DV12 on Why He is not Team Manager Anymore

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zookrider62! 10/19/2011 7:25am
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Sherwood wrote:
800's program clearly hasn't worked for him in the pro ranks and they want to try it again and see what happens?
MXOuterCircle wrote:
Sherwood, here's what you're missing -- 800 hasn't had Tony's complete cradle-to-grave program since he turned pro. For better or worse, the factories, at some level...
Sherwood, here's what you're missing -- 800 hasn't had Tony's complete cradle-to-grave program since he turned pro. For better or worse, the factories, at some level, have not allowed for the the same type of program and the level of control that Tony demands. If memory serves me correctly, Mike thrived and was one of the best ever as an amateur under Tony's program.

Tony's not perfect, that's for sure. And hopefully he has some of those warts removed going into the new season. But I think the upside for all involved with this effort - MotoConcepts, Mike Alessi, Mike Genova, Tony Alessi, Sponsors, and the fans - far outweigh the downside. I wish them all the best.
The Vegas MEC race was tonys chance to prove he can run his own successful program, and that might have been some of the worst riding ive seen out of mike
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burn1986 10/19/2011 7:25am
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The true highlight of MotoConcepts (besides the Pourcel saga) was the attempt at bringing Soubeyras over to ride the 2-stroke. This gained more attention for them than anything other than Pourcel.
BornA'Lil2Slow 10/19/2011 7:35am
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When did Chisolm get a podium ?
dv12.com wrote:
What about learning lessons Jay? ;-)

Article never states Kyle podiumed... And I am the foreigner here? ;-)
no David, you aren't a foreigner here.. We have welcomed you in with us a loooooong time ago. Sorry to insult you as being part of us though, lol, we are a pretty messed up crew, but none the less, you are 'merican now, fuck yeah!
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Crazy how Motoconcepts had the whole Pourcel episode, now they enter the Alessi era! But DV is right- this sport would be really hurting without Mike...
Crazy how Motoconcepts had the whole Pourcel episode, now they enter the Alessi era!

But DV is right- this sport would be really hurting without Mike Genova, Valli, Gibbs and Mike
Kranyak.
Kranyak and Lanza (Valli) have both left the sport.

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Xeno wrote:
Crazy how Motoconcepts had the whole Pourcel episode, now they enter the Alessi era! But DV is right- this sport would be really hurting without Mike...
Crazy how Motoconcepts had the whole Pourcel episode, now they enter the Alessi era!

But DV is right- this sport would be really hurting without Mike Genova, Valli, Gibbs and Mike
Kranyak.
WORCSRacer wrote:
Kranyak and Lanza (Valli) have both left the sport.
wrong http://www.racerxonline.com/2011/10/13/lm-racing-merges-with-jeff-ward-…
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you know last year I was chatting with Mitch and I was asking him how is it these teams make money...he didn't really want to answer too much and I genuinely wanted to understand the biz aspect of this sport-

Thanks DV for educating me a little more on how these thing works-
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It sounds like Concepts might be putting all their eggs in one basket (Alessi's)...Assuming all this Alessi to Concepts stuff is true ofcourse.....Blink
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zookrider62! wrote:
The Vegas MEC race was tonys chance to prove he can run his own successful program, and that might have been some of the worst riding...
The Vegas MEC race was tonys chance to prove he can run his own successful program, and that might have been some of the worst riding ive seen out of mike
Yeah, right. Horrible riding. A holeshot or two, a straight up pass on Dungey, sixth fastest laptime. I wish I could be that bad. LOLYIURMFer
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Respectfully done DV12
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Sherwood 10/19/2011 8:59am
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Sherwood wrote:
800's program clearly hasn't worked for him in the pro ranks and they want to try it again and see what happens?
MXOuterCircle wrote:
Sherwood, here's what you're missing -- 800 hasn't had Tony's complete cradle-to-grave program since he turned pro. For better or worse, the factories, at some level...
Sherwood, here's what you're missing -- 800 hasn't had Tony's complete cradle-to-grave program since he turned pro. For better or worse, the factories, at some level, have not allowed for the the same type of program and the level of control that Tony demands. If memory serves me correctly, Mike thrived and was one of the best ever as an amateur under Tony's program.

Tony's not perfect, that's for sure. And hopefully he has some of those warts removed going into the new season. But I think the upside for all involved with this effort - MotoConcepts, Mike Alessi, Mike Genova, Tony Alessi, Sponsors, and the fans - far outweigh the downside. I wish them all the best.
So it's not Alessi's program that's the problem but Hondas, Suzuki,and Ktm's program? Racing once a month at the AM level is different than racing every week at the pro level.
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downandup 10/19/2011 9:07am
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Tony Alessi was good for amateurs, but NOT for pros.

Genova is an idiot to go with the Alessi's over DV.

Genova is all about the "look at me" type of riders. That's why he chose Friese. Look where that got him.

Good luck DV, you were way to good for that team!
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Much Respect to DV for walking away from that.
So is Tony going to be the official Manager of the team and wear the motoconcepts hat now? They should do way better going for a championship now that they have shed themselves from those pesky factory teams wtf does The Man know anyhow...Dry
I can see Tony on TruTV rating videos with Tonya Harding and Danny Bonaduce in the near future, just saying
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The amount of insider nut suckling around here never ceases to amaze.
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downandup 10/19/2011 9:27am
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Much Respect to DV for walking away from that. So is Tony going to be the official Manager of the team and wear the motoconcepts hat...
Much Respect to DV for walking away from that.
So is Tony going to be the official Manager of the team and wear the motoconcepts hat now? They should do way better going for a championship now that they have shed themselves from those pesky factory teams wtf does The Man know anyhow...Dry
I can see Tony on TruTV rating videos with Tonya Harding and Danny Bonaduce in the near future, just saying
lmao!

Tony and reality tv are a great fit, aren't they??

Would be great to see a fight between Harding and Tony. I think Harding would kick his ass!
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garm521 10/19/2011 9:38am
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He hit a lot of points that I've been concerned about for a while. "Our sport isn't doing well!" He's completely right, as soon as the...
He hit a lot of points that I've been concerned about for a while. "Our sport isn't doing well!" He's completely right, as soon as the energy drink biz goes bust we're done.
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About teams finding new sponsors when the energy drink train crashes and burns, here's the biggest problem, teams do not know how to treat sponsors. Sure...
About teams finding new sponsors when the energy drink train crashes and burns, here's the biggest problem, teams do not know how to treat sponsors. Sure, if you're a big name super size check sponsor, like the energy drink companies, teams treat you great. But if you're one of the "lesser sponsors" you're ignored. You can cut checks for a few thousand dollars, give thousands in product(s), and be ignored when you go to the race hauler on race day. You can give a team thousands in product, only to show up and see they're only using some of what you gave them, against the agreed and signed contract. I can go on and on about how teams ignored and treated various companies poorly, by both teams and riders.
This industry doesn't know how to treat sponsors, and the teams alone aren't to blame. Riders treat sponsors like crap. Hell, they don't even know who their sponsors are. Then you have at SX, the inability to give away anything other than a piece of paper that we all know will go in the trash once they get home if not five feet from where they received it. You can't give away decals, you can't give away t-shirts. At least at Nationals you can give away decals (not sure about T's) The only promotional you get for a few thousand dollars is a logo on the hauler (and a few thousand is the teeny-tiny logo) and an even teeny-tinier logo on the bike, usually located where no one can see it. When was the last time you looked at or saw the top of a rear fender of a bike at a SX?

Bottom line, sponsors are typically treated like crap in this industry on many fronts.
When the drink sponsors are gone, this industry will be really hurting, but a lot of that hurt will be self-inflicted.
Agree with DV's decision. If your not allowed to do your job properly and your hearts not in it, its good to get out. He's lucky that he apparently has money put away and has that option. Lots of guys get stuck in these type of situations but have no choice but to stay and deal with it. Then when things go wrong, the TM gets the blame even though it might not have been his doing.

Agree with flarider above too, many of these teams create their own problems and treat sponsors like shit or don't stick to their side of the deal, all they are thinking about is the $$$$, and then when a sponsor stands up for something because their side is not being handled right, they get trashed by the team in the pits and everywhere else. Lots of one sided stories get put on the message boards and in the pits that are not close to true and usually the one spreading the word is the one trying to cover up the BS. The industry people come on here and plant little "seeds" about this and that to start the hating on people, companies, etc and of course the message boards eat it up and run with it not knowing any of the real circumstances.
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dkg 10/19/2011 10:01am
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UAW_member wrote:
It looked like it could get difficult so DV12 quit. Sounds like the French way out.
Big difference between difficult and impossible.
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dkg 10/19/2011 10:03am
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MXOuterCircle wrote:
Yeah, right. Horrible riding. A holeshot or two, a straight up pass on Dungey, sixth fastest laptime. I wish I could be that bad. LOLYIURMFer
You forgot the fade to back .....

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Brent 10/19/2011 10:04am
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The arrogance and ego of Tony Alessi is just amazing. If Mike was getting 6th's with top notch KTM support, where is he going to be with a couple of store bought Suzukis?

This guy and his kid are going try the same things over and over until Mike is too old to race.

Lucky for them they got a sugar daddy for another year.
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snipermx50cal 10/19/2011 10:14am
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Harry_Gray wrote:
That was a bit of a chicken shit answer; he's been in the industry for awhile so if a situation didn't work for him, it was...
That was a bit of a chicken shit answer; he's been in the industry for awhile so if a situation didn't work for him, it was best for both parties to part ways. Why should he waste his time and Mike's money? UAW_member (great name), I'd rather be associated with the French than a dying-on-the-vine union that is killing the auto industry in the US. Can't wait for the comments to come in...
Neutra wrote:
Lol. x2
I'm quite sure he could give a shit about what Mike would say. It would be Tony that would drive you nuts! Make him want to wear an ear piece so Mike could listen to the old man bitch and tell him what he needs to do. YIKES!!!!
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Spuds 10/19/2011 11:30am
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I think DV would have been really good for Alessi, the things Mike lacks are the things DV had in his career - SX skills and...
I think DV would have been really good for Alessi, the things Mike lacks are the things DV had in his career - SX skills and riding smart. It could have been a good combination imo.
Aus_Rider_22 wrote:
That sounds good on paper but you need both parties working in harmony. I remember just recently seeing the video of Dungey and Alessi training on...
That sounds good on paper but you need both parties working in harmony.

I remember just recently seeing the video of Dungey and Alessi training on the same track and Tony being a loudmouth and saying "we have the motor" while Roger DeCoster standing there stone-faced and watching them ride.

I wish Mike and Jeff all the best. They are both champions in there own right.
Aus_Rider something you said was right. Both parties have to work in harmony. David said he was willing to work with them but Tony would not. Shows maturity on David's party and lack of maturity on Tony's part. His kid needs help, obviously, in areas that Tony can't help him and David can and was willing to help. If Tony refused and starts making demands and the season did not even start yet that shows it's gonna be a long season. Who wouldn't quit?! When SX season doesn't go as planned for them the finger pointing is gonna start just like it always does and it never points at camp Alessi! I don't blame DV one bit for walking away. He just removed himself from a bad situation and a season of getting his name thrown under the bus for Tony's mistakes. Who would willingly stay in a situation that history tells you is going to end badly. If you did not need that job/money, Who would not walk away from that???
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MXOuterCircle 10/19/2011 11:33am
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downandup wrote:
Tony Alessi was good for amateurs, but NOT for pros. Genova is an idiot to go with the Alessi's over DV. Genova is all about the...
Tony Alessi was good for amateurs, but NOT for pros.

Genova is an idiot to go with the Alessi's over DV.

Genova is all about the "look at me" type of riders. That's why he chose Friese. Look where that got him.

Good luck DV, you were way to good for that team!
Genova is a idiot, right. His real business is more successful than any motocross-oriented business ever. Bootstrapped from nothing but his sweat, toil, and "idiocy". We should all be so stupid. The only truly idiotic thing I've seen Genova do is pour his heart, soul, and money into such a dysfunctional sport, one that requires him to deal with imbeciles on a daily basis. A mistake many of us have made, unfortunately.
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TJ 755 10/19/2011 11:33am
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Tony's BO is worse than his BS. DV moved here to get away from that shit.
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peelout 10/19/2011 11:43am
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i like DV, always been a big fan, that was a great interview that covered a lot of topics
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downandup 10/19/2011 12:07pm
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Tony Alessi was good for amateurs, but NOT for pros. Genova is an idiot to go with the Alessi's over DV. Genova is all about the...
Tony Alessi was good for amateurs, but NOT for pros.

Genova is an idiot to go with the Alessi's over DV.

Genova is all about the "look at me" type of riders. That's why he chose Friese. Look where that got him.

Good luck DV, you were way to good for that team!
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Genova is a idiot, right. His real business is more successful than any motocross-oriented business ever. Bootstrapped from nothing but his sweat, toil, and "idiocy". We...
Genova is a idiot, right. His real business is more successful than any motocross-oriented business ever. Bootstrapped from nothing but his sweat, toil, and "idiocy". We should all be so stupid. The only truly idiotic thing I've seen Genova do is pour his heart, soul, and money into such a dysfunctional sport, one that requires him to deal with imbeciles on a daily basis. A mistake many of us have made, unfortunately.
Maybe I should qualify my post, Genova is an idiot in this instance.

Who would you pick, Tony Alessi or DV??? Genova is a fool for picking TA over DV. Even when DV said he was willing to work with Mike, Tony still wanted control. Tony and Mike could learn alot from DV. Fool=TA=MG
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munsch121 10/19/2011 12:43pm
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The Alessi family will never accept the fact that their amateur program doesn't work in the pro ranks......If Mike Alessi doesn't win a major championship that will go down as the biggest failure in the history of moto.
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munsch121 wrote:
The Alessi family will never accept the fact that their amateur program doesn't work in the pro ranks......If Mike Alessi doesn't win a major championship that...
The Alessi family will never accept the fact that their amateur program doesn't work in the pro ranks......If Mike Alessi doesn't win a major championship that will go down as the biggest failure in the history of moto.
Yep like no other dominate Amateur has bombed out, Alessi has come very close to winning Championships, There are others that struggled to top 5 or 10 in a series.

Your comment is just stupid.
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mjskier 10/19/2011 12:54pm
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Maybe I should qualify my post, Genova is an idiot in this instance.

It depends on why he is doing it.
What product does motoconcepts make? None of them are going to make you faster on a bike.
Hiring Mike is putting the company in the news. Certainly a lot more than a Tommy Hahn or Jake Canada ever did.
Hell, I didn't even know what that company did until they hired CP.
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Mini Elsinore 10/19/2011 1:10pm
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When you lose interest in a business that is still viable, you try and sell it. Sometimes, the best way to sell it is to integrate the prospective owner into the existing operations. This is especially true if the prospective owner intends to 'finance' a portion of the purchase through future revenues, as the current burned-out owner will want to ensure a successful transition so as to get the full purchase price rather than just the down payment.

I'm not saying Genova is burned-out. I don't know the man and have no insight into his situation/strategy. I'm not saying this is a 'purchase play' by Alessi. But, Genova is a businessman and the sport isn't returning the metrics it used to generate. If Tony wants a team, it will be cheaper to step into existing shoes.

This is a general proposition about how business are frequently bought and sold, and not a commentary on MotoConcepts.
Hell, I'm wondering why I am even posting this, so feel free to call me out or delete.
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munsch121 wrote:
The Alessi family will never accept the fact that their amateur program doesn't work in the pro ranks......If Mike Alessi doesn't win a major championship that...
The Alessi family will never accept the fact that their amateur program doesn't work in the pro ranks......If Mike Alessi doesn't win a major championship that will go down as the biggest failure in the history of moto.
Cannondale just took their shirts off...

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