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DownSouth 5/25/2014 1:41pm
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Remember ... CP is not going to ride over his head and risk a serious injury. He has stated that. I think this first round back...
Remember ... CP is not going to ride over his head and risk a serious injury. He has stated that.

I think this first round back allowed him to gauge the competition ( who are mostly new to him ) and learn the new bike. He will adjust and quickly learn who the top guys are and how they ride. Does anyone know if he has done any serious racing since we last saw him in the GP series?

Also, being Glen Helen with those horsepower hills, who knows if his motor was on par with Geico or PC. He looked OK drag racing the others up the hills but its a new bike / team with zero setup history to fall back on. I would give him another round or two to adjust bike setup and his own fitness. I'd say it was a decent result although he got a gift in moto 2 with Wilson and Anderson hitting the deck.

Mattis - when watching CP watch his line choices. He will take lines no one else tries and has the technique to make them work. I didn't see him doing that much with line choices at GH but let him get more comfortable and then we should see it. Also, he rides very calm on the bike and you won't see the big effort of muscling the bike that you see on some of the other top guys. He really is very Bayle-like.
Valli is supposed to have full factory Yamaha 250's for CP just like Star racing who went 1-2 yesterday so I would guess the bike is plenty capable.
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Fat Fingers 5/25/2014 2:06pm
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1st race back, gnarliest track in the series, I think he did ok.
louis.bernard.564 5/25/2014 2:07pm
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I wouldn't say it was a 'steady' first round for Musquin, he was waaaaay off the pace! He finished a minute back in the first moto...
I wouldn't say it was a 'steady' first round for Musquin, he was waaaaay off the pace! He finished a minute back in the first moto and almost a minute and a half behined in the 2nd moto.

He has a lot of catching up to do.
Yup, surprising results overall. Amazing ride from the Yamaha young guns & Anderson. For Musquin, lack of racing for sure but I heard he also popped his shoulder in practice... As someone mentioned, you can't win at the first round (...), so far I really do not know how the season will go for Musquin (shoulder), Wilson (leg) & Osborne (collarbone), 3 guys that are expected to be in the top 5-7. I have been really scared by Wilson, when asterisk moved his legs for him... The track was probably rougher then it looked on tv, with shadow, sun, etc.
louis.bernard.564 5/25/2014 2:46pm
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Remember ... CP is not going to ride over his head and risk a serious injury. He has stated that. I think this first round back...
Remember ... CP is not going to ride over his head and risk a serious injury. He has stated that.

I think this first round back allowed him to gauge the competition ( who are mostly new to him ) and learn the new bike. He will adjust and quickly learn who the top guys are and how they ride. Does anyone know if he has done any serious racing since we last saw him in the GP series?

Also, being Glen Helen with those horsepower hills, who knows if his motor was on par with Geico or PC. He looked OK drag racing the others up the hills but its a new bike / team with zero setup history to fall back on. I would give him another round or two to adjust bike setup and his own fitness. I'd say it was a decent result although he got a gift in moto 2 with Wilson and Anderson hitting the deck.

Mattis - when watching CP watch his line choices. He will take lines no one else tries and has the technique to make them work. I didn't see him doing that much with line choices at GH but let him get more comfortable and then we should see it. Also, he rides very calm on the bike and you won't see the big effort of muscling the bike that you see on some of the other top guys. He really is very Bayle-like.
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Valli is supposed to have full factory Yamaha 250's for CP just like Star racing who went 1-2 yesterday so I would guess the bike is...
Valli is supposed to have full factory Yamaha 250's for CP just like Star racing who went 1-2 yesterday so I would guess the bike is plenty capable.
True, initially I told myself the same and I fully agree that CP was a tone under; it is a great come back but at the same time it may be less flamboyant than expected, as well as for the big 4, but based on the starts they may, or may not as CP has not been on a grid for a long time, have micro tiny adjustments to make. It is only the first race so it is not robust statistics, but on the 3 starts, star racing went 2-4, 1-2, 1-5, vs. CP 7/10, ?, then 5/6 for 3 in the first lap, whereas CP is usually a great starter, one of his key assets to win motos(heats)/overall(event)/titles. Of course a top 5-top 8 start is not a bad start and as proved by Anderson it is possible to make charges (even more by the chupacubra!), but it makes life easier with a top 3 start, plus it shows how much power you have which of course helps during the race. In all cases, nothing really to worry about, it is only the first race, other brands may change a few things too, but this Yami effort looks great, they have the proof now that they are capable to run upfront again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzDaujVLhrA

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mxjon454 5/25/2014 3:11pm
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He did good for his first race back in a long time. And those yamis looked good. I've never been a yamaha guy, never rode one only suzukis and kawis. But man those yamahas looked awesome out there
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Teej317 5/25/2014 4:37pm
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I think he'll start to shine through after a few rounds. His style is cool to watch. There was that double that all the guys (250s and 450s) were stretching out to get over the lip of it. In the first motos it wasn't really an issue, but in the second motos you can see the guys bouncing off the top of the landing. I would imagine you'd have to tense up every lap and that would only expend more energy. If you notice, Pourcel was rolling that double and then cutting to the inside. It really didn't appear that much slower and he wouldn't have to deal with that harsh impact lap after lap. It's the little things...
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jeffro503 5/25/2014 4:47pm
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davistld01 wrote:
With all the hype surrounding the almighty return of Christolphe Pourcel to American motocross...he didn't impress much. Wonder if it was the bike, the track...he just...
With all the hype surrounding the almighty return of Christolphe Pourcel to American motocross...he didn't impress much. Wonder if it was the bike, the track...he just wasn't "feelin it" or what?
I disagree. He didn't get much hype at all....in fact up until about 2 weeks ago not many had even seen him ride.

I say give him a little time to get back in the groove and I think he'll be just fine.
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burn1986 5/25/2014 4:50pm
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CP did good at this one. It's gonna take maybe. 3 or 4 races for him to see where he's at.
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davistld01 wrote:
With all the hype surrounding the almighty return of Christolphe Pourcel to American motocross...he didn't impress much. Wonder if it was the bike, the track...he just...
With all the hype surrounding the almighty return of Christolphe Pourcel to American motocross...he didn't impress much. Wonder if it was the bike, the track...he just wasn't "feelin it" or what?
Sorry..but IMO your opinion is what I would expect from someone who just started following moto...first race back in how long?? I think he did much better than anyone else in his situation. Guarantee he will be up front all year and likely won an overall..
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mjskier 5/25/2014 6:08pm
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I can't believe how slow he looks on camera. Like he is just cruising around. And yet he kept Baggett behind in moto 1.
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davistld01 5/25/2014 6:18pm
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With all the hype surrounding the almighty return of Christolphe Pourcel to American motocross...he didn't impress much. Wonder if it was the bike, the track...he just...
With all the hype surrounding the almighty return of Christolphe Pourcel to American motocross...he didn't impress much. Wonder if it was the bike, the track...he just wasn't "feelin it" or what?
Brad460 wrote:
Sorry..but IMO your opinion is what I would expect from someone who just started following moto...first race back in how long?? I think he did much...
Sorry..but IMO your opinion is what I would expect from someone who just started following moto...first race back in how long?? I think he did much better than anyone else in his situation. Guarantee he will be up front all year and likely won an overall..
I'm interested in why you think I'm somebody who just started following moto.

If I hurt your feelings, just say so.
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GuyB wrote:
I thought he looked good, was fast (fastest in practice) and was racing around Blake Baggett at times.
oshow wrote:
Me too, I think he did great for his first race back.

But let the haters hate... They know everything anyway.
tireguy111 wrote:
What did the announcers say? you cannot win the championship at the first race, but you can lose it....I don't like him, but he rode smart...
What did the announcers say? you cannot win the championship at the first race, but you can lose it....I don't like him, but he rode smart and stayed healthy....
Yes, that's pretty much how he always rides.

I'm interested , Chris wouldn't be but why don't you like him?

Do you at least appreciate his style?
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Brad460 5/25/2014 7:28pm
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davistld01 wrote:
With all the hype surrounding the almighty return of Christolphe Pourcel to American motocross...he didn't impress much. Wonder if it was the bike, the track...he just...
With all the hype surrounding the almighty return of Christolphe Pourcel to American motocross...he didn't impress much. Wonder if it was the bike, the track...he just wasn't "feelin it" or what?
Brad460 wrote:
Sorry..but IMO your opinion is what I would expect from someone who just started following moto...first race back in how long?? I think he did much...
Sorry..but IMO your opinion is what I would expect from someone who just started following moto...first race back in how long?? I think he did much better than anyone else in his situation. Guarantee he will be up front all year and likely won an overall..
davistld01 wrote:
I'm interested in why you think I'm somebody who just started following moto.

If I hurt your feelings, just say so.
You are so eager to respond back to anyone who quotes you that you don't comprehend the post..I never said YOU are someone who just started following moto...what I did say is your comment sounds like it's coming from someone who just started following moto..the guy hasn't raced since..what..2012? Comes out and sets the fastest qualifying time and places 5th overall...seems good to me.

And, what's with all you folks talking about feelings- you sound like a chic ..
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the_wood109 5/25/2014 8:21pm
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mjskier wrote:
I can't believe how slow he looks on camera. Like he is just cruising around. And yet he kept Baggett behind in moto 1.
He really did look much slower than he was. That's the beauty of his style.
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mxnick 5/25/2014 10:55pm
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Chris had the fastest qualifying time. That alone is pretty bad ass!

The kid has not raced since the Paris Supercross in 2012, and where he got hurt.

I think his results are pretty darn good given the circumstances of time.

Being off the race track for 18+ months and coming back to run 30 +2 is not easy.

The championship is not won at round one, but it is certainly lost...
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APLMAN99 5/25/2014 11:26pm
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ARK TOKEN wrote:
why didnt he take a parade lap and on a day like today is that little fan he has on his handlebars really helping that much...
why didnt he take a parade lap and on a day like today is that little fan he has on his handlebars really helping that much with cooling him down?
Forza wrote:
Do umbrellas really help that much? No. But they are nice.
I haven't watched it yet, but anything he can do to cool his body down even a tiny bit would be beneficial. Pretty sure he lost his cooling system (sweat) after his spinal injury.
jake_ktm100 5/26/2014 12:36am
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isnt the saying you cant win a championship in the first race but you can lose one? i mean look at dean wilson for example.. i expected exactly that sort of ride out of cp
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themrtoad 5/26/2014 6:45am
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I think he did okay. He's top 5 at the end of the day and he is fit for next round. If you are top 5 you are at least worthy of your spot, right?

But what about Jeremy Martin? What a ride. I am super surprised by his performance and the way he did it.
Is he that fast or did he just have one of those days where everything clicked? Can he do it again? Is he just as fast in the sand?

In my opinion that was just as impressive as what Eli Tomac and BB4 did previous years in mx2. Maybe America has something for Herlings in Kegums after all, or maybe it was just an one hit wonder.

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ARK TOKEN wrote:
why didnt he take a parade lap and on a day like today is that little fan he has on his handlebars really helping that much...
why didnt he take a parade lap and on a day like today is that little fan he has on his handlebars really helping that much with cooling him down?
Forza wrote:
Do umbrellas really help that much? No. But they are nice.
APLMAN99 wrote:
I haven't watched it yet, but anything he can do to cool his body down even a tiny bit would be beneficial. Pretty sure he lost...
I haven't watched it yet, but anything he can do to cool his body down even a tiny bit would be beneficial. Pretty sure he lost his cooling system (sweat) after his spinal injury.
think he did great coming back an scrapping with guys that have been racing all year, fastest overall in practice, fluke, don't think so. the fan on the handlebars 2nd moto w 73 degree weather concerns me, what happens when it gets hot?? wish him all the best, looked good and hope after a few more hes on the podium!!
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OldTiddler 5/26/2014 7:16am
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The guy comes back after being out of it, and onto new team/bike and in the first round gets in the top 10, that is great in my book. I believe after some battling in the first moto he beat Baggett.

Maybe he doesn't have his setup or a full 30 min of race winning speed and craft at the moment, but even if not, he may not be that far off.

I'm looking forward to see how it plays out.
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Flip109 5/26/2014 8:24am
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I think he did great for his first race. I'm excited he's in the series and love watching him ride. I hope he gets some wins soon
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KlootZak 5/26/2014 8:29am
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It seemed to me like he was holding back a bit. Maybe he rode at 85% of his capabilities and had some in reserve. I was a bit disappointed that he let Cole Seely pass in the end of the second moto but he probably didn't want to crash (as some where doing) and just put the bike "home". Demonstrated by the fastest qualifying time, he still has the speed so I expect to do much better at the later rounds (especially unidilla)
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Mike Oxmall 5/26/2014 8:33am
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Brad460 wrote:
Sorry..but IMO your opinion is what I would expect from someone who just started following moto...first race back in how long?? I think he did much...
Sorry..but IMO your opinion is what I would expect from someone who just started following moto...first race back in how long?? I think he did much better than anyone else in his situation. Guarantee he will be up front all year and likely won an overall..
davistld01 wrote:
I'm interested in why you think I'm somebody who just started following moto.

If I hurt your feelings, just say so.
Brad460 wrote:
You are so eager to respond back to anyone who quotes you that you don't comprehend the post..I never said YOU are someone who just started...
You are so eager to respond back to anyone who quotes you that you don't comprehend the post..I never said YOU are someone who just started following moto...what I did say is your comment sounds like it's coming from someone who just started following moto..the guy hasn't raced since..what..2012? Comes out and sets the fastest qualifying time and places 5th overall...seems good to me.

And, what's with all you folks talking about feelings- you sound like a chic ..
I don't even like CP but well said
Dart Board 5/26/2014 8:38am
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KlootZak wrote:
It seemed to me like he was holding back a bit. Maybe he rode at 85% of his capabilities and had some in reserve. I was...
It seemed to me like he was holding back a bit. Maybe he rode at 85% of his capabilities and had some in reserve. I was a bit disappointed that he let Cole Seely pass in the end of the second moto but he probably didn't want to crash (as some where doing) and just put the bike "home". Demonstrated by the fastest qualifying time, he still has the speed so I expect to do much better at the later rounds (especially unidilla)
He was being very cautious. I would expect him to improve pretty quickly these next couple races at tracks he likes.
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Silliker269 5/26/2014 8:55am
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You kidding , the guy didn't race for a year and a half and goes out and runs with the fastest guys we had to offer ? All looking like hes out on a Sunday trail ride. Pretty solid if you ask me ... i would be asking what was up with Baggett
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IWreckALot 5/26/2014 9:05am
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The results at glen Helen were just odd all around. I'm super pumped that they're racing there especially with south wick gone. It's certainly a unique track but I'll be pretty surprised if we see more riders like grant getting surprise Moto wins. Id like to see it but gh seems like a track that will give inconsistent results. So using pourcel's gh results is probably not an accurate measuring stick.
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jtomasik 5/26/2014 9:26am
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IWreckALot wrote:
The results at glen Helen were just odd all around. I'm super pumped that they're racing there especially with south wick gone. It's certainly a unique...
The results at glen Helen were just odd all around. I'm super pumped that they're racing there especially with south wick gone. It's certainly a unique track but I'll be pretty surprised if we see more riders like grant getting surprise Moto wins. Id like to see it but gh seems like a track that will give inconsistent results. So using pourcel's gh results is probably not an accurate measuring stick.
There was nothing odd about them at all. The only "odd" thing I witness are repeated attempts by fans to predict the future in a sport where so many variables play into the result. It's pretty simple….the guys who were best prepared for this race, and the same said of their equipment, won. Nobody knows who that is until the racing's over.
Travis_Hudson 5/26/2014 9:58am
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Good ride. There had to be a ton of pressure on him. Track was gnarly, he was rusty, etc. Give it 3-4 rounds. Those yamis looked...
Good ride. There had to be a ton of pressure on him. Track was gnarly, he was rusty, etc. Give it 3-4 rounds. Those yamis looked Pppppplush though.
Ha ha! No stupid air fork! Cool
louis.bernard.564 5/26/2014 11:30am
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themrtoad wrote:
I think he did okay. He's top 5 at the end of the day and he is fit for next round. If you are top 5...
I think he did okay. He's top 5 at the end of the day and he is fit for next round. If you are top 5 you are at least worthy of your spot, right?

But what about Jeremy Martin? What a ride. I am super surprised by his performance and the way he did it.
Is he that fast or did he just have one of those days where everything clicked? Can he do it again? Is he just as fast in the sand?

In my opinion that was just as impressive as what Eli Tomac and BB4 did previous years in mx2. Maybe America has something for Herlings in Kegums after all, or maybe it was just an one hit wonder.
I am still shocked by Martin (& Webb). He rode like RC ! He litterally destroyed everybody but Webb, by what, a minute ?
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Socket946 5/26/2014 11:38am
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He looked super calculated.

Took his time, was methodical, and made sure he didn't get in a bad situation.

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