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If Feld and the AMA don't realize it's in their best interest to tame things down, they're idiots. I'm sure viewer numbers both on TV and in person decline with each top name taken out of action.
To paraphrase The Man " Kids think they are impressing me doing big jumps, fuck that crap, they can't get around a corner worth a shit. Dungey impressed me 'cos he can corner like a motherfucker".
Corner speed has always sorted the wheat from the chaff but it's a dying art thanks to 450's.
Of course RV can still corner like a beast but generally it's on the wane.
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THey were pretty amazing bikes in their day. But they had more motor than the technology at the time could control. the 500AF bikes solve some of those control issues.
But you have to agree that a 500AF is still a 20 year old engine that creates more HP than the 450s. Imagine if there were R&D on them now? maybe they too would have a more tractable engine and even more HP...
250 (2 or 4 stroke with a $17,500.00 claiming rule.)
open (drop the homo rule ) indoors and / or outdoors only if you want
Sounds good to me.
I did not mean to take the focus off supercross racing. The first moto at Steel City was just an example that popped into my head, because both gladiators were "Dropping the hammer" that moto - as Cole Trickle once said.
I am not opposed to 450cc engine outdoors.
They got rid of them entirely because it cost too much to run three classes outdoors once the 125's came on.
As to Rup's question, I think it would be a great show if all the best current 250 and 450 riders were on 250f's in the same class. Not the best business proposition for OEMs and teams, but the racing would be better and deeper.
Not to say companies like Husky, TM, Maico, Gas Gas, don't make good products but they haven't exactly been setting the world on fire in the GP's. It is a shame they cant represent their company in our race series none the less.
As far as the 500AF goes.. it would be cool to see someone run it in the outdoors (knowing it cant happen). I really believe the right rider could be competitive on that bike at half the cost of a race ready 450. But we will never know. Im not saying they would win but I bet someone could easily put one of those bikes in the show outdoors every week against 450s.
now everything is high speed rhythm sections that cause major damage when they auger. you watch some of the old supercrosses that tony puts up and you see how slow the races were...yeah not as exciting and smooth/flowing...but the casualty rate was much less.
they keep building these tracks to accommodate the big bikes. need to check it up. change one or the other.
Would the championship be better wtih all the top riders & a little slower bikes? Bring back 2 strokes... LOL
Actually not really intending to start the 2 stroke, 4 stroke thing, it's more the speed of the 450's. The attrition is unbelievable, there was something like 8 riders out after first 2 rounds. While I do think the mass of the 4 stroke makes them a little less manageable, I also think the pace is pushing these riders into mistakes with more serious consequences. I don't see the same attrition in the 250's. The 450's are so fast, the riders are having serious crashes searching for the limit.
I don't care if it was a 250 4t, 250 2t, etc. & laps were 1 to 2 seconds slower. I'd give that up to have Reed, Dungey, Stewart (or at least some of them) battling for the championship.
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Surely it would benefit the privateers. They could afford to race a 250 2 stroke against a factory 250F's, or say a worked KTM300 / TM300 in the open class.
Premier class on 250's of any stroke with the current rules.....which is basically a works bike. Oh and leaded fuel.
In motorsports like F1 and Nascar, you can control and predict hundreds of variables and therefore minimize externalities and adjust to conditions. In motocross, the track changes throughout the day, every heat and every lap. These guys are pushing the absolute limit of what these bikes and their bodies and minds are capable of and one tiny mistake, loss of focus, even for a millisecond, can have catastrophic consequences.
I would like 125's as the lite class indoor and outdoor.
250's of whatever stroke you prefer/can afford as the premierclass
they get so fast so quickly the riders go from in control to out of it before they know what's goin on (I'm guessing.. I've never been in that particular position)
People say that 125's are so slow but since when has MX been about speed? Going as fast as possible sure.. but actual speed notsomuch (does that make sense?)
wait no one mentioned 125's did they? ah well
I'm with you Rup
Either way though, getting 450's out of the indoors will have to make for safer racing. This year's long list of injuries is probably an abberation, but either way injuries are far too common in the big class. Ironically, these guys are more experienced, smarter racers. Theoretically they should get injured less. The 450 has just become a beast. Unlike the old 500's though, these beasts seem soft and easy and make the impossible possible........until they bite......and they always do eventually.
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