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2/7/2022 7:53pm
EZZA 95B wrote:
That was quick... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/02/04/532165/s1200_IMG_8479.jpg[/img]
That was quick...



This is the guy in the video.





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Motoxdoc wrote:
I just watched Joe groveling on TV :lol: I have to voice my backing for Neil Young and Joni Mitchell on this one; IMO, Joe’s contributions...
I just watched Joe groveling on TV Grinning I have to voice my backing for Neil Young and Joni Mitchell on this one; IMO, Joe’s contributions to society seem to pale in comparison and the point they are making is valid and their actions seem to be working as my first sentence above indicates.
Your " backing " is actually beyond worthless. In fact , if every person on here went 180 degrees to what you think........they would be 100% correct. I'm sorry Joe hurt your feelings.

In fact , here is what CNN didn't tell you today. Joe was offered ( Today ) 100 million from Rumble to move his entire show over there , with no censorship. You really think he would need to " grovel " as you just stated?

Do you think he is begging for forgiveness over a video of him saying the N-word.........in which in every single one of those clips , was taken out of context? He was literally quoting someone else in every single one of those clips.

This shit is so far above your head you can't even fathom it. Do you know who actually put that video together? It's a far left organization owned by three brothers who have received millions of dollars from the DNC. This 100% fact.

Now........ask yourself , why would they want to de-platform Joe before 2024? Take a wild guess there....Doc.
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Motoxdoc wrote:
I just watched Joe groveling on TV :lol: I have to voice my backing for Neil Young and Joni Mitchell on this one; IMO, Joe’s contributions...
I just watched Joe groveling on TV Grinning I have to voice my backing for Neil Young and Joni Mitchell on this one; IMO, Joe’s contributions to society seem to pale in comparison and the point they are making is valid and their actions seem to be working as my first sentence above indicates.
jeffro503 wrote:
Your " backing " is actually beyond worthless. In fact , if every person on here went 180 degrees to what you think........they would be 100%...
Your " backing " is actually beyond worthless. In fact , if every person on here went 180 degrees to what you think........they would be 100% correct. I'm sorry Joe hurt your feelings.

In fact , here is what CNN didn't tell you today. Joe was offered ( Today ) 100 million from Rumble to move his entire show over there , with no censorship. You really think he would need to " grovel " as you just stated?

Do you think he is begging for forgiveness over a video of him saying the N-word.........in which in every single one of those clips , was taken out of context? He was literally quoting someone else in every single one of those clips.

This shit is so far above your head you can't even fathom it. Do you know who actually put that video together? It's a far left organization owned by three brothers who have received millions of dollars from the DNC. This 100% fact.

Now........ask yourself , why would they want to de-platform Joe before 2024? Take a wild guess there....Doc.
I couldn’t get past your first paragraph; It was so senseless that I felt like the rest didn’t deserve attention. I applaud you on your efforts, though I feel like a specific reply to your assertions on my part would be succumbing to your level of intellect. Rather than taking offense and making wrong assumptions, you could’ve saved time by saying, “I like Joe. I think Joe is right and I think you’re wrong.” You’re welcome!Dry
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Lucky he wasn't spreading medical mis/disinformation! NBC would have never hired him. If the mods remove this, fair enough.👍 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/02/08/532556/s1200_Stern_2.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/02/08/532557/s1200_Stern.jpg[/img] View this post on Instagram ...
Lucky he wasn't spreading medical mis/disinformation! NBC would have never hired him.
If the mods remove this, fair enough.👍





Stern is part of the Elite Left now so all is forgiven.
No idea what is happening with all these once proud supporters of freedom and speech, is it old age?
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The biggest thing that pisses me off, is I have not seen any of these mainstream "scientists" disapprove anything he or Peter McCullough have said. All...
The biggest thing that pisses me off, is I have not seen any of these mainstream "scientists" disapprove anything he or Peter McCullough have said. All I read is "spreading misinformation" with nothing to back it up

I know theres a good few pro vax on here, I am open to reading any studies that can show what they have said as misinformation as I have found nothing
Not a Rogan guest but this guy goes thru Dr McCullough's talking points and gives some more insight, so.times he agrees, sometimes he disagrees with them.
https://youtu.be/8pcIbVvHI2c

Rumble has been trying to be the right wing youtube for a while it's funny that alot of you haven't even heard of it until this stunt.
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The biggest thing that pisses me off, is I have not seen any of these mainstream "scientists" disapprove anything he or Peter McCullough have said. All...
The biggest thing that pisses me off, is I have not seen any of these mainstream "scientists" disapprove anything he or Peter McCullough have said. All I read is "spreading misinformation" with nothing to back it up

I know theres a good few pro vax on here, I am open to reading any studies that can show what they have said as misinformation as I have found nothing
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Not a Rogan guest but this guy goes thru Dr McCullough's talking points and gives some more insight, so.times he agrees, sometimes he disagrees with them...
Not a Rogan guest but this guy goes thru Dr McCullough's talking points and gives some more insight, so.times he agrees, sometimes he disagrees with them.
https://youtu.be/8pcIbVvHI2c

Rumble has been trying to be the right wing youtube for a while it's funny that alot of you haven't even heard of it until this stunt.
So what.
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swordfish wrote:
So what.
Cable asked for a repudiation of the vaccine information presented by the guests on Rogan. I posted a video of just that. So what?
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swordfish wrote:
So what.
early wrote:
Cable asked for a repudiation of the vaccine information presented by the guests on Rogan. I posted a video of just that. So what?
Cable asked for a repudiation of the vaccine information presented by the guests on Rogan. I posted a video of just that. So what?
Read some of the comments on YouTube, some very relevant comments. What we really need to see is someone step up on Rogans platform and have an honest debate or discussion with someone like Malone. No one seems to want to do that. Pretty telling isn’t it?
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I remember when Neil was all about "Keep on Rockin' in a Free World"...or when Hippies were about "The Man" leaving people alone... Now, he...& Joni...
I remember when Neil was all about "Keep on Rockin' in a Free World"...or when Hippies were about "The Man" leaving people alone...

Now, he...& Joni Mitchell...and all the other "Rebels"...are all weak, scared, woke and quite pathetic old followers of the mainstream narrative. That's just sad.

I wonder, have they EVEN LISTENED to ANYTHING they're talking shit about?

Ya know, it wasn't until Neil had his little tantrum that I actually subscribed to Joe and LISTENED to the Dr. Malone episode...#1757...and ya know what? It's an ACTUAL interview of a Dr. (aka, a real physician) ...that by the way...is also an actual SCIENTIST credited with being a major contributor to the development of mRNA technology and it's practical use.

Go figure!
Grinning Grinning Grinning Have you listened to the words of Rockin in The Free World? It’s a song about irony. It’s about how the free world is fucking people up!!! It’s about how a “free world” comes with a price.Dry
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swordfish wrote:
Read some of the comments on YouTube, some very relevant comments. What we really need to see is someone step up on Rogans platform and have...
Read some of the comments on YouTube, some very relevant comments. What we really need to see is someone step up on Rogans platform and have an honest debate or discussion with someone like Malone. No one seems to want to do that. Pretty telling isn’t it?
I agree on the debate front, I don't take much value from YouTube comments however.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: Have you listened to the words of Rockin in The Free World? It’s a song about irony. It’s about how the free world...
Grinning Grinning Grinning Have you listened to the words of Rockin in The Free World? It’s a song about irony. It’s about how the free world is fucking people up!!! It’s about how a “free world” comes with a price.Dry
Literally about ignoring those left behind by western society by being distracted with "rockin in the free world"

There's colors on the street
Red, white and blue
People shufflin' their feet
People sleepin' in their shoes
But there's a warnin' sign on the road ahead
There's a lot of people sayin' we'd be better off dead
Don't feel like Satan, but I am to them
So I try to forget it any way I can
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
I see a woman in the night
With a baby in her hand
There's an old street light (near a garbage can)
Near a garbage can (near a garbage can)
And now she put the kid away and she's gone to get a hit
She hates her life and what she's done to it
There's one more kid that'll never go to school
Never get to fall in love, never get to be cool
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
We got a thousand points of light
For the homeless man
We got a kinder, gentler machine gun hand
We got department stores and toilet paper
Got Styrofoam boxes for the ozone layer
Got a man of the people, says keep hope alive
Got fuel to burn, got roads to drive
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
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Motoxdoc wrote:
I just watched Joe groveling on TV :lol: I have to voice my backing for Neil Young and Joni Mitchell on this one; IMO, Joe’s contributions...
I just watched Joe groveling on TV Grinning I have to voice my backing for Neil Young and Joni Mitchell on this one; IMO, Joe’s contributions to society seem to pale in comparison and the point they are making is valid and their actions seem to be working as my first sentence above indicates.
You got to admit, the dynamic going on right now with folks on the left supporting censorship and the taking away of freedom…This is nothing a real liberal would support..

Can you imagine liberals from the 70’s doing this? They were quite the opposite..

My general feeling is- if you don’t have a strong enough/convincing enough argument on your position- censoring opposing arguments is the only way to win..
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Motoxdoc wrote:
I just watched Joe groveling on TV :lol: I have to voice my backing for Neil Young and Joni Mitchell on this one; IMO, Joe’s contributions...
I just watched Joe groveling on TV Grinning I have to voice my backing for Neil Young and Joni Mitchell on this one; IMO, Joe’s contributions to society seem to pale in comparison and the point they are making is valid and their actions seem to be working as my first sentence above indicates.
Brad460 wrote:
You got to admit, the dynamic going on right now with folks on the left supporting censorship and the taking away of freedom…This is nothing a...
You got to admit, the dynamic going on right now with folks on the left supporting censorship and the taking away of freedom…This is nothing a real liberal would support..

Can you imagine liberals from the 70’s doing this? They were quite the opposite..

My general feeling is- if you don’t have a strong enough/convincing enough argument on your position- censoring opposing arguments is the only way to win..
How about the right winger’s trying really hard to take away peoples freedoms to vote? Voting is kind of important for democracy to survive. What rights are the liberals taking away from you?…The right to keep a pandemic alive?…The right to
oppress others?…The right to destroy our environment?…The right to kill someone if they scare you?…The right to force someone to have a baby? The right for podcasts to mislead the public? As you know some rights are more important than others.
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Motoxdoc wrote:
I just watched Joe groveling on TV :lol: I have to voice my backing for Neil Young and Joni Mitchell on this one; IMO, Joe’s contributions...
I just watched Joe groveling on TV Grinning I have to voice my backing for Neil Young and Joni Mitchell on this one; IMO, Joe’s contributions to society seem to pale in comparison and the point they are making is valid and their actions seem to be working as my first sentence above indicates.
Brad460 wrote:
You got to admit, the dynamic going on right now with folks on the left supporting censorship and the taking away of freedom…This is nothing a...
You got to admit, the dynamic going on right now with folks on the left supporting censorship and the taking away of freedom…This is nothing a real liberal would support..

Can you imagine liberals from the 70’s doing this? They were quite the opposite..

My general feeling is- if you don’t have a strong enough/convincing enough argument on your position- censoring opposing arguments is the only way to win..
Motoxdoc wrote:
How about the right winger’s trying really hard to take away peoples freedoms to vote? Voting is kind of important for democracy to survive. What rights...
How about the right winger’s trying really hard to take away peoples freedoms to vote? Voting is kind of important for democracy to survive. What rights are the liberals taking away from you?…The right to keep a pandemic alive?…The right to
oppress others?…The right to destroy our environment?…The right to kill someone if they scare you?…The right to force someone to have a baby? The right for podcasts to mislead the public? As you know some rights are more important than others.
I don’t know anyone on the right that is trying to make it harder to vote.

Most just want it more secure. Ballot harvesting, Drop boxes, mail in voting without ID confirmation are ripe for abuse. Voting machines that are connected to the internet and receiving “updates” days before an election is total bullshit. I don’t care what side of the aisle you are on let’s make the elections secure.

People can get an ID. You need one to function in our society. I don’t think asking and verifying said ID is too much to ask or oppressive at all.
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Motoxdoc wrote:
I just watched Joe groveling on TV :lol: I have to voice my backing for Neil Young and Joni Mitchell on this one; IMO, Joe’s contributions...
I just watched Joe groveling on TV Grinning I have to voice my backing for Neil Young and Joni Mitchell on this one; IMO, Joe’s contributions to society seem to pale in comparison and the point they are making is valid and their actions seem to be working as my first sentence above indicates.
Brad460 wrote:
You got to admit, the dynamic going on right now with folks on the left supporting censorship and the taking away of freedom…This is nothing a...
You got to admit, the dynamic going on right now with folks on the left supporting censorship and the taking away of freedom…This is nothing a real liberal would support..

Can you imagine liberals from the 70’s doing this? They were quite the opposite..

My general feeling is- if you don’t have a strong enough/convincing enough argument on your position- censoring opposing arguments is the only way to win..
Motoxdoc wrote:
How about the right winger’s trying really hard to take away peoples freedoms to vote? Voting is kind of important for democracy to survive. What rights...
How about the right winger’s trying really hard to take away peoples freedoms to vote? Voting is kind of important for democracy to survive. What rights are the liberals taking away from you?…The right to keep a pandemic alive?…The right to
oppress others?…The right to destroy our environment?…The right to kill someone if they scare you?…The right to force someone to have a baby? The right for podcasts to mislead the public? As you know some rights are more important than others.
You think making someone show ID is taking away voting rights? Dude you are deep into the CNN Kool Aid. Next you’re gonna start spouting about stolen elections. Let’s post up at least 5 or 6 clips about Hillary whining about the election being stolen.
I’d be more worried about the 2 million illegals let in by the current government so they can get votes. Should illegals have to show ID? Should foreign nationals be able to vote in NY?
Take another look at the rights you say are being taken away😂It’s laughable. Most of those are being propagated by your current party.
You really should quit while you’re ahead. Stick to cracking necks man.
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Brad460 wrote:
You got to admit, the dynamic going on right now with folks on the left supporting censorship and the taking away of freedom…This is nothing a...
You got to admit, the dynamic going on right now with folks on the left supporting censorship and the taking away of freedom…This is nothing a real liberal would support..

Can you imagine liberals from the 70’s doing this? They were quite the opposite..

My general feeling is- if you don’t have a strong enough/convincing enough argument on your position- censoring opposing arguments is the only way to win..
Motoxdoc wrote:
How about the right winger’s trying really hard to take away peoples freedoms to vote? Voting is kind of important for democracy to survive. What rights...
How about the right winger’s trying really hard to take away peoples freedoms to vote? Voting is kind of important for democracy to survive. What rights are the liberals taking away from you?…The right to keep a pandemic alive?…The right to
oppress others?…The right to destroy our environment?…The right to kill someone if they scare you?…The right to force someone to have a baby? The right for podcasts to mislead the public? As you know some rights are more important than others.
I don’t know anyone on the right that is trying to make it harder to vote. Most just want it more secure. Ballot harvesting, Drop boxes...
I don’t know anyone on the right that is trying to make it harder to vote.

Most just want it more secure. Ballot harvesting, Drop boxes, mail in voting without ID confirmation are ripe for abuse. Voting machines that are connected to the internet and receiving “updates” days before an election is total bullshit. I don’t care what side of the aisle you are on let’s make the elections secure.

People can get an ID. You need one to function in our society. I don’t think asking and verifying said ID is too much to ask or oppressive at all.
Well if it’s acceptable to have to provide ID for food stamps, it can’t be that tragic to ask for ID to vote. Let’s face it, if you can’t get your shit together enough to get a free piece of ID, do we really want you voting? NJ and Deleware, Mr. Prez’s home state have stricter voting laws and requirement than Georgia’s. Seems like insinuating minorities are too lazy or stupid to get a piece of ID is pretty insulting to that demographic. Doesn’t seem to stop them from saying it.
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I don’t know anyone on the right that is trying to make it harder to vote. Most just want it more secure. Ballot harvesting, Drop boxes...
I don’t know anyone on the right that is trying to make it harder to vote.

Most just want it more secure. Ballot harvesting, Drop boxes, mail in voting without ID confirmation are ripe for abuse. Voting machines that are connected to the internet and receiving “updates” days before an election is total bullshit. I don’t care what side of the aisle you are on let’s make the elections secure.

People can get an ID. You need one to function in our society. I don’t think asking and verifying said ID is too much to ask or oppressive at all.
It is far from a perfect system, I moved from California a year ago, they still send me ballots, they sent me one to recall Gavin newsom. A waitress I met while in California, who was in the country illegally, was sent a ballot. My mother-in-law got a ballot even though she never registered herself in California, and had already voted iabsentee in her home state.
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I don’t know anyone on the right that is trying to make it harder to vote. Most just want it more secure. Ballot harvesting, Drop boxes...
I don’t know anyone on the right that is trying to make it harder to vote.

Most just want it more secure. Ballot harvesting, Drop boxes, mail in voting without ID confirmation are ripe for abuse. Voting machines that are connected to the internet and receiving “updates” days before an election is total bullshit. I don’t care what side of the aisle you are on let’s make the elections secure.

People can get an ID. You need one to function in our society. I don’t think asking and verifying said ID is too much to ask or oppressive at all.
It is far from a perfect system, I moved from California a year ago, they still send me ballots, they sent me one to recall Gavin...
It is far from a perfect system, I moved from California a year ago, they still send me ballots, they sent me one to recall Gavin newsom. A waitress I met while in California, who was in the country illegally, was sent a ballot. My mother-in-law got a ballot even though she never registered herself in California, and had already voted iabsentee in her home state.
A BLM founder was just sentenced to 6 years for voter fraud. it happens. On both sides. It always will.
You should have to show ID at a minimum.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-lives-matter-memphis-chapter-founder-s…
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I'm ok with showing ID to vote as long as there is widespread early voting, sameday registration, and sameday/sameplace ID issuance. I've had to show ID when I voted as far as I can remember. 1 day Tuesday voting is complete antiquated bullshit.

But I also think there should be mandatory jail time for the employer of illegals.
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I'm ok with showing ID to vote as long as there is widespread early voting, sameday registration, and sameday/sameplace ID issuance. I've had to show ID...
I'm ok with showing ID to vote as long as there is widespread early voting, sameday registration, and sameday/sameplace ID issuance. I've had to show ID when I voted as far as I can remember. 1 day Tuesday voting is complete antiquated bullshit.

But I also think there should be mandatory jail time for the employer of illegals.
Seems pretty reasonable. Canada we require ID. We are normally sent voter cards but have the option of voting with just ID if we do not have a card. Seems to work fairly well.
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Motoxdoc wrote:
I just watched Joe groveling on TV :lol: I have to voice my backing for Neil Young and Joni Mitchell on this one; IMO, Joe’s contributions...
I just watched Joe groveling on TV Grinning I have to voice my backing for Neil Young and Joni Mitchell on this one; IMO, Joe’s contributions to society seem to pale in comparison and the point they are making is valid and their actions seem to be working as my first sentence above indicates.
Brad460 wrote:
You got to admit, the dynamic going on right now with folks on the left supporting censorship and the taking away of freedom…This is nothing a...
You got to admit, the dynamic going on right now with folks on the left supporting censorship and the taking away of freedom…This is nothing a real liberal would support..

Can you imagine liberals from the 70’s doing this? They were quite the opposite..

My general feeling is- if you don’t have a strong enough/convincing enough argument on your position- censoring opposing arguments is the only way to win..
Motoxdoc wrote:
How about the right winger’s trying really hard to take away peoples freedoms to vote? Voting is kind of important for democracy to survive. What rights...
How about the right winger’s trying really hard to take away peoples freedoms to vote? Voting is kind of important for democracy to survive. What rights are the liberals taking away from you?…The right to keep a pandemic alive?…The right to
oppress others?…The right to destroy our environment?…The right to kill someone if they scare you?…The right to force someone to have a baby? The right for podcasts to mislead the public? As you know some rights are more important than others.
LOLOLOLOL!!!

This has to be a bit!!
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You got to admit, the dynamic going on right now with folks on the left supporting censorship and the taking away of freedom…This is nothing a...
You got to admit, the dynamic going on right now with folks on the left supporting censorship and the taking away of freedom…This is nothing a real liberal would support..

Can you imagine liberals from the 70’s doing this? They were quite the opposite..

My general feeling is- if you don’t have a strong enough/convincing enough argument on your position- censoring opposing arguments is the only way to win..
Motoxdoc wrote:
How about the right winger’s trying really hard to take away peoples freedoms to vote? Voting is kind of important for democracy to survive. What rights...
How about the right winger’s trying really hard to take away peoples freedoms to vote? Voting is kind of important for democracy to survive. What rights are the liberals taking away from you?…The right to keep a pandemic alive?…The right to
oppress others?…The right to destroy our environment?…The right to kill someone if they scare you?…The right to force someone to have a baby? The right for podcasts to mislead the public? As you know some rights are more important than others.
LOLOLOLOL!!!

This has to be a bit!!
Just goes to show you common sense is not required to become a “Doctor”.
And you wonder why so many people are questioning medical professionals.
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Seems pretty reasonable. Canada we require ID. We are normally sent voter cards but have the option of voting with just ID if we do not...
Seems pretty reasonable. Canada we require ID. We are normally sent voter cards but have the option of voting with just ID if we do not have a card. Seems to work fairly well.
The ID law is not as egregious as other laws about polling places and such. Noone should have to wait in line all day on the first Tuedsay of Nov to vote, that's a system designed to keep legal voters from voting.
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I don’t know anyone on the right that is trying to make it harder to vote. Most just want it more secure. Ballot harvesting, Drop boxes...
I don’t know anyone on the right that is trying to make it harder to vote.

Most just want it more secure. Ballot harvesting, Drop boxes, mail in voting without ID confirmation are ripe for abuse. Voting machines that are connected to the internet and receiving “updates” days before an election is total bullshit. I don’t care what side of the aisle you are on let’s make the elections secure.

People can get an ID. You need one to function in our society. I don’t think asking and verifying said ID is too much to ask or oppressive at all.
It is far from a perfect system, I moved from California a year ago, they still send me ballots, they sent me one to recall Gavin...
It is far from a perfect system, I moved from California a year ago, they still send me ballots, they sent me one to recall Gavin newsom. A waitress I met while in California, who was in the country illegally, was sent a ballot. My mother-in-law got a ballot even though she never registered herself in California, and had already voted iabsentee in her home state.
swordfish wrote:
A BLM founder was just sentenced to 6 years for voter fraud. it happens. On both sides. It always will. You should have to show ID...
A BLM founder was just sentenced to 6 years for voter fraud. it happens. On both sides. It always will.
You should have to show ID at a minimum.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-lives-matter-memphis-chapter-founder-s…
Did you actually read the article? What a crock.

This woman was sentenced to 6 years in prison, while the text says:

"However, the officials who signed off on the application admitted they made an error when they said her probation was over, the Washington Post reported. "

So the government officials mistakenly said that her probation was over, and she gets 6 years in prison for their mistake of approving her application.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/03/fight-to-vote-tennessee…
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I'm ok with showing ID to vote as long as there is widespread early voting, sameday registration, and sameday/sameplace ID issuance. I've had to show ID...
I'm ok with showing ID to vote as long as there is widespread early voting, sameday registration, and sameday/sameplace ID issuance. I've had to show ID when I voted as far as I can remember. 1 day Tuesday voting is complete antiquated bullshit.

But I also think there should be mandatory jail time for the employer of illegals.
I will say that the last part is very difficult, as employers are actually prohibited from questioning someone's immigration status. They are only allowed to document the information given to them to verify an applicant's/employee's Form I-9.

However, I am in full agreement if an employer KNOWINGLY hires people who are not eligible to work in the US. That's a tough bar to meet, though. There are a few cases where it certainly sounds like employers actually aided people coming in to the country undocumented, but for most others it's just a case of filing the Form I-9 and waiting to see if anyone checks on it some time.
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I will say that the last part is very difficult, as employers are actually prohibited from questioning someone's immigration status. They are only allowed to document...
I will say that the last part is very difficult, as employers are actually prohibited from questioning someone's immigration status. They are only allowed to document the information given to them to verify an applicant's/employee's Form I-9.

However, I am in full agreement if an employer KNOWINGLY hires people who are not eligible to work in the US. That's a tough bar to meet, though. There are a few cases where it certainly sounds like employers actually aided people coming in to the country undocumented, but for most others it's just a case of filing the Form I-9 and waiting to see if anyone checks on it some time.
I know that you have extensive experience with farm workers and immigrant workers are a vital part of the chain that gets our food from the ground to the table so I'm not going to pretend that I know all the ins and outs of how it all works.

I would like to increase legal immigration, decrease illegal immigration (most illegal immigrants step off a plane to start their life in the US), and streamline the path to citizenship. I'm not anti-immigrant. I just think the way to deal with illegal immigration is to punish the people who it will affect the most, that's the employers, not the immigrants. The current system is not set up for this as you pointed out but with some modifications, it could be. Mandatory jailtime so it's not a matter of cutting a check for a fine and going back business as usual.
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APLMAN99 wrote:
I will say that the last part is very difficult, as employers are actually prohibited from questioning someone's immigration status. They are only allowed to document...
I will say that the last part is very difficult, as employers are actually prohibited from questioning someone's immigration status. They are only allowed to document the information given to them to verify an applicant's/employee's Form I-9.

However, I am in full agreement if an employer KNOWINGLY hires people who are not eligible to work in the US. That's a tough bar to meet, though. There are a few cases where it certainly sounds like employers actually aided people coming in to the country undocumented, but for most others it's just a case of filing the Form I-9 and waiting to see if anyone checks on it some time.
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I know that you have extensive experience with farm workers and immigrant workers are a vital part of the chain that gets our food from the...
I know that you have extensive experience with farm workers and immigrant workers are a vital part of the chain that gets our food from the ground to the table so I'm not going to pretend that I know all the ins and outs of how it all works.

I would like to increase legal immigration, decrease illegal immigration (most illegal immigrants step off a plane to start their life in the US), and streamline the path to citizenship. I'm not anti-immigrant. I just think the way to deal with illegal immigration is to punish the people who it will affect the most, that's the employers, not the immigrants. The current system is not set up for this as you pointed out but with some modifications, it could be. Mandatory jailtime so it's not a matter of cutting a check for a fine and going back business as usual.
I'm absolutely in favor of jail time for employers who knowingly or intentionally hire ineligible workers. We both agree on that. I've hired thousands of people in both ag and non-ag positions.

However, an employer is actually prohibited from determining the eligibility status of an applicant. They have loosened up slightly in that now if someone feels that a document is forged or otherwise not correct, you can reject that as one of the needed items on the Form I-9, but for the overwhelming majority of cases if someone presents documentation then you simply are required to accept it and move on.

I actually called the 'old' INS several years ago because I had 5 people who all had the same number on their cards. They were obviously faked, they were all A098765.... Identical numbers with only the names, photos, and signatures changed. I was told that I was in violation for questioning their documents as presented. I even tried to explain that even if 1 of the cards were 'real' (highly unlikely because of the number sequence) then basic logic would mean that 4 of them were fake.

Things like this are why I think that it is important to distinguish between someone employing an undocumented worker and someone KNOWINGLY employing an undocumented worker. The first one can happen to almost any employer at any time.
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