Deegan hit the lapper?

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7/7/2024 5:14pm
Motoxdoc wrote:
I hate when people post stuff expecting you to install an app to watch it. I’m not interested in Insta, meta or X.  On another note...

I hate when people post stuff expecting you to install an app to watch it. I’m not interested in Insta, meta or X. 
On another note who the fuck puts a flagger on the backside of a blind sided table top?… they’re doing it wrong. And I doubt it’s the flaggers fault; he probably said, sure I would love to flag. What do I do?  I blame the person who hired him and answered that question. 

the1casey wrote:
It’s the only place that video is available. If you don’t have instagram just move right along. 

It’s the only place that video is available. If you don’t have instagram just move right along. 

Matt Burkeen has the best angle i’ve seen of it at 14:06 in his most recent video.

Matt Burkeen has the best angle i’ve seen of it at 14:06 in his most recent video.

It's crazy, Matt always seems to be in position filming. He catches everything 

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7/7/2024 5:51pm

I didn't read the thread, but I was sitting at the tabletop and watched the whole thing go down.  Lapper went over the bars (seen on the showing of the race).  The flagger was asleep on the job and had his flag rolled up like a total rookie.  That is my biggest pet peeve with flaggers, especially flaggers with an official AMA shirt.  If your supposed to be a professional at your drop, and dress the part, you better be able to play the part when its your time.  Rant over on the flagger.  When Deegan landed on his bike it was insane that only Deegan landed on it, there were guys landing all around the bike.  The remarkable part is how quickly Deegan got back to his feet, picked up the bike, and took off.  He's an incredible athlete and wants it.  I'm not a fan boy but you can't deny the grit in him, money doesn't buy that, you're born with it.  

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7/7/2024 6:49pm
Motoxdoc wrote:
I hate when people post stuff expecting you to install an app to watch it. I’m not interested in Insta, meta or X.  On another note...

I hate when people post stuff expecting you to install an app to watch it. I’m not interested in Insta, meta or X. 
On another note who the fuck puts a flagger on the backside of a blind sided table top?… they’re doing it wrong. And I doubt it’s the flaggers fault; he probably said, sure I would love to flag. What do I do?  I blame the person who hired him and answered that question. 

the1casey wrote:
It’s the only place that video is available. If you don’t have instagram just move right along. 

It’s the only place that video is available. If you don’t have instagram just move right along. 

Matt Burkeen has the best angle i’ve seen of it at 14:06 in his most recent video.

Matt Burkeen has the best angle i’ve seen of it at 14:06 in his most recent video.

Kudo's to Mattty 2 Stroke. He always seems to be in a spot to catch something nobody else can. As impressive is his riding, his camera work may be ever better.

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7/7/2024 6:54pm
the1casey wrote:
Motoxdoc wrote:
I hate when people post stuff expecting you to install an app to watch it. I’m not interested in Insta, meta or X.  On another note...

I hate when people post stuff expecting you to install an app to watch it. I’m not interested in Insta, meta or X. 
On another note who the fuck puts a flagger on the backside of a blind sided table top?… they’re doing it wrong. And I doubt it’s the flaggers fault; he probably said, sure I would love to flag. What do I do?  I blame the person who hired him and answered that question. 

Dave v3.0 wrote:

Here ya go.  Just click and watch.

The flagger situation is horrible this year.

https://youtube.com/shorts/d-wg9xCwO2Y?si=AQdLddo59MHuN_GU

Problem is it was an AMA official and he had the blue flag out. Why it took him so long to get the yellow only he and the guy on the Honda knows. Not saying it could have been prevented unless the guy had cat like reflexes and that is a hard NO.

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7/7/2024 7:40pm
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This happened right in front of us, the flagger that was on top of the jump had time and the one on the blind side of...

This happened right in front of us, the flagger that was on top of the jump had time and the one on the blind side of the jump just stood there. He should have been running up to the jump and flagging along with the flagger on the top should have dropped the damn blue flag and been waving the yellow. It seemed like there was enough time to help Deegs avoid this with proper flagging IMHO. Everyone on the side of the track was yelling to "wave the damn flag!" at the flaggers. Even after Deegs went down, they still took a long time to start waving the yellow. Maybe it would not have made a difference but to all of us standing there at the fence watching in real time, it seemed the flaggers did not do an adequate job.... seemed like a huge cluster **** that could have seriously injured any rider. Glad to see that Deegs seemed OK, as for the rider that initially crashed he was not walking on his left foot. Seemed in a lot of pain and the EMS carted him off in the mule so hopefully nothing too serious...

The flagger standing past the incident is technically responsible for the next section and the flaggers are told not to leave their positions. I was more concerned he wasn’t watching his section and staring back at Deegan lying on the ground but I’d imagine that crash was hard to take your eyes off of. That AMA official looked pissed grabbing the yellow flag out of that sleepy flaggers hand. 

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7/7/2024 7:43pm
Motoxdoc wrote:
I hate when people post stuff expecting you to install an app to watch it. I’m not interested in Insta, meta or X.  On another note...

I hate when people post stuff expecting you to install an app to watch it. I’m not interested in Insta, meta or X. 
On another note who the fuck puts a flagger on the backside of a blind sided table top?… they’re doing it wrong. And I doubt it’s the flaggers fault; he probably said, sure I would love to flag. What do I do?  I blame the person who hired him and answered that question. 

Dave v3.0 wrote:

Here ya go.  Just click and watch.

The flagger situation is horrible this year.

https://youtube.com/shorts/d-wg9xCwO2Y?si=AQdLddo59MHuN_GU

MxAddic wrote:
Problem is it was an AMA official and he had the blue flag out. Why it took him so long to get the yellow only he...

Problem is it was an AMA official and he had the blue flag out. Why it took him so long to get the yellow only he and the guy on the Honda knows. Not saying it could have been prevented unless the guy had cat like reflexes and that is a hard NO.

It almost seemed like he looked around and couldn’t find the yellow flag. He was looking down at the ground frantically, looks up briefly and the sleepy yellow flagger meanders his way towards the AMA official almost at exactly the same time as that second official roles up on the bike. What a mess. 

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7/8/2024 10:45am
My purpose of the thread was not to rag on Weege as I think he does an outstanding job.  I stay out of all the commentator...

My purpose of the thread was not to rag on Weege as I think he does an outstanding job.  I stay out of all the commentator bashing in regards to the what words they use, but in this case of Deegan's crash it should fall on the production crew.  As Village said above, the guys in the booth need a spotter as they can't be expected to see everything while they are trying to talk it up.  

With Deegan being the points leader and the one who's made racing most fun to watch this year, the spotter should always be tracking him if he's back in the pack.  If all of us can see him starting to make a charge from our couches and then he drops like a fly, then there's zero reason a spotter on the production team can't see this as well.  It happens often, but this one was really bad as there was a huge crash from the points leader and there was not one mention of it during or after the race.  I thought when they sent it down to Will that she was going to be reporting on this from the Yamaha rig.

That was a super gnarly crash and we're lucky Deegan is okay.

Sorry brother...I wasn't singling anyone out.  The race day vibe seems to be a bitchfest sometimes.  To be honest...the constant complaints are just as aggravating as the stuff being complained about...and there's plenty that could be better.  Really no excuse for not knowing/telling us about every move Deegs makes.  There's always someone going down but it's different if they're points leader.

Flagging definitely needs attention.  DC needs to give this some immediate action before it bites him bad.  (I'm a DC fan but I'm not blind).  

We're cool...right?

7/8/2024 11:04am
My purpose of the thread was not to rag on Weege as I think he does an outstanding job.  I stay out of all the commentator...

My purpose of the thread was not to rag on Weege as I think he does an outstanding job.  I stay out of all the commentator bashing in regards to the what words they use, but in this case of Deegan's crash it should fall on the production crew.  As Village said above, the guys in the booth need a spotter as they can't be expected to see everything while they are trying to talk it up.  

With Deegan being the points leader and the one who's made racing most fun to watch this year, the spotter should always be tracking him if he's back in the pack.  If all of us can see him starting to make a charge from our couches and then he drops like a fly, then there's zero reason a spotter on the production team can't see this as well.  It happens often, but this one was really bad as there was a huge crash from the points leader and there was not one mention of it during or after the race.  I thought when they sent it down to Will that she was going to be reporting on this from the Yamaha rig.

That was a super gnarly crash and we're lucky Deegan is okay.

plowboy wrote:
Sorry brother...I wasn't singling anyone out.  The race day vibe seems to be a bitchfest sometimes.  To be honest...the constant complaints are just as aggravating as...

Sorry brother...I wasn't singling anyone out.  The race day vibe seems to be a bitchfest sometimes.  To be honest...the constant complaints are just as aggravating as the stuff being complained about...and there's plenty that could be better.  Really no excuse for not knowing/telling us about every move Deegs makes.  There's always someone going down but it's different if they're points leader.

Flagging definitely needs attention.  DC needs to give this some immediate action before it bites him bad.  (I'm a DC fan but I'm not blind).  

We're cool...right?

Yes, and I very much agree with everything you said.  I don't partake in all the commentator bashing as I think they all do a good job for the most part.  However, I do think the broadcast team should try to be consistent and have a spotter on the points leader.  They did it in Supercross, and they would always provide an update on Jett if he had a bad race and was not on the podium.   

For Supercross, I still think the broadcast team needs to place a wide angle camera up high and record the whole race so if they don't capture a crash on the main cameras we can always scroll through and see what happened to the rider.  There's just too many riders that crash and we have no idea what happened until a fan in the stands posts a video from their phone.  We've seen this happen to top riders like Tomac in Supercross where the broadcast team missed the crash.

As for Outdoors I think they are doing a good job but we need to keep a spotter on the points leader and the flaggers definitely need some schooling.

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7/8/2024 12:16pm

Good to hear that Deegan is ok! But Damn that could have been so much uglier for him and the other dude (Bailey kroone) as I just read. 

In my little motocross world where I have organized races, we do what I hear they do in the AMA races which is surprising to me. 

Flaggers are volunteers and we give them a shirt and lunch for the day but we do make a meeting where we explain to them what they have to do and the must things to do and not do ( don´t move of your position, always have the yellow flag with you, don´t run to help the down rider, most of the times is more important to flag the zone to avoid more crashes and stuff like that) it´s pretty simple really and I don´t remember having problems with them. 

So for me to watch that dude not having the yellow flag ready and his so freaking slow reaction pisses me off! Is not that hard and is not the first time happening, how many times even the riders go and flag after seeing the flagger so clueless. 

I have worked for the WRC and rallies here in Mexico, we are volunteers but we do receive training and in order to work in those events you need credentials issued by the FIA. They should do something like that ASAP. 

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7/8/2024 12:21pm

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7/9/2024 7:23pm

Now that we've seen the video of Deegan's crash all over social media, do you think the broadcast team will cover it this Saturday and replay it at precisely the wrong time during the race??  LOL. Can't wait to see how they do this week.  

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