You Think We Will Ever See Another Rider “Run The Table”?

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Edited Date/Time 8/17/2021 11:30pm
Seems highly unlikely in this current era of parity….. (?). Let me get this straight, RC had perfect seasons in 2002 & 2004, (Kaw & Honda), then won all the overalls in 2005 on the Suzuki ? And then, Bubba killed everyone in 2008….









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8/17/2021 11:09am Edited Date/Time 8/17/2021 11:54am
RC had perfect seasons on the CR 250 & CRF 450.

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I don not know but I suddenly want some milk. Freshly poured...looks ever so delicious.
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Short answer: no.


Long answer...... No. Bikes balance out the skill gaps in riders way too much compared to 2 strokes and the early 4 stroke era.
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Picture #8, what in the fuck is going on with Ricky’s tires? The rear looks twice as big as the front. Camera angle?
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Rupert X
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SEE ARE125 wrote:
Picture #8, what in the fuck is going on with Ricky’s tires? The rear looks twice as big as the front. Camera angle?
Yeah it’s a digital pic of an old photo
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8/17/2021 11:18am
SEE ARE125 wrote:
Picture #8, what in the fuck is going on with Ricky’s tires? The rear looks twice as big as the front. Camera angle?
It's the light being refracted through Rupert's mother in law's glass top coffee table where she keeps trinkets like RC pics developed at Eckerd's on that fine Fujifilm
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SEE ARE125 wrote:
Picture #8, what in the fuck is going on with Ricky’s tires? The rear looks twice as big as the front. Camera angle?
Rupert X wrote:
Yeah it’s a digital pic of an old photo
I figured something along those lines. The front tire looked to scale with the front of the bike, and same with the rear, but together they were throwing me off. I was gonna have a glass of milk and stare at it a bit longer. Laughing
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It's hard to imagine it happening in the current era, but Roczen came fairly close in 2016 so it's not impossible. Statistically, one year the stars will align and it could happen again, but I think we're probably talking about a sample size of 20+ seasons (2002 was the 28th season of pro motocross?).
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Did anybody ever come close to doing it, on a 125 ?





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When you look back its quite a feat to accomplish, and I think that makes RC and JS just that much more special. Looking back at 2015 Eli was on pace to do it, for 5 moto's there was nobody close...just that one opps. Post Kenny's run in 2016 what is the longest win streak?
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Rupert X wrote:
Did anybody ever come close to doing it, on a 125 ? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506100/s1200_7DF09321_F2BE_4EEC_ACB1_6C80CDF778CF.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506099/s1200_961A81E1_1E66_4808_8AF9_FB087287A8EE.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506104/s1200_92385E52_B1EC_403E_A014_F5D6F2511644.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506103/s1200_10EE0B46_B91A_479D_92E6_E8E72F5E7D08.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506102/s1200_CC4EBF3A_CD30_48DF_8A4C_9DFAB950355A.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506101/s1200_73D19F07_DA01_4518_BCD3_1AD308730BB7.jpg[/img]
Did anybody ever come close to doing it, on a 125 ?





Didn't The Bomber miss a perfect 125 season by one moto?
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Rupert X wrote:
Did anybody ever come close to doing it, on a 125 ? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506100/s1200_7DF09321_F2BE_4EEC_ACB1_6C80CDF778CF.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506099/s1200_961A81E1_1E66_4808_8AF9_FB087287A8EE.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506104/s1200_92385E52_B1EC_403E_A014_F5D6F2511644.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506103/s1200_10EE0B46_B91A_479D_92E6_E8E72F5E7D08.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506102/s1200_CC4EBF3A_CD30_48DF_8A4C_9DFAB950355A.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506101/s1200_73D19F07_DA01_4518_BCD3_1AD308730BB7.jpg[/img]
Did anybody ever come close to doing it, on a 125 ?





Not outdoors but Ricky went undefeated on a 125 indoors.
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8/17/2021 4:38pm Edited Date/Time 8/17/2021 4:40pm
Rupert X wrote:
Did anybody ever come close to doing it, on a 125 ? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506100/s1200_7DF09321_F2BE_4EEC_ACB1_6C80CDF778CF.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506099/s1200_961A81E1_1E66_4808_8AF9_FB087287A8EE.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506104/s1200_92385E52_B1EC_403E_A014_F5D6F2511644.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506103/s1200_10EE0B46_B91A_479D_92E6_E8E72F5E7D08.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506102/s1200_CC4EBF3A_CD30_48DF_8A4C_9DFAB950355A.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506101/s1200_73D19F07_DA01_4518_BCD3_1AD308730BB7.jpg[/img]
Did anybody ever come close to doing it, on a 125 ?





James Stewart won 23/24 motos on a 125 in 2004. He went down hard in moto 2 of red bud and effed up the bike and lost the clutch.

Edit: he rode a 250 four stroke at glen helen that year but that was the only time.
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No, I think it's highly unlikely we will ever see another perfect season.

RC4 swept in a period where he simply out-trained everyone. He was fast, gritty, and determined, but by large RC laid the "recipe" for the amount of training and work that has to be put in to be a race winner. There were not a lot of guys in that time period that even knew how to train like RC, let alone have speed + training.

JS7 was just a plain freak on a bike. He dominated because in his time his technique was so far ahead of the competition, that they stood no chance (assuming he didn't crash his brains out.) What you saw at the end of Stewart's career was not him falling off in speed, rather the competition adopted his skills and techniques. The competition rose to his skill level when they figured out how to ride like he did and he was then racing a handful of guys that could go as fast as he could.

In the current era, you have ~20 to 30 guys in each class that are training full time on programs similar to RC. There's a big group of guys that, fitness wise, can do what RC did in his prime. However, this is the new normal, not the exception like RC was during his career.

That same group of guys also have very very similar levels of skill and technique. What I mean by that is none of them have such a distinct skill/technique advantage over the others that it automatically favors them to win. We've seen it before where each class has 4 to 6 guys that could win on any given weekend. That just wasn't the case with RC & JS as they were so far ahead of the rest of the class that it was usually their race to lose. Stewart did things on a bike that his classmates didn't know how to do. That doesn't exist today in the top 20 or so of each class. They study data, film, everyone has a great riding coach, etc. The skill & technique gap doesn't exist anymore.

And then you have the evolution of bikes, which are all really good now. The current crop of riders has to have their settings nailed every single weekend or they aren't going to win. I think you saw that with Kenny this weekend as his Honda setup is suited for a rough, rutted track like Unadilla, but maybe not some of the other "new era" tracks where its fast, flat, and loamy.

Sometimes i've even tempted to think that what Villopoto was able to achieve will never be matched. It's just so difficult to "dominate" these days. What Ferrandis has been able to do in the first 8 rounds of MX this year, and assuming he finishes out strong and wins the championship by 30-40+ points, could end up being what the new definition of "domination" looks like.
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Let's start with a rider getting on the podium every week
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I say yes. Sooner or later some freak of nature will figure out a new technique and raise the bar even higher, Throw in some good luck and boom. Perfect season.
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SEE ARE125 wrote:
Picture #8, what in the fuck is going on with Ricky’s tires? The rear looks twice as big as the front. Camera angle?
That looks hilarious hahaha
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INB4 jenerational jett or danger boy degan debate
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Best part is RC whooped the best the sport has ever seen from 04-05 and only lost 2 motos, one of which he was landed on after passed for the lead.

Dude was sick in the head
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It was cool to see Showtime and RC completely destroy anyone and everyone but at the same time it made the races kinda boring. Stewart was just as dominant but he could have a 30 second lead and suddenly wad up big time and fight back for a win or DNF and need to make up points. It was boring though knowing every single race who was gonna win. I much prefer going into a weekend wondering which of 5+ guys are going to take it, especially lately when we rarely see anyone win both motos or consecutive SX mains.

I think today too many guys are on such similar programs with such similar bikes, practice/training programs, trainers, diets, etc. The playing field has been leveled.
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sumdood wrote:
I say yes. Sooner or later some freak of nature will figure out a new technique and raise the bar even higher, Throw in some good...
I say yes. Sooner or later some freak of nature will figure out a new technique and raise the bar even higher, Throw in some good luck and boom. Perfect season.
Exactly. Eventually it will happen.
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There have been many eras of parity where we never expected a rider like Jeremy, Ricky or James to come along but they did. Who knows but honestly I like the parity eras better.
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I think we have a current 250 rider that will run the table in 450 when he gets there
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8/17/2021 8:24pm
Who’s that guy to the left of James in that first picture? I remember him always being at the podium with him and stuff.
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Those of you who say it will never happen again are ignoring the fact that someday we will all be dust and James and Ricky will be nothing more than history catalogued in a book and moto will have existed for ten times as long as it has existed now.

But will we ever again see three within seven years? I doubt it.
8/17/2021 10:18pm
Rupert X wrote:
Did anybody ever come close to doing it, on a 125 ? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506100/s1200_7DF09321_F2BE_4EEC_ACB1_6C80CDF778CF.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506099/s1200_961A81E1_1E66_4808_8AF9_FB087287A8EE.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506104/s1200_92385E52_B1EC_403E_A014_F5D6F2511644.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506103/s1200_10EE0B46_B91A_479D_92E6_E8E72F5E7D08.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506102/s1200_CC4EBF3A_CD30_48DF_8A4C_9DFAB950355A.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506101/s1200_73D19F07_DA01_4518_BCD3_1AD308730BB7.jpg[/img]
Did anybody ever come close to doing it, on a 125 ?





Do you have anymore TUF Honda cr125 pics ? So hot. Torteli had 1 mechanical, won the rest on a 125. The Budman has over 100 AX wins. Huffman has the most SX podiums on a 125- 250f class.
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Rupert X wrote:
Did anybody ever come close to doing it, on a 125 ? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506100/s1200_7DF09321_F2BE_4EEC_ACB1_6C80CDF778CF.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506099/s1200_961A81E1_1E66_4808_8AF9_FB087287A8EE.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506104/s1200_92385E52_B1EC_403E_A014_F5D6F2511644.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506103/s1200_10EE0B46_B91A_479D_92E6_E8E72F5E7D08.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506102/s1200_CC4EBF3A_CD30_48DF_8A4C_9DFAB950355A.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/17/506101/s1200_73D19F07_DA01_4518_BCD3_1AD308730BB7.jpg[/img]
Did anybody ever come close to doing it, on a 125 ?





MARK BARNETT - Came to the last 125 National at Carlsbad Raceway with a chance to become the 1st racer to win every overall in the 1981 AMA 125 championship. However, he was inquired himself on race day and couldn't race.


Photo from the 1982 125 National - Carlsbad Raceway - Barnett won that day!
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8/17/2021 11:30pm
I do think litpro’s, traction control, all the data logging etc. has evened the playing field too much. Riders used to go off skill and feel more, that’s what made the winners skills so much more impressive IMO.
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