If The King calls it a quad.....

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3/1/2014 9:48pm
Then it's a quad.
End of discussion.

For all the naysayers, what is a tabletop?

Answer: It's a double with dirt in the middle.
or is it a single with the top cut off..... Huh
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3/1/2014 9:51pm Edited Date/Time 3/1/2014 9:51pm
I can't believe I'm going to partake in this but here it is.
If you take a quad as a whole, you have 3 separate landing options by doubling, tripling, or the whole quad. If you throw a table in the mix, you still have the 3 seperate landing options. You can land on top of the table, down side it, or jump the full length (ie. quad).
My take of it, but this is an incredibly stupid topic so that will be my only post in it. Wink
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3/1/2014 9:51pm
It's not a double with dirt in the middle. Double meaning two, not one. The idea of a tabletop being a double is ridiculous. Doubles are...
It's not a double with dirt in the middle. Double meaning two, not one. The idea of a tabletop being a double is ridiculous. Doubles are doubles because of the two mounds of dirt not because of where you can land.
yep..
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3/1/2014 9:59pm
Love this lol people will argue about anything

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3/1/2014 10:00pm
Crush wrote:
I fuckin can't believe this is even a discussion.

Even here.
I know Blink
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3/1/2014 10:09pm Edited Date/Time 3/1/2014 10:10pm
Naw, screw this.

I want all you goons jumping tabletops at your local tracks to either refer to them as doubles or a 100ft triple.

Or better yet,

" I blitzed the Shit out of the whoop pad, and then cleared the hell out of that 100ft triple table top"

Someone ban Ralph from making this Shit up... I want to write a formal complaint letter to field on this subject.....

What do track builders have to say??
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3/1/2014 10:09pm
It is all about probable landings based on the number of probable take offs. I know most of you will be already lost here but please try. Take a few deep breaths right now and count to 25.
Ok here we go.

You have to count any take off or any landing that is not a traditional triangle shaped single as a single itself. So a table is a double because it consists of two triangle singles with dirt in the middle. How many times have you filled in a double on your own track in order to allow a lesser rider to learn to jump the distance? So it is now a table by definition but a double by execution.

Still there? Good stay close. So a single a table and a single now become a quad. 3 take offs and 3 landings but with the dirt in the middle of the double, you have removed one take off and one landing. So if you ran a bobcat across the filled in area of a table you now have a double buy definition. But was always a double by execution.
THE END
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3/1/2014 10:19pm
A table top, is a double with training wheels
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3/1/2014 10:24pm Edited Date/Time 3/1/2014 10:25pm
.... Counting probable landings is fucjin dumb... If that's the case I quintupled a small whoop section recently.

So I quintupled the "Whoop pad"


I'm out of this conversation.. The lack of common jump individuality is disturbing.
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Motodave15 wrote:
.... Counting probable landings is fucjin dumb... If that's the case I quintupled a small whoop section recently. So I quintupled the "Whoop pad" I'm out...
.... Counting probable landings is fucjin dumb... If that's the case I quintupled a small whoop section recently.

So I quintupled the "Whoop pad"


I'm out of this conversation.. The lack of common jump individuality is disturbing.
You only counted to 24.
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3/1/2014 11:52pm
This thread is proof that jumps have ruined MOTOcross as well as poisoning the brains of motocross riders/posters.
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3/2/2014 1:14am
Just wait 'til Daytona next week when all jumps become 110' in "Florida feet"
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It is all about probable landings based on the number of probable take offs. I know most of you will be already lost here but please...
It is all about probable landings based on the number of probable take offs. I know most of you will be already lost here but please try. Take a few deep breaths right now and count to 25.
Ok here we go.

You have to count any take off or any landing that is not a traditional triangle shaped single as a single itself. So a table is a double because it consists of two triangle singles with dirt in the middle. How many times have you filled in a double on your own track in order to allow a lesser rider to learn to jump the distance? So it is now a table by definition but a double by execution.

Still there? Good stay close. So a single a table and a single now become a quad. 3 take offs and 3 landings but with the dirt in the middle of the double, you have removed one take off and one landing. So if you ran a bobcat across the filled in area of a table you now have a double buy definition. But was always a double by execution.
THE END
This. Plus the fact that MC and Emig agree it is, but I guess some of you guys know more than the King and Fro.
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3/2/2014 4:41am
Lets call it a trip.5 and all go eat breakfast.
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3/2/2014 5:19am
Call it what you want but everyone around SX industry says quad for that combo.
3/2/2014 5:19am
Look's like a triple over a table top to me.
Yes. A tabletop is still a single jump.

Are big tabletops on mx tracks called "doubles" ? NO.

Then two singles and a small tabletop on the track is still a TRIPLE.

I seriously do not see how anyone could call that a quad.
3/2/2014 5:21am
Grizz wrote:
It's a quad because if it was 4 singles it would be the same length. There.
bulllllllllllll shit.

I have jumped some 100+ foot tabletops...they didn't call that a quad, triple, or double....
3/2/2014 5:23am
a double is a double, a table top is a table top...
Grizz wrote:
Okay, so what do you call jumping a single, table top, single in one jump? You can't call it a triple, because it's not a single...
Okay, so what do you call jumping a single, table top, single in one jump? You can't call it a triple, because it's not a single in the middle, it's a table top. Should we say single-table-single. No, I refuse. It should be illegal to describe something with such an exhausting phrase.

QUAD
It's THREE individual mounds of dirt....aka....a TRIPLE.


It's basic math. No wonder America is so stupid, the majority of us can't count properly.
3/2/2014 5:24am
It's not a double with dirt in the middle. Double meaning two, not one. The idea of a tabletop being a double is ridiculous. Doubles are...
It's not a double with dirt in the middle. Double meaning two, not one. The idea of a tabletop being a double is ridiculous. Doubles are doubles because of the two mounds of dirt not because of where you can land.
ding ding!

winner!
3/2/2014 5:29am Edited Date/Time 3/2/2014 5:31am
You cannot call a tabletop a double. It may be the same distance as a prior double...but by filling it in, the danger of not completing the double ("casing" it) is REMOVED, therefore turning the jump into a wiiiiiiide single, aka, a tabletop.


I cannot believe something so simple and elementary has brought so much discussion. I feel somehow stupider for even having to try and educate some stupid hillbillies that think 3 = 4.

Go back to elementary school. Learn math.

And short of MC and Emig having some vast joke on the rest of the people, and Ralph probably believing it...then they are stupid as well.
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3/2/2014 5:30am
Regardless of what its called that vid of AC doing it in slow mo with his feet off the pegs and his balls on the bar pad confirm it was a badass leap.
3/2/2014 5:57am
shredder22 wrote:
This. Plus the fact that MC and Emig agree it is, but I guess some of you guys know more than the King and Fro.
Look those guys....only have 8 SX titles and close 100 SX wins combined....how would they know....
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3/2/2014 6:21am
You can't call a jump section like that a "Triple", because its MORE than that. There must be some differentiation between a standard triple and the longer jump. Maybe we could call it "Extended Triple", or "XTriple" ??
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3/2/2014 6:45am
Hoov wrote:
You can't call a jump section like that a "Triple", because its MORE than that. There must be some differentiation between a standard triple and the...
You can't call a jump section like that a "Triple", because its MORE than that. There must be some differentiation between a standard triple and the longer jump. Maybe we could call it "Extended Triple", or "XTriple" ??
Or, we could just call it a quad, like the people who race dirtbikes professionally and win multiple supercross championships do.
3/2/2014 6:53am
Look's like a triple over a table top to me.
If someone steps on/off they have taken off, landed, taken off again and landed. 2 take off points 2 landing points. Jump all of it, add them together and what do we get? 4! Quad.

It's simple fucking arithmetic people. Don't complicate it with made up rules on what you "consider" a landing or a lip. If they land on it or take off from it, it counts as "1". The wall jump is labeled correctly as a spine. You cover vertical space, not horizontal.
3/2/2014 6:56am Edited Date/Time 3/2/2014 7:03am
thephoenix wrote:
You cannot call a tabletop a double. It may be the same distance as a prior double...but by filling it in, the danger of not completing...
You cannot call a tabletop a double. It may be the same distance as a prior double...but by filling it in, the danger of not completing the double ("casing" it) is REMOVED, therefore turning the jump into a wiiiiiiide single, aka, a tabletop.


I cannot believe something so simple and elementary has brought so much discussion. I feel somehow stupider for even having to try and educate some stupid hillbillies that think 3 = 4.

Go back to elementary school. Learn math.

And short of MC and Emig having some vast joke on the rest of the people, and Ralph probably believing it...then they are stupid as well.
A single has no landing... a table does. While not a double in it's original state if you add another lip or landing to a table, it's now a triple.
3/2/2014 7:00am
No. Only stupid people call it a quad. The definition, as always in motocross, is that a SINGLE mound of dirt with no flat gaps between it, is a SINGLE jump, no matter how wide or long it is. Tabletops are indeed, a SINGLE jump.

Take this single-table-single section...you jump off the first and cover an airspace (1)...you land on the tabletop and cover some ground distance (2)...you leave the ground again and cover another airspace before landing on the third mound of dirt (3).

Notice the numbers? It's a TRIPLE.

When a guy short lands a tabletop at a track, then jumps off it onto the flat...by your dumbass reasoning, that would be a double? *lol*


The definition relies on the DIRT MOUNDS, aka "jumps". QUAD means FOUR DIRT MOUNDS...not THREE (triple).

Did anyone see FOUR FUCKING DIRT MOUNDS? No? Then it's a triple.
3/2/2014 7:01am
A single has no landing... a table does. While not a double in it's original state if you add another lip or landing to a table...
A single has no landing... a table does. While not a double in it's original state if you add another lip or landing to a table, it's now a triple.
A single does have a landing. It's called flat ground with no mound of dirt built up on it.
3/2/2014 7:03am
And now, I must stop arguing with stupidity, I have a training run of 15 miles to go do...I will at least, feel smarter after leaving this thread...
3/2/2014 7:08am
thephoenix wrote:
You cannot call a tabletop a double. It may be the same distance as a prior double...but by filling it in, the danger of not completing...
You cannot call a tabletop a double. It may be the same distance as a prior double...but by filling it in, the danger of not completing the double ("casing" it) is REMOVED, therefore turning the jump into a wiiiiiiide single, aka, a tabletop.


I cannot believe something so simple and elementary has brought so much discussion. I feel somehow stupider for even having to try and educate some stupid hillbillies that think 3 = 4.

Go back to elementary school. Learn math.

And short of MC and Emig having some vast joke on the rest of the people, and Ralph probably believing it...then they are stupid as well.
Hello thephoenix,

I am currently obtaining a degree in Physiology and Physics. Obviously, with Physics I have explored the deep realms of math and numbers, and I have learned that numbers and life in itself is not how it first appears. In fact, the number system is just something that we have created, in which some mathematicians believe don't even exist. If a mathematician were to look at this jump, they would probably see it falls neither into the category of three or four, but closer to four (if you must, lets assign this a number of 3.75). 3.75 is of course not an integer, but if you want to round it up for names sake, it becomes 4.

My take on this is that this jump can be called whatever you want it be called. In theory, a tabletop is not a single.... you can jump it (you can't jump a single), and hence I would consider a tabletop to be more akin to a double than a single. As a result, I would prefer to call the entire jump a quad, such as experienced riders (Emig, MC, Stewart, AC,.... and every single professional) would choose to call it a quad.

If you want some more math lessons let me know!

P.S. Try being nice to people. You may like it!

Cheers!

Moto Now (follow me on Twitter @motonowblog)

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