Which 450, YZ or KX?

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2/25/2021 11:27 AM

I'm looking at getting a new 450 this summer and have narrowed it down to the Yamaha and Kawi, I have ridden neither. I'm a long time Honda guy, but have been on KTM/Husky since 2017. I want to try something different and make a run at Loretta's in the 40+ class next year.
I really like the technology in the Yamaha with the maps being adjustable in the app, both have really good suspension. Lots of pros to either and not very many cons. And feedback from people who have ridden both?

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2/25/2021 11:38 AM

Dony get the Yamaha if you are going to ride pro supercross. Everyone on here says the bike is unrideable. Kidding

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Gone:
2006 CRF230F
2008 KTM 200 XC
2017 KTM 250 SX
2019 CRF250R
Current: 2021 YZ250F

2/25/2021 11:50 AM

Get the Yamaha

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2/25/2021 11:53 AM

I'd say listen to your heart.

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2/25/2021 11:54 AM

Which brand has a local dealer that can offer the most support?
Not free or sponsorship, but is known for having parts and knowledgable people on hand to help with issues?

That's who you choose

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2/25/2021 11:55 AM

How tall are you? The Kawi is a lot more friendly for taller riders.

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2/25/2021 12:21 PM

Asselstine wrote:

How tall are you? The Kawi is a lot more friendly for taller riders.

6ft

As far as the local dealer, not much support for either brand here and both are sold at the same dealer. Honestly, I'd probably be looking at going up to Dallas or Oklahoma to get a good deal. Even considering getting one from EBR and Rock River. Shipping is pretty cheap on bikes if the deal is good.

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2/25/2021 12:40 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/25/2021 12:50 PM

Braaaphole wrote:

6ft

As far as the local dealer, not much support for either brand here and both are sold at the same dealer. Honestly, I'd ...more

Says every dude that will drive an additional 200 miles to save $100. If you would actually BUY a bike at your local dealer you would find out they are willing to offer a ton of support in a lot of different ways.
Damn. SMH.

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2/25/2021 12:46 PM

Asselstine wrote:

How tall are you? The Kawi is a lot more friendly for taller riders.

Braaaphole wrote:

6ft

As far as the local dealer, not much support for either brand here and both are sold at the same dealer. Honestly, I'd ...more

JT Moto wrote:

Says every dude that will drive an additional 200 miles to save $100. If you would actually BUY a bike at your local dealer ...more

Bingo, factor in time $, fuel $. Etc.

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2/25/2021 12:50 PM

KX for the cockpit adaptability and hydro clutch. YZ for the app. What's your thoughts?

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2/25/2021 12:55 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/25/2021 12:57 PM

If you want to go by what other people think, the KX won pretty much every shootout this year. You’d be way better off finding buddies at the track that will let you ride them yourself so you can see which one YOU like better.
At 6 foot, I bet you’d like the layout and adjustability of the KX better, but you really ought to try to take a spin on both.

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2/25/2021 12:58 PM

Asselstine wrote:

How tall are you? The Kawi is a lot more friendly for taller riders.

Braaaphole wrote:

6ft

As far as the local dealer, not much support for either brand here and both are sold at the same dealer. Honestly, I'd ...more

JT Moto wrote:

Says every dude that will drive an additional 200 miles to save $100. If you would actually BUY a bike at your local dealer ...more

My local dealer wants $9900 out the door for a 21 YZ250F. Won’t even budge on price. A dealer in WV is getting my business at $7700. I’d pay more within reason to support the local guy. But I’m not made of money and I don’t really want to support the place trying to sell me a bike at full sticker, plus $1000 in fees, and then sales tax on top.

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2/25/2021 1:17 PM

Braaaphole wrote:

6ft

As far as the local dealer, not much support for either brand here and both are sold at the same dealer. Honestly, I'd ...more

JT Moto wrote:

Says every dude that will drive an additional 200 miles to save $100. If you would actually BUY a bike at your local dealer ...more

JBecker 72 wrote:

My local dealer wants $9900 out the door for a 21 YZ250F. Won’t even budge on price. A dealer in WV is getting my business at ...more

$2200 savings is worth the drive. . Long drives to save a few hundred isnt.

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2/25/2021 1:43 PM

Asselstine wrote:

How tall are you? The Kawi is a lot more friendly for taller riders.

Braaaphole wrote:

6ft

As far as the local dealer, not much support for either brand here and both are sold at the same dealer. Honestly, I'd ...more

JT Moto wrote:

Says every dude that will drive an additional 200 miles to save $100. If you would actually BUY a bike at your local dealer ...more

Here’s the issue with “dealers”...they suck! I support local small mom and pop shops that offer parts and repairs. Herring support from a “dealer” is like getting support from the local Mercedes dealership. Over priced!

I tried and tried to support local dealers. But when they have to order a spark plug for a PW50 that takes a week to get to the shop and I’ve got to pay premium and shipping it’s not worth it. I can have it shipped to my front door in a day. I can have “real” shops work on the stuff I cannot do myself. All these 100,000 sq ft dealerships have lost touch with the reality of the sport.

I like the Kawasaki

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2/25/2021 2:05 PM

Both are solid choices. I was in the same boat last year and went with the yz and couldn’t be happier. The WiFi tuner is what made me choose the yz and the fact that I don’t like the feel of hydraulic clutches. The kawi does feel a little more nimble but the yami has better stability. Cant go wrong with either.

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2/25/2021 2:13 PM

EngIceDave wrote:

Which brand has a local dealer that can offer the most support?
Not free or sponsorship, but is known for having parts and ...more

Does anyone really need support from their local dealers anymore? The only time I go to a dealer is to buy a bike, otherwise it's just ordering parts online. Local dealers don't have anything in stock, and it seems like a week or two is always the lead time.

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I work to provide for my family, I ride to keep my sanity.

2/25/2021 2:19 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/25/2021 2:34 PM

I can only speak to the 2021 YZ 450.

I got to ride one at the Yamaha Demo days last Sunday.

First, the KYB SSS stock fork is the best front suspension I have ever ridden. I spent over two grand on my WP Xact fork, and the stock Yamaha fork blows it away, and it was not even set up for me. It sucked up the braking chop and acceleration bumps extremely well. It actually pissed me off with how good it is.

The shock was not nearly as plush as the fork, but again it wasn't set up for me at all.

The motor is extremely aggressive on map 1. I'm used to smooth power of a KTM, and the YZ is so damn powerful on the bottom it just pulls like crazy. Most powerful 450 I've ever ridden. I sort of got used to the power after a few laps,, but this is not a bike for people afraid to twist the throttle. I just had to blip the throttle in 3rd and I OJ'ed a 85 foot double - like flat landed it.

The bike feels heavy as compared to my 2021 KTM 450, there is a fair amount of weight up high, and it doesn't like to turn or get into ruts as easily as my bike. Again, this could be lack of set up, but you can sure feel how much it weighs.

If they could get the weight down a little I would buy one in a heartbeat just for the fork and the motor.

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2/25/2021 2:46 PM

KX for sure imho

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Current rides: 2020 CRF450RWE and 2019 TC300
Occasional ride for VMX: 1985 CR500RF
Adventure/Road bike: CRF1000L

2/25/2021 2:48 PM

kiwifan wrote:

KX for sure imho

Does your dealer have you on one?

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2/25/2021 3:04 PM

166 pages worth of reasons to go 19-21 KX450!! Join the club, you won't regret it!

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Lets-see-review-those-2019-kx450s,1343688?exclusive_forum_user=false&page=1

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Do It In The Dirt!

2/25/2021 3:06 PM

If you go with the Yamaha I hear the hot setup is 20 mm offset clamps and a steering damper

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2/25/2021 5:05 PM

Man, it's all personal preference. Just sit on each n pick the one that feels the best. I just went through the process of choosing a new 450 for +30 (+35)... I wanted to like the yam, but just sitting on it reminded me of the fat bch 14 I had and I hate how huge they felt then, and still feel that way today.

Ultimately, I chose to stick the red route, but man was I ever close to pulling th trigger on the kx. It feels good, can't be bad kinda thing.. I am very happy with my decision to stay red as I absolutely love the way my 21we feels in every aspect. It's just very confidence inspiring, for ME. However, there is part of me that wishes ida tried something new and went with the kx.. Maybe next time..

Simply put, id choose the kx out of your two choices, without a doubt. I think the yam suspension is over rated, it's a pig (not talking weight, just feels like a clydesdale vs a quarter horse), and I wanted hydro clutch. Kx suspension is good with springs, has hydro, rider triangle felt good, plus team green. Kx seems more honda'ish in most aspects, so it may put you right at home right off the rip.

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2/25/2021 5:07 PM

Leeham wrote:

Dony get the Yamaha if you are going to ride pro supercross. Everyone on here says the bike is unrideable. Kidding

Damn, you beat me to it LOL

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2020 KTM 350 SXF

2/25/2021 5:11 PM

Cant go wrong with either, I personally chose the kx because it feels way less bulky, love the power delivery of both, The KX just felt more flickable to me, You can re-map ignition revalve suspension But you can never make the Yamaha not bulky feeling

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2/25/2021 5:12 PM

Get the kawi there contingency is better from what I’ve heard if racing alot

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2/25/2021 5:18 PM

So here it goes,
Everyone that currently has a YZ is going to tell you to get the Yamaha.
Everyone that currently has a KX is going to tell you to get the Kawasaki.
Buy whichever one you can get cheaper. Invest the savings into hookers and blow.

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2/25/2021 5:23 PM

Both are incredible bikes. I own the Kawi and would (and will) buy another in a heart beat. Rode a friends YZ a few times and it’s awesome as well. What color do you like ?

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2/25/2021 5:31 PM

Well you are just going to have to decide what you like better...a blue pig or sick cow?

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2/25/2021 5:44 PM

racerx217 wrote:

So here it goes,
Everyone that currently has a YZ is going to tell you to get the Yamaha.
Everyone that currently has a KX ...more

I currently have a KX450 and am going to a YZ250F tongue

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2/25/2021 6:14 PM

Buy a good torque wrench if you buy a KX.

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