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Re-chassis = $8k-ish
That's an impossible assumption without having any clue on costs.
The idea that the price of any of the bikes is "artificial" is also silly.
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It's not complicated. The price of the bikes will be similiar to KTM and Yamaha. Even if they only update cosmetically the price is still going to be on par with KTM and Yamaha. If they redisign the bike, then the bike will be towards the higher end of this price gap. If you think they would ever MSRP them for the 2008 value MSRP, ha! Why on earth would they sell a product for cheaper when they know they can get a higher MSRP? They wouldn't. It's called maximizing profit.
The RM 250 05+ bikes paid for themselves and the R&D $$ to go along with. This is one reason why it was so easy for them to cut back sales. Companies like suzuki spend so much money, time, and R&D on their new four strokes that they have to push those 4 stroke lines to start bringing maximum revenue to cover their defecits.
I'm all for it thought. If they released a 2012 RM250 I would be pre-ordering one ASAP.
That's part of what makes your questioning FTE's economics acumen so ironic........
And no, selling 3 times the product doesn't guarantee making more in profit. Most of us who've been in business know that first hand.
I know you're asking about a 2012 model, but I think everyone knows that there is no reputable evidence of any Japanese company, other than Yamaha that has any desire or ambition to ever produce another 2-stroke for the United States. In fact, I bet Yamaha will soon discontinue the YZs. Sure, it would be nice, and they would sell out immediately for several years (regardless of the price), but it will never happen. I realize this may be harsh, but Honda has stated over and over that 2-stroke it never wanted 2-strokes, but only made them because they didn't want to get beat in the Nats. Suzuki quit making a large bore 2-stroke after 1984 and refused to make one since. Yamaha followed suit in 1992. They held on with their antiquated YZ490 and eventually discontinued it.
IMO 2-strokes will only come from Europe. The Japs will cut their dirt bikes before they produce a 2-stroke (and severely punish the AMA if they try to change the rules for them).
Very few of us know each other's situation. Even here in Jersey where the recession has been considerably less impactful compared to other regions of the country, people are hurting.
Lots of Honda Motorcycle dealers are on the ropes around here. Powersport Honda, which was one of those "Everything Honda" dealerships with a HUGE showroom displaying every single Bike and ATV Honda made, is now in a different building about 1/10th the size, because they aren't selling much.
Also, Hanover Power Sports which was another of the big Honda Dealerships around here just moved a few doors down the highway. They went from having a large showroom (1000 Square Feet +) full of offroad bikes back before the industry tried it's Fooper scheme, to having an offroad showroom the size of a single room at Holiday Inn Express. And what was really comical last time I was there was that most of that room they had was taken up by 3 Dusty CRF150's, one of them from 2008.... and 4 Dust Gathering 250 SXF's that weren't going anywhere very soon from what it looked like....
If I was a Honda Dealer right now, or any poor seller locked into a 100% BLUMPER showroom.... Or if I was someone who even worked at one of those places and was hoping to keep my job... I'd act a lot like 500 Guy.
He's not having a flare because someone said their 2 stroke was better, or faster, or lighter... He's flaring this time just because people think that a line of bikes they want to buy may become available here agaiin after being absent for a long time.
The only reason to be upset about Suzuki Re-Introducing the RM's here is if you're somehow personally invested in the Fooper's market share.
If I worked at "Powersport Honda", I might feel like this "RM's back in the USA" thing was not good, especially with so many of our Big Red Foopers sitting around.
For anyone who doesn't need to HOPE HOPE HOPE the new Foopers sell.... This is either no big deal to you, like you won't even notice, OR IT'S VERY COOL NEWS!!!
By the way 500guy. Welcome to the dumbass list, if you wanna argue that 3 times sales won't bring more profit on an RM in the scenario given. When the RM hits US land, your avatar officially becomes "Fail." Not: "dead or not coming back." Like you've posted so many times. Funny how all you guys make fun of me, but I keep on showing you I'm right as time passes.
I was parked next to don maeda from transworld he saw my 06 rm250 walked over and flat out told me that was the best 250 2 stroke ever made even after they tested the 12 ktm250sx he said the RM was still a little better.....we should be THANKFUL Suzuki decided to start importing them again not crying about it .... I will ride them forever as imo they are the best bikes I've ever ridden. Guess my numerous calls to their marketing dept might have made a difference I have called them numerous time telling them they would sell out each and every year if they started importing them again and refered them to vital and had them look up all the 2 stroke threads to see how many people would love to have the option to buy them again.
Since Travis claimed to have bought out all the old stock of them hearing ping say that was the best news UBS heard all year and he said it came from someone that would know
Why does MXA harp on two-strokes when Yamaha is the only Japanese manufacturer to make them?
Dear MXA,
MXA is the only magazine that even wastes time and space to test two-strokes anymore. Isn’t it obvious that the motorcycle manufacturers don’t make them anymore. Yamaha is the only Japanese two-stroke left. Give it up!
MXA is not telling you what to buy and we aren’t anti-four-stroke. We just want to see affordable motorcycles offered to the public (not to mention bikes that can be fixed in a garage by its owner for about one-fourth the cost of a four-stroke rebuild). If you don’t want a two-stroke, or have some schizoid fear of them, don’t buy one…but the motorcycle industry is rapidly pricing itself out of the budgets of the people who made this sport popular in the first place. And the costs aren’t just the initial investment in the machine, but also its upkeep, labor costs and parts bill. We test every bike made and you don’t have to be a high school graduate to see that the number of four-stroke tests and articles in MXA far outweigh the number of two-stroke stories. The interplay between the two types of engines seems to set people’s nerves on end…and they want to defend their $9000 purchase by trying to stop people from buying the other type.
The 2011 Suzuki RM250 sells for 2000 British Pounds less than the RM-Z450 in England. That is $3146 less.
Additionally, Yamaha is not the only manufacturer to still make two-strokes. Suzuki still manufactures the RM125 and RM250—but U.S. Suzuki does not import them. We have included pages from Suzuki of Great Britain showing that they sell the bikes. You can go to www.suzuki-gb.co.uk to see for yourself.
Also, Italian manufacturer TM and British-brand Maico have new American importers. And, you conveniently forgot KTM, who sells more two-strokes than any other manufacturer and might well be on its way to being the number one selling brand for offroad motorcycles in the near future.
At 4288 British Pounds, the 2011 RM250 is a bargain over the 6331 pound RM-Z250. The RM125 costs $3313 less than the 250 four-stroke in Great Britain.
Link to Suzuki RM's in Great Britain... Suzuki - UK
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I have seen the RM125 offered overseas every year after they stopped being sold here.
Sooooooooo, how is it?
Just the fact that you believe Suzuki simply blindly makes numbers up to decide on the number of bikes to build and ship says plenty. Obviously you've not been involved in any major commerce, or you'd understand the data gathering and interpreting concepts that go into production decisions. It's clear, however, that it is completely foreign to you.
Just out of curiosity, do you truly believe you'd triple your sales of forslyk if you dropped the price by 15%? If so, why haven't you? Obviously you'd make a lot more money selling it at $30 than you have at $50, so what's the hold up?
Oh yeah, not even you believes your crap..........
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