Another (better) View of James' Crash

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sec114 6/3/2012 10:10am
6/3/2012 10:10am Edited Date/Time 6/3/2012 10:11am
DL wrote:
He tried to save that front end for a week..... I still think the photog may have distracted James but was not at fault.
yeah who knows how much stewart had to change his line for this distraction. but as soon as he gets into the beginning of the long deep ruts(just past where the guy was crossing) he clearly lost concentration, cross rutted and fought to save it. he rode it out pretty long.
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petrie141 6/3/2012 10:20am
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The one thing I think most people can agree upon now is that this definitely adds fuel to the drama that is James stewart's career. It gives you all more ammo for the message boards. Let the speculation begin!
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Hank_Thrill 6/3/2012 10:23am
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That guy should have known better than to cross the track.

Imagine from James' perspective, the total shock and possible adrenalin rush he probably felt coming over that jump to see someone out on the track. That had to feel like a deer or dog jumping out in front of you on the highway or something.

Looked like his arm got tangled up between his helmet and bike.
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daemon616 6/3/2012 10:26am
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If only the JFK assassination happened in 2012 we'd know who was standing on the grassy knoll.

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dkg 6/3/2012 10:27am
6/3/2012 10:27am Edited Date/Time 6/3/2012 10:30am
I have difficulty seeing how that single guy crossing contributed to the fall, however, I accept James' statement that it did. Maybe James was more concerned about the concept, of were you see one, there are always more and lost concetration. Pack mentality and all being what it is.

On the flip side, I am not ready to crucify the camera guy. Probably not the perfect decision to run across the track at the time he did, but, from the camera guys perspective he was out of the line of fire long before the riders got to his place of crossing. Like was stated above, the spectators didn't even notice/remember the camera guy crossing at the time of the crash. If James hadn't mentioned it, we wouldn't even be talking about it.

Bad things sometimes happen to good people, In this case I include in the good people, both James and the Camera Guy. Everyone ought to just learn from the issue and let it go.

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P.S. I'd be really interested in James' point of view after he sees this video given the action of the rear tire shortley after landing. We probably won't see him here on Vital, but, one can hope.
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jeffro503 6/3/2012 10:32am
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72kiteboarder wrote:
This view makes look like it was even less the crossers fault. James looked like he was going to take the line he took no matter...
This view makes look like it was even less the crossers fault. James looked like he was going to take the line he took no matter what. The only thing the crosser may have done is made name lose his focus.
neverwasfastenuf wrote:
LOL What this video doesn't show, is the shock factor that Stewart was instantly faced with by the spectator crossing the track while he was at...
LOL What this video doesn't show, is the shock factor that Stewart was instantly faced with by the spectator crossing the track while he was at speed and in the air, and aiming towards the inside of the track for the next turn. You can view it from all the angles you want, but the only one that will give you the rider's perspective is the gopro. This video does however confirm what a terrible choice the crosser made in crossing at that moment when it appears that if he had taken the time to look before crossing he would know where Stewart was at the time. Count how long it takes from the time Stewart leaves the jump and sees the crosser till the crosser clears the track. All this went down in less than 2 seconds, all at speed, and with the element of surprise.
The "Shock factor"........you have got to be fucking kidding me. You know how many other obstacles , guys you are racing against , lappers , tuff blocks and so forth a rider has to deal with at a split second in every God damn moto? A LOT!

If anything.....this new video just showed Stewart take the EXACT line he was aiming for off the jump and was on the gas a good 100' after he passed the dude.

I am seriously bummed James went down , and is now possibly hurt , because this season is now going to suck without him being there. But that dude that ran across the track didn't have anything to do with that wreck.
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zippy895 6/3/2012 10:34am
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:22 seconds of video ,some of you feel stewart is focused on guy?
:23 seconds ,he is over the jump
:26 seconds he is flowing into the rut
:27 seconds he cross ruts .look at the amount of track to his left .

did this odd out of the normal incident distract js7 from his racing focus? probably.but it shouldnt of made him crash.
if this guy really caused the crash, stewart would of focused on the way outside of that section.

would hate to see how he would be affected back in the day at the trophy de-nations when spectators would narrow up turns with those fences to discourge team usa from winning. anybody remember this stuff?
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CR250Rider 6/3/2012 10:40am
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There is no way that spectator caused Jame's crash.

Remember in the old days when spectators would throw stuff at the riders and actually run out on the track and taunt the racers?


whatever
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My 2 cents- That dude prolly shocked him but what was prolly more contributory was the 5tenth gain Dungey had made on him in the 2nd lap. James hit that funny kicker after landing saved it and tried to pin it while leening hard and committed in the rut well after the dude and it bit him...he was laying it down trying to manage a gap or get back a little lost time from what I could tell by looking at vid and lap times- IMO
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Sparkalounger 6/3/2012 10:42am
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what about dungeys perspective?

he didnt even see the track crosser...

so he is lookin ahead and sees james wad it up thinking it was all on his own...

not really a big point to discuss but funny how for that whole moto he had no idea that there was a distraction that may have played a part.

He was probably thinking "we'll there it is, wondered how much longer before he wadded it up..."
DeepUnderground 6/3/2012 10:47am
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CR250Rider wrote:
There is no way that spectator caused Jame's crash. Remember in the old days when spectators would throw stuff at the riders and actually run out...
There is no way that spectator caused Jame's crash.

Remember in the old days when spectators would throw stuff at the riders and actually run out on the track and taunt the racers?


whatever
LOL. I think it is a positive thing that we are away from that era.
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jeffro503 6/3/2012 10:56am
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Sparkalounger wrote:
what about dungeys perspective? he didnt even see the track crosser... so he is lookin ahead and sees james wad it up thinking it was all...
what about dungeys perspective?

he didnt even see the track crosser...

so he is lookin ahead and sees james wad it up thinking it was all on his own...

not really a big point to discuss but funny how for that whole moto he had no idea that there was a distraction that may have played a part.

He was probably thinking "we'll there it is, wondered how much longer before he wadded it up..."
On that point.......I wonder why RD didn't wreck from " The shock factor " because Stewart was laying in the middle of the track? Or what about " The shock factor " the next 20 friggin' guys had when they went around James as well.

Fuggin' "Shock factor ".......this is priceless.
neverwasfastenuf 6/3/2012 10:56am
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72kiteboarder wrote:
This view makes look like it was even less the crossers fault. James looked like he was going to take the line he took no matter...
This view makes look like it was even less the crossers fault. James looked like he was going to take the line he took no matter what. The only thing the crosser may have done is made name lose his focus.
neverwasfastenuf wrote:
LOL What this video doesn't show, is the shock factor that Stewart was instantly faced with by the spectator crossing the track while he was at...
LOL What this video doesn't show, is the shock factor that Stewart was instantly faced with by the spectator crossing the track while he was at speed and in the air, and aiming towards the inside of the track for the next turn. You can view it from all the angles you want, but the only one that will give you the rider's perspective is the gopro. This video does however confirm what a terrible choice the crosser made in crossing at that moment when it appears that if he had taken the time to look before crossing he would know where Stewart was at the time. Count how long it takes from the time Stewart leaves the jump and sees the crosser till the crosser clears the track. All this went down in less than 2 seconds, all at speed, and with the element of surprise.
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The "Shock factor"........you have got to be fucking kidding me. You know how many other obstacles , guys you are racing against , lappers , tuff...
The "Shock factor"........you have got to be fucking kidding me. You know how many other obstacles , guys you are racing against , lappers , tuff blocks and so forth a rider has to deal with at a split second in every God damn moto? A LOT!

If anything.....this new video just showed Stewart take the EXACT line he was aiming for off the jump and was on the gas a good 100' after he passed the dude.

I am seriously bummed James went down , and is now possibly hurt , because this season is now going to suck without him being there. But that dude that ran across the track didn't have anything to do with that wreck.
No I'm not fucking kidding you ... all of those that you mentioned wouldn't compare to encountering a a human in civilian clothes in the middle of the track without any warning.... and if there happened to be a lapper, tuffblock, or so forth the chances are that the flagger at the jump would have signaled him with a caution flag! But you are entitled to your opinion as well.
aFACEdismembered 6/3/2012 10:59am
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Sparkalounger wrote:
what about dungeys perspective? he didnt even see the track crosser... so he is lookin ahead and sees james wad it up thinking it was all...
what about dungeys perspective?

he didnt even see the track crosser...

so he is lookin ahead and sees james wad it up thinking it was all on his own...

not really a big point to discuss but funny how for that whole moto he had no idea that there was a distraction that may have played a part.

He was probably thinking "we'll there it is, wondered how much longer before he wadded it up..."
I've thought something similar. Is Dungey now Godlike for seeing an abnormal ball of yellow cartwheeling in front of him and not losing his concentration... at this point already in the ruts and committed? He didn't even have a jump and short straight away to figure out what he was going to do.
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zippy895 6/3/2012 11:00am
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so what some of you are saying, if a hot monster girl streaking across the track instead of a photo guy......
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brianfagan9 6/3/2012 11:01am
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Straight up, that guy should never be allowed near an MX track again. Just watching him just take his time getting across the track made me want to kick him in his fat ass. Completely agree with never, when your going that fast it had to screw up Stewarts concentration.
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dkg 6/3/2012 11:01am
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Just another thought: This seems another case of correlation maybe not equaling causation. Even in James' mind, his initial impression may have been the camera guy. No criticism of James as things are happening so fast and that was the only thing out of the norm at the time of the crash. If he still says it was the camera guy after seeing the rear wheel action, I'd be a little surprised, but, he is the only one that would know.
aFACEdismembered 6/3/2012 11:02am
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neverwasfastenuf wrote:
No I'm not fucking kidding you ... all of those that you mentioned wouldn't compare to encountering a a human in civilian clothes in the middle...
No I'm not fucking kidding you ... all of those that you mentioned wouldn't compare to encountering a a human in civilian clothes in the middle of the track without any warning.... and if there happened to be a lapper, tuffblock, or so forth the chances are that the flagger at the jump would have signaled him with a caution flag! But you are entitled to your opinion as well.
That dude was past James' line with feet moving in the direction away from him. How is that shocking? He was getting out of the way, albeit late, in the correct direction. Had the guy been walking the other way, in to James' line, I'd feel different.

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DeepUnderground 6/3/2012 11:02am
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zippy895 wrote:
so what some of you are saying, if a hot monster girl streaking across the track instead of a photo guy......
If it was a hot monster girl, someone would have hit that.
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dkg 6/3/2012 11:05am
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zippy895 wrote:
so what some of you are saying, if a hot monster girl streaking across the track instead of a photo guy......
DeepUnderground wrote:
If it was a hot monster girl, someone would have hit that.
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neverwasfastenuf 6/3/2012 11:09am
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zippy895 wrote:
so what some of you are saying, if a hot monster girl streaking across the track instead of a photo guy......
DeepUnderground wrote:
If it was a hot monster girl, someone would have hit that.
dkg wrote:
Priceless
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bns99121 6/3/2012 11:10am
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I can't believe people are defending the guy crossing the track. I think everyone can agree that it was one of the worst decisions ever to cross the track at that time. James happened to crash immediately after the crossing therefore the guy crossing caused the accident, whether directly or indirectly.
neverwasfastenuf 6/3/2012 11:11am
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Sparkalounger wrote:
what about dungeys perspective? he didnt even see the track crosser... so he is lookin ahead and sees james wad it up thinking it was all...
what about dungeys perspective?

he didnt even see the track crosser...

so he is lookin ahead and sees james wad it up thinking it was all on his own...

not really a big point to discuss but funny how for that whole moto he had no idea that there was a distraction that may have played a part.

He was probably thinking "we'll there it is, wondered how much longer before he wadded it up..."
jeffro503 wrote:
On that point.......I wonder why RD didn't wreck from " The shock factor " because Stewart was laying in the middle of the track? Or what...
On that point.......I wonder why RD didn't wreck from " The shock factor " because Stewart was laying in the middle of the track? Or what about " The shock factor " the next 20 friggin' guys had when they went around James as well.

Fuggin' "Shock factor ".......this is priceless.
Uh, don't think their's was the same with the flags waving to warn them. But that's your story and you're sticking with it.Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing And Stewart was quite a bit further down the track giving them more time to adjust.
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slipdog 6/3/2012 11:15am
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zippy895 wrote:
so what some of you are saying, if a hot monster girl streaking across the track instead of a photo guy......
DeepUnderground wrote:
If it was a hot monster girl, someone would have hit that.
dkg wrote:
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Yea, not bad for a NOOB!

I'd give him a big cup of STFU, but I kind of like his style. Tongue
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Tim507 6/3/2012 11:17am
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The processing skills of a professional racer are extraordinary! That moran did not cause the crash period. If JS was distracted then his mind was not on his profession.
What the moran did was unsafe and needs to be roped in for the overall safety of all.
I do believe that JS is an awesome talent……and a quick thinker when it comes to damage control.
Certainly hope he is back next weekend


PS: Someone please send a monster girl my waySmile
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ns503 6/3/2012 11:19am
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Sparkalounger wrote:
what about dungeys perspective? he didnt even see the track crosser... so he is lookin ahead and sees james wad it up thinking it was all...
what about dungeys perspective?

he didnt even see the track crosser...

so he is lookin ahead and sees james wad it up thinking it was all on his own...

not really a big point to discuss but funny how for that whole moto he had no idea that there was a distraction that may have played a part.

He was probably thinking "we'll there it is, wondered how much longer before he wadded it up..."
jeffro503 wrote:
On that point.......I wonder why RD didn't wreck from " The shock factor " because Stewart was laying in the middle of the track? Or what...
On that point.......I wonder why RD didn't wreck from " The shock factor " because Stewart was laying in the middle of the track? Or what about " The shock factor " the next 20 friggin' guys had when they went around James as well.

Fuggin' "Shock factor ".......this is priceless.
The thing is though that they're used to seeing & dealing with guys down on the track. They know that either the guy down is going nowhere, or knows how to react & conduct himself when he goes down. Some random dude walking across the track who is not supposed to be there could trip & fall, panic & run back where he came from, freeze, run in front of him, or who knows what else. I think he'd think he'd need to give him a way wider berth than simply another rider down.
FlickitFlat 6/3/2012 11:20am
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I think the guy totally made James change his line while he was in the air. Look as James is getting ready to go to the inside while he is in the air and then straightens out to go to the outside once he lands because of the guy. Even better, look at what Dungey does behind him and what line he was going to take before James even crashed. It seems pretty clear to me Dungey was dedicated to go to the inside. So was James. Having to change your line and then missing the rut. Seems pretty clear to me.
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jamma10 6/3/2012 11:21am
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Among others, FaceDismembered and Kiteboarder (yesterday) speaketh the truth.
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Hut 6/3/2012 11:22am
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After seeing this video I think target fixation is probably more likely than anything directly related to the moran. Doesn't look like Bubba made any motion to avoid the moran's path but possibly just fixated on him unintentionally and caught a rut wrong. It happens Blink

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