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Damm, another kawi/pc rider injured. We're only  in january

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1/14/2023 10:22am

Maybe Mitch is the one who needs a change of scenery 

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1/14/2023 12:54pm
MX Guy wrote:

Maybe Mitch is the one who needs a change of scenery 

I don't think there is enough Coors Light in Corona to get him out of this funk.

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1/14/2023 12:59pm
MX Guy wrote:

Maybe Mitch is the one who needs a change of scenery 

Kinda been wondering the same thing. Seems PC and Kawi can’t keep their riders healthy consistently anymore from amateurs through 450.

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1/14/2023 1:33pm

too bad. wanted to see him race deegan

"He will get there when it's time..."

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1/14/2023 3:43pm

Poor kid. Hopefully he’ll be back and at it soon. 

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1/14/2023 4:05pm
MX Guy wrote:

Maybe Mitch is the one who needs a change of scenery 

I was thinking the same thing. When will/would Mitch & PC ever move on from Kawi? 

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Pro Circuit should to put their riders in FastHouse gear.  Their slogans match up perfectly as of late. 


“We race sometimes.” 

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1/14/2023 8:39pm

Can't blame kawi.  Injures are part of the sport and some riders are simply always injured. Both Ryder and Jett spent pretty much all there time after minis hurt.  They were crazy fast on minis, then hurt non-stop since.  

History has kind of shown that riders that are constantly hurt, tend to have careers full of being constantly injured.  Some just bounce up, some don't.🤷‍♀️

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1/15/2023 3:31am

Try riding at that level without getting hurt once in a while. You can’t, we ride at a level that keeps us safe. These guys are expected to win races. They are on a level we can’t even comprehend. 

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prozach wrote:
Can't blame kawi.  Injures are part of the sport and some riders are simply always injured. Both Ryder and Jett spent pretty much all there time...

Can't blame kawi.  Injures are part of the sport and some riders are simply always injured. Both Ryder and Jett spent pretty much all there time after minis hurt.  They were crazy fast on minis, then hurt non-stop since.  

History has kind of shown that riders that are constantly hurt, tend to have careers full of being constantly injured.  Some just bounce up, some don't.🤷‍♀️

You can blame Kawi/PC when it becomes a trend. Looks at the list of injuries their riders have that make them miss races/seasons.

Ryder, Jett, McAdoo, Forkner, Hammaker (could be wrong here?), AC. 
 

that’s almost their whole lineup from amateur to 450 that consistently keep having issues.

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I just find it crazy that the two best riders on his team were not even on his radar until well after they turned pro. And honestly kinda felt like pity hires after geico closed. 

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prozach wrote:
Can't blame kawi.  Injures are part of the sport and some riders are simply always injured. Both Ryder and Jett spent pretty much all there time...

Can't blame kawi.  Injures are part of the sport and some riders are simply always injured. Both Ryder and Jett spent pretty much all there time after minis hurt.  They were crazy fast on minis, then hurt non-stop since.  

History has kind of shown that riders that are constantly hurt, tend to have careers full of being constantly injured.  Some just bounce up, some don't.🤷‍♀️

vdrsnk04 wrote:
You can blame Kawi/PC when it becomes a trend. Looks at the list of injuries their riders have that make them miss races/seasons. Ryder, Jett, McAdoo...

You can blame Kawi/PC when it becomes a trend. Looks at the list of injuries their riders have that make them miss races/seasons.

Ryder, Jett, McAdoo, Forkner, Hammaker (could be wrong here?), AC. 
 

that’s almost their whole lineup from amateur to 450 that consistently keep having issues.

I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. 

 

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1/15/2023 8:04am
prozach wrote:
Can't blame kawi.  Injures are part of the sport and some riders are simply always injured. Both Ryder and Jett spent pretty much all there time...

Can't blame kawi.  Injures are part of the sport and some riders are simply always injured. Both Ryder and Jett spent pretty much all there time after minis hurt.  They were crazy fast on minis, then hurt non-stop since.  

History has kind of shown that riders that are constantly hurt, tend to have careers full of being constantly injured.  Some just bounce up, some don't.🤷‍♀️

vdrsnk04 wrote:
You can blame Kawi/PC when it becomes a trend. Looks at the list of injuries their riders have that make them miss races/seasons. Ryder, Jett, McAdoo...

You can blame Kawi/PC when it becomes a trend. Looks at the list of injuries their riders have that make them miss races/seasons.

Ryder, Jett, McAdoo, Forkner, Hammaker (could be wrong here?), AC. 
 

that’s almost their whole lineup from amateur to 450 that consistently keep having issues.

prozach wrote:
I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. ...

I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. 

 

I’ve said it before, but I think their incentive heavy contracts are partially to blame. These kids are young and hungry and when you have to win to earn anything for your efforts it magnifies things in the wrong way more often than not.

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1/15/2023 8:12am
vdrsnk04 wrote:
You can blame Kawi/PC when it becomes a trend. Looks at the list of injuries their riders have that make them miss races/seasons. Ryder, Jett, McAdoo...

You can blame Kawi/PC when it becomes a trend. Looks at the list of injuries their riders have that make them miss races/seasons.

Ryder, Jett, McAdoo, Forkner, Hammaker (could be wrong here?), AC. 
 

that’s almost their whole lineup from amateur to 450 that consistently keep having issues.

prozach wrote:
I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. ...

I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. 

 

JazzyJJ wrote:
I’ve said it before, but I think their incentive heavy contracts are partially to blame. These kids are young and hungry and when you have to...

I’ve said it before, but I think their incentive heavy contracts are partially to blame. These kids are young and hungry and when you have to win to earn anything for your efforts it magnifies things in the wrong way more often than not.

You don't think Star and the factory teams expect winning?  Bobby Regan is known for this and has little patience for a rider not at the front.  None of us have seen the contracts and I would assume Mitch's are consistent with other factory teams or he would not attract these riders.  He used to be very boss heavy and less salary than others because he was clearly the best, but not anymore.

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1/15/2023 8:17am
vdrsnk04 wrote:
You can blame Kawi/PC when it becomes a trend. Looks at the list of injuries their riders have that make them miss races/seasons. Ryder, Jett, McAdoo...

You can blame Kawi/PC when it becomes a trend. Looks at the list of injuries their riders have that make them miss races/seasons.

Ryder, Jett, McAdoo, Forkner, Hammaker (could be wrong here?), AC. 
 

that’s almost their whole lineup from amateur to 450 that consistently keep having issues.

prozach wrote:
I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. ...

I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. 

 

JazzyJJ wrote:
I’ve said it before, but I think their incentive heavy contracts are partially to blame. These kids are young and hungry and when you have to...

I’ve said it before, but I think their incentive heavy contracts are partially to blame. These kids are young and hungry and when you have to win to earn anything for your efforts it magnifies things in the wrong way more often than not.

Id say the star team is even more injured the last few years than pc.  They start with more riders and still almost ran out of riders last year.  

They had 3 of the fastest riders in 250sx, that were all hurt by the end of round one last year and never even raced.  

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1/15/2023 9:39am
prozach wrote:
Can't blame kawi.  Injures are part of the sport and some riders are simply always injured. Both Ryder and Jett spent pretty much all there time...

Can't blame kawi.  Injures are part of the sport and some riders are simply always injured. Both Ryder and Jett spent pretty much all there time after minis hurt.  They were crazy fast on minis, then hurt non-stop since.  

History has kind of shown that riders that are constantly hurt, tend to have careers full of being constantly injured.  Some just bounce up, some don't.🤷‍♀️

vdrsnk04 wrote:
You can blame Kawi/PC when it becomes a trend. Looks at the list of injuries their riders have that make them miss races/seasons. Ryder, Jett, McAdoo...

You can blame Kawi/PC when it becomes a trend. Looks at the list of injuries their riders have that make them miss races/seasons.

Ryder, Jett, McAdoo, Forkner, Hammaker (could be wrong here?), AC. 
 

that’s almost their whole lineup from amateur to 450 that consistently keep having issues.

prozach wrote:
I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. ...

I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. 

 

Notice all the people I mentioned aside from one were groomed as kids through their amateur program (Tomac/Anderson were not) That team’s process is building injury prone riders.

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1/15/2023 10:47am
vdrsnk04 wrote:
You can blame Kawi/PC when it becomes a trend. Looks at the list of injuries their riders have that make them miss races/seasons. Ryder, Jett, McAdoo...

You can blame Kawi/PC when it becomes a trend. Looks at the list of injuries their riders have that make them miss races/seasons.

Ryder, Jett, McAdoo, Forkner, Hammaker (could be wrong here?), AC. 
 

that’s almost their whole lineup from amateur to 450 that consistently keep having issues.

prozach wrote:
I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. ...

I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. 

 

vdrsnk04 wrote:
Notice all the people I mentioned aside from one were groomed as kids through their amateur program (Tomac/Anderson were not) That team’s process is building injury...

Notice all the people I mentioned aside from one were groomed as kids through their amateur program (Tomac/Anderson were not) That team’s process is building injury prone riders.

That program also groomed RC, Stewart, and RV.  I remember all of them being pretty bad ass and successful.  

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1/15/2023 11:11am
prozach wrote:
I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. ...

I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. 

 

vdrsnk04 wrote:
Notice all the people I mentioned aside from one were groomed as kids through their amateur program (Tomac/Anderson were not) That team’s process is building injury...

Notice all the people I mentioned aside from one were groomed as kids through their amateur program (Tomac/Anderson were not) That team’s process is building injury prone riders.

prozach wrote:

That program also groomed RC, Stewart, and RV.  I remember all of them being pretty bad ass and successful.  

20 years ago….

 

notice we are saying it needs a change…

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1/15/2023 7:22pm
prozach wrote:
Can't blame kawi.  Injures are part of the sport and some riders are simply always injured. Both Ryder and Jett spent pretty much all there time...

Can't blame kawi.  Injures are part of the sport and some riders are simply always injured. Both Ryder and Jett spent pretty much all there time after minis hurt.  They were crazy fast on minis, then hurt non-stop since.  

History has kind of shown that riders that are constantly hurt, tend to have careers full of being constantly injured.  Some just bounce up, some don't.🤷‍♀️

Your right about that .It would be terrible if two of the winningest  amateur riders of all time didnt get to show what they have as pros. 

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1/15/2023 10:28pm Edited Date/Time 1/15/2023 10:31pm
prozach wrote:
Can't blame kawi.  Injures are part of the sport and some riders are simply always injured. Both Ryder and Jett spent pretty much all there time...

Can't blame kawi.  Injures are part of the sport and some riders are simply always injured. Both Ryder and Jett spent pretty much all there time after minis hurt.  They were crazy fast on minis, then hurt non-stop since.  

History has kind of shown that riders that are constantly hurt, tend to have careers full of being constantly injured.  Some just bounce up, some don't.🤷‍♀️

vdrsnk04 wrote:
You can blame Kawi/PC when it becomes a trend. Looks at the list of injuries their riders have that make them miss races/seasons. Ryder, Jett, McAdoo...

You can blame Kawi/PC when it becomes a trend. Looks at the list of injuries their riders have that make them miss races/seasons.

Ryder, Jett, McAdoo, Forkner, Hammaker (could be wrong here?), AC. 
 

that’s almost their whole lineup from amateur to 450 that consistently keep having issues.

I don't know much about the Rookies however McAdoo, Fornker and AC are all prone to crashing nothing to do with the bike, whilst Shimoda generally stays upright.

McAdoo and Forkner have yet to prove they can handle their max speed.

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1/15/2023 11:18pm Edited Date/Time 1/15/2023 11:27pm
prozach wrote:
I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. ...

I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. 

 

vdrsnk04 wrote:
Notice all the people I mentioned aside from one were groomed as kids through their amateur program (Tomac/Anderson were not) That team’s process is building injury...

Notice all the people I mentioned aside from one were groomed as kids through their amateur program (Tomac/Anderson were not) That team’s process is building injury prone riders.

prozach wrote:

That program also groomed RC, Stewart, and RV.  I remember all of them being pretty bad ass and successful.  

Rc and Stewart were on 125s and RV was on an ancient, by todays standards 250f. If I was Mitch I'd look into other bikes, Honda, KTM, Husky, and even Gasgas only have in house Factory 250f riders. I'm sure anyone of those teams would love to get PC to use their bikes, not to mention they would gladly pay good money. From 450 to 250 the Kawasaki riders don't look too happy or are constantly getting hurt. Look at all the PC 250 guys who have been laid out over the years. Eli, RV, AC, Weimer, and Bubba all looked miserable on race days. They also imo screwed Savatgy (again) over after he put in some great rides for them last summer, and yes I would take present results Savatgy over AC. Especially with the salary difference and recent results. Anderson seems ok so far, but let's see what happens year. AC is out there taking hallucinogenics with some South American hippies like Aaron Rodgers to get his head right. 

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vdrsnk04 wrote:
You can blame Kawi/PC when it becomes a trend. Looks at the list of injuries their riders have that make them miss races/seasons. Ryder, Jett, McAdoo...

You can blame Kawi/PC when it becomes a trend. Looks at the list of injuries their riders have that make them miss races/seasons.

Ryder, Jett, McAdoo, Forkner, Hammaker (could be wrong here?), AC. 
 

that’s almost their whole lineup from amateur to 450 that consistently keep having issues.

prozach wrote:
I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. ...

I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. 

 

JazzyJJ wrote:
I’ve said it before, but I think their incentive heavy contracts are partially to blame. These kids are young and hungry and when you have to...

I’ve said it before, but I think their incentive heavy contracts are partially to blame. These kids are young and hungry and when you have to win to earn anything for your efforts it magnifies things in the wrong way more often than not.

When thinking about it.

I disagree with this statement.

Not often a pc rider has crash out and got injured while in a position to be earning bonuses.

Forkner is 2020 yeah. Mcadoo atlanta and That's about it.

If they were crashing out trying to win bonuses there would be more crashes like jett vs ferrandis. 

Most of the time they are getting injured while training/ doing stupid shit in practice. Or they crash out in 9th place. 

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1/15/2023 11:37pm Edited Date/Time 1/15/2023 11:45pm

" yea well race him when it's tyyyme"

Where was this from? I see it referenced a lot, I'm assuming a pod cast but which one?

1/17/2023 8:09am

" yea well race him when it's tyyyme"

chump6784 wrote:

Where was this from? I see it referenced a lot, I'm assuming a pod cast but which one?

Jason Weigant (I believe) was doing an impression of Brian Deegan on PulpMX; that sound bite became a "drop" that was very frequently used until Jim Holley provided a ton of new "drops" from the episode he co-hosted. I think Deegan originally said the "we'll race him when its time" on a vlog at one of the mini events, which is where Weedge got it from.

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prozach wrote:
I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. ...

I mean I guess you can blame them for hiring injury prone riders.  But shimoda, tomac and Anderson were all/ have been pretty healthy in them. 

 

Honestly I wouldn't doubt it if Kawasaki is the main problem here. Putting way to much pressure on young riders to win. Maybe Mitch needs a different manufacturer in his semi. Maybe Triumph once they arrive!!!?

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