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Rand Paul: “Are you suggesting that members of Congress can physically fight each other? That this is somehow allowed under the rules?”

Mullin: “What I was simply pointing out is some of the rules that still apply to this body. For instance, dueling with two consenting adults is still there.”

Serious question, what actual rule is he referring to?

Because the only congressional rules tied to dueling were about disciplining members for it, not allowing it.

Is there even a single modern law or rule that says two people can legally duel?

Shouldn’t someone aspiring to a position like this have at least an inkling of the law instead of just parroting a myth that he’s heard somewhere?  

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It's pretty obvious that there is zero prerequisites to have literally any position in the government.  

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It's pretty obvious that there is zero prerequisites to have literally any position in the government.  

Only that Trump's shit be prominently displayed on the end of your nose. Other than that? 

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Lol you guys nailed it.

 

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I'm not at all into hero worship of politicians, but I do not mind being represented by Rand Paul and Thomas Massie.

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I'm not at all into hero worship of politicians, but I do not mind being represented by Rand Paul and Thomas Massie.

They at least have principles, rare to see in Washington 

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I'm not at all into hero worship of politicians, but I do not mind being represented by Rand Paul and Thomas Massie.

One of the things that Mullin mentioned was that he didn’t like Paul because he didn’t simply acquiesce to the rest of the Republican party. I don’t think that he realized how big of a compliment he was paying Paul. 

*** Not a Republican specific issue, just a comment on putting one’s constituents and principles above blind partisan loyalty. 

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Paul and Mullin have some long standing issues.  Paul called Mullin a liar, Mullin said that sometimes people need to have thier ass kicked. It's a bitchfest.

Give the cocksuckers a pair of 8OZ gloves and let them go at it until there's a clear winner, then the loser shuts the fuck up.

 

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Paul and Mullin have some long standing issues.  Paul called Mullin a liar, Mullin said that sometimes people need to have thier ass kicked. It's a...

Paul and Mullin have some long standing issues.  Paul called Mullin a liar, Mullin said that sometimes people need to have thier ass kicked. It's a bitchfest.

Give the cocksuckers a pair of 8OZ gloves and let them go at it until there's a clear winner, then the loser shuts the fuck up.

 

Little deeper than that. Paul actually got beat up pretty good by a neighbor a few years ago and Mullin more or less endorsed it in his usual tough guy fashion. 

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SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Paul and Mullin have some long standing issues.  Paul called Mullin a liar, Mullin said that sometimes people need to have thier ass kicked. It's a...

Paul and Mullin have some long standing issues.  Paul called Mullin a liar, Mullin said that sometimes people need to have thier ass kicked. It's a bitchfest.

Give the cocksuckers a pair of 8OZ gloves and let them go at it until there's a clear winner, then the loser shuts the fuck up.

 

Not sure that would solve any problems.

As dysfunctional as our system has become I don't want somebody moving up the chain just because they have MMA and wrestling experience.

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He’s all horned up again. 

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These are the people the democrats put in place when they had the authority to do so. At the same time they were telling us white supremacy was the biggest threat facing our nation. Some folks are quick to forget this. 
It’s ironic that democrats had no problem with this, but now have an issue with this guy.  
It’s also amusing that pussy gavin newsome is the front runner for being the nominee for president for the democrats. 

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SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Paul and Mullin have some long standing issues.  Paul called Mullin a liar, Mullin said that sometimes people need to have thier ass kicked. It's a...

Paul and Mullin have some long standing issues.  Paul called Mullin a liar, Mullin said that sometimes people need to have thier ass kicked. It's a bitchfest.

Give the cocksuckers a pair of 8OZ gloves and let them go at it until there's a clear winner, then the loser shuts the fuck up.

 

I downvoted this because it suggests that truth has no meaning and also promotes cowardice, which are two extremely unAmerican principles. 

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These are the people the democrats put in place when they had the authority to do so. At the same time they were telling us white...

These are the people the democrats put in place when they had the authority to do so. At the same time they were telling us white supremacy was the biggest threat facing our nation. Some folks are quick to forget this. 
It’s ironic that democrats had no problem with this, but now have an issue with this guy.  
It’s also amusing that pussy gavin newsome is the front runner for being the nominee for president for the democrats. 

Your country and the whole world is way more fucked up after 14 months of Trump than a whole 4 years of those colorful Dems you're so horned up about. Plain as day to anyone not suffering from partisan blindness.

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These are the people the democrats put in place when they had the authority to do so. At the same time they were telling us white...

These are the people the democrats put in place when they had the authority to do so. At the same time they were telling us white supremacy was the biggest threat facing our nation. Some folks are quick to forget this. 
It’s ironic that democrats had no problem with this, but now have an issue with this guy.  
It’s also amusing that pussy gavin newsome is the front runner for being the nominee for president for the democrats. 

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Your country and the whole world is way more fucked up after 14 months of Trump than a whole 4 years of those colorful Dems you're...

Your country and the whole world is way more fucked up after 14 months of Trump than a whole 4 years of those colorful Dems you're so horned up about. Plain as day to anyone not suffering from partisan blindness.

This all day long.  How anyone is still on the Trump train is beyond my ability to understand.  We just spent a few weeks in Argentina at a horse event with folks from all over the world.  The rest of the world is feeling pity for us.   Not respect, not fear, just pity.  It’s sad.  

 

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You guys are the only ones who look at that pic and think about being horny.

That pic is posted as a reminder to everyone how fucked up everything was the during the last administration that was run by democrats. These are the people the democrats put in charge of important government positions. The democrats pushed a dei and trannie agenda. They championed men competing with women in sports. The democrats opened our border to everyone and told us it was ok. Letting in dangerous criminals who have wreaked havoc on hard working, tax paying Americans.  They told us biden was competent when we all knew he wasn’t. Inflation was way up and Crime was up. Voting for a democrat is voting for bringing all this back. But you already know that. 

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APLMAN99 wrote:
Rand Paul: “Are you suggesting that members of Congress can physically fight each other? That this is somehow allowed under the rules?”Mullin: “What I was simply...

Rand Paul: “Are you suggesting that members of Congress can physically fight each other? That this is somehow allowed under the rules?”

Mullin: “What I was simply pointing out is some of the rules that still apply to this body. For instance, dueling with two consenting adults is still there.”

Serious question, what actual rule is he referring to?

Because the only congressional rules tied to dueling were about disciplining members for it, not allowing it.

Is there even a single modern law or rule that says two people can legally duel?

Shouldn’t someone aspiring to a position like this have at least an inkling of the law instead of just parroting a myth that he’s heard somewhere?  

I dont know about duel, but mutual combat law exists.  Consenting adults can legally engage in unarmed combat. 

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APLMAN99 wrote:
Rand Paul: “Are you suggesting that members of Congress can physically fight each other? That this is somehow allowed under the rules?”Mullin: “What I was simply...

Rand Paul: “Are you suggesting that members of Congress can physically fight each other? That this is somehow allowed under the rules?”

Mullin: “What I was simply pointing out is some of the rules that still apply to this body. For instance, dueling with two consenting adults is still there.”

Serious question, what actual rule is he referring to?

Because the only congressional rules tied to dueling were about disciplining members for it, not allowing it.

Is there even a single modern law or rule that says two people can legally duel?

Shouldn’t someone aspiring to a position like this have at least an inkling of the law instead of just parroting a myth that he’s heard somewhere?  

Flatliner wrote:

I dont know about duel, but mutual combat law exists.  Consenting adults can legally engage in unarmed combat. 

'Mutual combat’ isn’t some legal loophole, it just means both guys might get charged instead of one.

Some states recognize mutual combat as a mitigating factor, not a permission slip.  You can still be arrested and charged.  Serious harm is illegal everywhere.  Only regulated combat sports are truly legal fights.  If 'mutual combat' were actually legal, you wouldn’t need athletic commissions to sanction boxing matches.

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3/20/2026 9:01am Edited Date/Time 3/20/2026 9:03am
APLMAN99 wrote:
Rand Paul: “Are you suggesting that members of Congress can physically fight each other? That this is somehow allowed under the rules?”Mullin: “What I was simply...

Rand Paul: “Are you suggesting that members of Congress can physically fight each other? That this is somehow allowed under the rules?”

Mullin: “What I was simply pointing out is some of the rules that still apply to this body. For instance, dueling with two consenting adults is still there.”

Serious question, what actual rule is he referring to?

Because the only congressional rules tied to dueling were about disciplining members for it, not allowing it.

Is there even a single modern law or rule that says two people can legally duel?

Shouldn’t someone aspiring to a position like this have at least an inkling of the law instead of just parroting a myth that he’s heard somewhere?  

Flatliner wrote:

I dont know about duel, but mutual combat law exists.  Consenting adults can legally engage in unarmed combat. 

APLMAN99 wrote:
'Mutual combat’ isn’t some legal loophole, it just means both guys might get charged instead of one.Some states recognize mutual combat as a mitigating factor, not...

'Mutual combat’ isn’t some legal loophole, it just means both guys might get charged instead of one.

Some states recognize mutual combat as a mitigating factor, not a permission slip.  You can still be arrested and charged.  Serious harm is illegal everywhere.  Only regulated combat sports are truly legal fights.  If 'mutual combat' were actually legal, you wouldn’t need athletic commissions to sanction boxing matches.

I can ask around, but as far as I know... unless one guy is boot fucking the other,  responding officers aren't really worried about it as far as arrests and charges.

 

Edit, I asked.

 

You're right.  Its treated as anything else.

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This all day long.  How anyone is still on the Trump train is beyond my ability to understand.  We just spent a few weeks in Argentina...

This all day long.  How anyone is still on the Trump train is beyond my ability to understand.  We just spent a few weeks in Argentina at a horse event with folks from all over the world.  The rest of the world is feeling pity for us.   Not respect, not fear, just pity.  It’s sad.  

 

tanks mistew pwesident

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This all day long.  How anyone is still on the Trump train is beyond my ability to understand.  We just spent a few weeks in Argentina...

This all day long.  How anyone is still on the Trump train is beyond my ability to understand.  We just spent a few weeks in Argentina at a horse event with folks from all over the world.  The rest of the world is feeling pity for us.   Not respect, not fear, just pity.  It’s sad.  

 

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So your telling me - after the Argentinan Government has stripped its citizens of purchasing power, created hyper inflation, forced business closures, and floated the idea of a U.S. taxpayer bailout, they feel sorry for me? Javier Milei ran on the promise of fixing Argentina's issues, and proceeded to run it farther down the toilet, faster than his predecessors. Donald Trump ran on the promise of closing our southern border, reducing egregious Government spending, and reducing egg prices - and delivered. And Argentinan's are loosing sleep over me? Are you serious? 

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Flatliner wrote:

I dont know about duel, but mutual combat law exists.  Consenting adults can legally engage in unarmed combat. 

APLMAN99 wrote:
'Mutual combat’ isn’t some legal loophole, it just means both guys might get charged instead of one.Some states recognize mutual combat as a mitigating factor, not...

'Mutual combat’ isn’t some legal loophole, it just means both guys might get charged instead of one.

Some states recognize mutual combat as a mitigating factor, not a permission slip.  You can still be arrested and charged.  Serious harm is illegal everywhere.  Only regulated combat sports are truly legal fights.  If 'mutual combat' were actually legal, you wouldn’t need athletic commissions to sanction boxing matches.

Flatliner wrote:
I can ask around, but as far as I know... unless one guy is boot fucking the other,  responding officers aren't really worried about it as...

I can ask around, but as far as I know... unless one guy is boot fucking the other,  responding officers aren't really worried about it as far as arrests and charges.

 

Edit, I asked.

 

You're right.  Its treated as anything else.

Yeah, while there’s virtually no laws making it legal, whether or not an individual LEO exercises discretion on citing the combatants probably varies quite a bit!  

But back to the original point of the thread, it shouldn’t seem a stretch that a person who believes that dueling between House members is still legal probably isn’t the greatest candidate for a position that has a lot of questions to answer about use of force. 

 

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APLMAN99 wrote:
Rand Paul: “Are you suggesting that members of Congress can physically fight each other? That this is somehow allowed under the rules?”Mullin: “What I was simply...

Rand Paul: “Are you suggesting that members of Congress can physically fight each other? That this is somehow allowed under the rules?”

Mullin: “What I was simply pointing out is some of the rules that still apply to this body. For instance, dueling with two consenting adults is still there.”

Serious question, what actual rule is he referring to?

Because the only congressional rules tied to dueling were about disciplining members for it, not allowing it.

Is there even a single modern law or rule that says two people can legally duel?

Shouldn’t someone aspiring to a position like this have at least an inkling of the law instead of just parroting a myth that he’s heard somewhere?  

Flatliner wrote:

I dont know about duel, but mutual combat law exists.  Consenting adults can legally engage in unarmed combat. 

This is true.

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APLMAN99 wrote:
Yeah, while there’s virtually no laws making it legal, whether or not an individual LEO exercises discretion on citing the combatants probably varies quite a bit...

Yeah, while there’s virtually no laws making it legal, whether or not an individual LEO exercises discretion on citing the combatants probably varies quite a bit!  

But back to the original point of the thread, it shouldn’t seem a stretch that a person who believes that dueling between House members is still legal probably isn’t the greatest candidate for a position that has a lot of questions to answer about use of force. 

 

Or is he? It’s a tough job he’s going to do.

 If Biden was president still he could put  in Kamala, or Pete Butedgedge, or gavin newsome or some other fool who would be totally ineffective at the job. 

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APLMAN99 wrote:
'Mutual combat’ isn’t some legal loophole, it just means both guys might get charged instead of one.Some states recognize mutual combat as a mitigating factor, not...

'Mutual combat’ isn’t some legal loophole, it just means both guys might get charged instead of one.

Some states recognize mutual combat as a mitigating factor, not a permission slip.  You can still be arrested and charged.  Serious harm is illegal everywhere.  Only regulated combat sports are truly legal fights.  If 'mutual combat' were actually legal, you wouldn’t need athletic commissions to sanction boxing matches.

Flatliner wrote:
I can ask around, but as far as I know... unless one guy is boot fucking the other,  responding officers aren't really worried about it as...

I can ask around, but as far as I know... unless one guy is boot fucking the other,  responding officers aren't really worried about it as far as arrests and charges.

 

Edit, I asked.

 

You're right.  Its treated as anything else.

APLMAN99 wrote:
Yeah, while there’s virtually no laws making it legal, whether or not an individual LEO exercises discretion on citing the combatants probably varies quite a bit...

Yeah, while there’s virtually no laws making it legal, whether or not an individual LEO exercises discretion on citing the combatants probably varies quite a bit!  

But back to the original point of the thread, it shouldn’t seem a stretch that a person who believes that dueling between House members is still legal probably isn’t the greatest candidate for a position that has a lot of questions to answer about use of force. 

 

Putting it that succinctly made me laugh out loud at the absurdity of it, but that feeling was quickly replaced by just being sad again about how dumb our politics are. 

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You guys are the only ones who look at that pic and think about being horny.That pic is posted as a reminder to everyone how fucked...

You guys are the only ones who look at that pic and think about being horny.

That pic is posted as a reminder to everyone how fucked up everything was the during the last administration that was run by democrats. These are the people the democrats put in charge of important government positions. The democrats pushed a dei and trannie agenda. They championed men competing with women in sports. The democrats opened our border to everyone and told us it was ok. Letting in dangerous criminals who have wreaked havoc on hard working, tax paying Americans.  They told us biden was competent when we all knew he wasn’t. Inflation was way up and Crime was up. Voting for a democrat is voting for bringing all this back. But you already know that. 

Once again your saying things that aren’t based in fact violent crime is at a 20 year low at the end of Bidens term. Inflation was lower when Biden term ended than it is today under Trump. 
There was a spike in both around 2020 because of Covid. No other country was able to get inflation down and grown the economy anywhere close to what Biden did. 
 

Have you said Thank You once.

 

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R66 wrote:
You guys are the only ones who look at that pic and think about being horny.That pic is posted as a reminder to everyone how fucked...

You guys are the only ones who look at that pic and think about being horny.

That pic is posted as a reminder to everyone how fucked up everything was the during the last administration that was run by democrats. These are the people the democrats put in charge of important government positions. The democrats pushed a dei and trannie agenda. They championed men competing with women in sports. The democrats opened our border to everyone and told us it was ok. Letting in dangerous criminals who have wreaked havoc on hard working, tax paying Americans.  They told us biden was competent when we all knew he wasn’t. Inflation was way up and Crime was up. Voting for a democrat is voting for bringing all this back. But you already know that. 

matt.3150 wrote:
Once again your saying things that aren’t based in fact violent crime is at a 20 year low at the end of Bidens term. Inflation was...

Once again your saying things that aren’t based in fact violent crime is at a 20 year low at the end of Bidens term. Inflation was lower when Biden term ended than it is today under Trump. 
There was a spike in both around 2020 because of Covid. No other country was able to get inflation down and grown the economy anywhere close to what Biden did. 
 

Have you said Thank You once.

 

If you're going to claim to be the teller of truths here at lest acknowledge that all Biden stats are totally skewed by the fact that his term started during covid down times and comparisons are meaningless. 

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If you're going to claim to be the teller of truths here at lest acknowledge that all Biden stats are totally skewed by the fact that...

If you're going to claim to be the teller of truths here at lest acknowledge that all Biden stats are totally skewed by the fact that his term started during covid down times and comparisons are meaningless. 

If you are going to be the teller of truths, at least acknowledge that joe biden was barely able to function as a human, much less was he capable to run the country.  But most libs were ok with that. 

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You guys are the only ones who look at that pic and think about being horny.That pic is posted as a reminder to everyone how fucked...

You guys are the only ones who look at that pic and think about being horny.

That pic is posted as a reminder to everyone how fucked up everything was the during the last administration that was run by democrats. These are the people the democrats put in charge of important government positions. The democrats pushed a dei and trannie agenda. They championed men competing with women in sports. The democrats opened our border to everyone and told us it was ok. Letting in dangerous criminals who have wreaked havoc on hard working, tax paying Americans.  They told us biden was competent when we all knew he wasn’t. Inflation was way up and Crime was up. Voting for a democrat is voting for bringing all this back. But you already know that. 

matt.3150 wrote:
Once again your saying things that aren’t based in fact violent crime is at a 20 year low at the end of Bidens term. Inflation was...

Once again your saying things that aren’t based in fact violent crime is at a 20 year low at the end of Bidens term. Inflation was lower when Biden term ended than it is today under Trump. 
There was a spike in both around 2020 because of Covid. No other country was able to get inflation down and grown the economy anywhere close to what Biden did. 
 

Have you said Thank You once.

 

"no one was able to get inflation down like Biden"

 

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