for the outdoors ;)...
You guys are assuming he will test positive at Lakewood? Hmmmm.....just maybe he went thru the right channels and got a TUE for the outdoors Wink Who said he didn't?
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Oh shi.......cat's out the bag!


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I picked up on that too....
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6/26/2014 10:15am Edited Date/Time 6/26/2014 10:17am
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Who says that he is??? It doesn't seem like Suz. or James is disputing that he took something that is on the banned list. Here is...
Who says that he is??? It doesn't seem like Suz. or James is disputing that he took something that is on the banned list.

Here is the issue. It's not really about Adderall being a banned substance, it's about getting the exemption or not. How can you say "he's a cheater" when what he took is allowed as long as you have a "doctors note"??? It's about following procedure and it looks like the ball may have been dropped in the process. Neither James or Suz is trying to hide the fact that James was taking something to treat a condition.


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Exactly, so testing his B sample is for hoping nothing will show up in it.

If you admit there were amphetamines, then why request another test?

Looks like they're looking for all forms of an out to me.

RX said he was going to get his B sample tested.
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6/26/2014 10:23am Edited Date/Time 6/26/2014 10:31am
35smom wrote:
You guys are assuming he will test positive at Lakewood? Hmmmm.....just maybe he went thru the right channels and got a TUE for the outdoors ;)...
You guys are assuming he will test positive at Lakewood? Hmmmm.....just maybe he went thru the right channels and got a TUE for the outdoors Wink Who said he didn't?
Davey Coombs eluded to the fact that he didn't in the latest Racerhead.

My question is what happens if the sample B tests negative and the Lakewood tests are negative??? The Internets may explode! HAHAHAHAHA
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This is what I think about all these Stewart threads..



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I can only speak to what I have seen with my own eyes. Uncontrollable kids...really hyper kids that were prescribed meds were able to focus., listen., join in group activities and generally behave like normal kids. Basically...SLOW DOWN. Don't read into my statement that I believe a script is the be all/end all or there aren't side effects. Yes it's over and wrongly prescribed too much...blah blah blah. My point was that I have SEEN the drug slow people down enough to live a more normal life. Does any of this apply to James...who knows.
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6/26/2014 10:58am Edited Date/Time 6/26/2014 11:00am
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It doesn't matter if it's " not an advantage." It doesn't matter what "he's done for the sport." It doesn't matter if not ever rider is...
It doesn't matter if it's " not an advantage."

It doesn't matter what "he's done for the sport."

It doesn't matter if not ever rider is tested as of now.

It doesn't matter who administers the test.

It doesn't matter if it was "a mistake."

It doesn't matter if he says he's sorry [or not].

It doesn't matter if he "didn't know the rules."



The rule is clear.

He failed.


Props to JS for not whining so far. Fans should follow his lead.


Classic. You better pray you don't ever break the law (on purpose, or by mistake...it doeesn't matter!) and hope the judge has some mercy on you. Whistling
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6/26/2014 11:21am Edited Date/Time 6/26/2014 11:25am
35smom wrote:
You guys are assuming he will test positive at Lakewood? Hmmmm.....just maybe he went thru the right channels and got a TUE for the outdoors ;)...
You guys are assuming he will test positive at Lakewood? Hmmmm.....just maybe he went thru the right channels and got a TUE for the outdoors Wink Who said he didn't?
P wrote:
Oh shi.......cat's out the bag!


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Not sure it even matters at this point, he failed the test and has admitted the drug was there and had no TUE. Show me where the Usada has not honored a Wada test result? SX and MX will have to honor the result.

The sport wanted Usada and Wada testing the athletes of this sport to add credibility and remove any hint of preferential treatment that could take place in small sport politics. Thus they said if you find one of our guys testing positive we will abide by your ruling on the penalty.

Doesn't matter if he is racing MX or SX his results will reflect his suspension from a failed test in either one. So if he races this weekend it maybe for nothing. Only way this isn't reflected in James record is if Feld and MX sports tell Usada/Wada we do not want you testing any longer and you will have no further part in our sports. Thus loosing all the credibility they wanted by having them in the first place, proving we are not ready for the big time.
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Go and look what these wada people did to Lance Armstrong. That guy was biggest hero in the world of sports and they hunted him down. Like Jason Weigandt said, you can't push these wada guys around. All they care is their antidopping work, and for them it's a fucking joke if somebody tells them this is just paperwork not done properly. James is in big trouble.

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