Vet Rider Thoughts?

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7/29/2016 5:09am
About to turn 60 and still moto every weekend with my boys. Can't imagine life without it although I have gone thru several breaks lasting a few years apiece (Army). Several major injuries (spent my honeymoon in an ER!) but what the hell, it's what I do!

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7/29/2016 5:23am
Keep riding.....no more "bright ideas" that involve racing
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7/29/2016 5:42am
I severely ruptured 2 discs in my back on June 12th when I over jumped a jump and landed out on the flat.. I only started walking decent again last week after a month of PT, Chiropractor sessions, pain killers, and epidural shots. It scared the hell outta me to realize something could stop me in my tracks like that. I had never been hurt like that before..
Regardless, I knew I'd feel differently as soon as I started feeling better, so while I was down I bought another bike, even if it was just going to be something to look at.. But the more comfortable I get walking and riding a bicycle.. the more I think about riding my RMs,
I don't think you can ever find a substitute for riding/racing dirt bikes. I tried 10 years ago when I raced cars weekly. It wasn't even close to giving me what Moto did.
Good luck.. Soon you'll forget the injury, you'll only remember the good days, and you'll be back out there doing what satisfies you most. Riding that damn dirt bike.
As for the kids, well, I made dirt bikes available to my son, but didn't push it on him. He didn't end up showing the interest and he did his own thing. and thats fine with me.
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7/29/2016 5:56am
You can get a mountain bike. They are a blast to do a couple time a week and there's a good adrenalin rush blasting down hills. Also A lot cheaper for the mid range bike and gear.

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7/29/2016 6:26am
A bunch of great replies. I'll throw my .02 in FWIW. I started racing MX in 9th grade, racing 40+ weekends a year with my dad who also raced. I stopped partway through college, but after driving my GF (now wife) nuts while I tried to replace MX, she said "you need a bike." So I bought another bike and rode practice days, etc. My dad got back in as well and we rode strictly for fun. However, by 2013 I was tired of hurting, the three days of prep every week, and the fact that the earth muffins, whiny neighbors and developers made the closest tracks 2-3 hrs one way for me. My dad was also over it at 63, particularly after a bad highside left him really banged up with about 2k in wadded stuff on his KX450. So we decided to move on. My thoughts-
-there is life after moto. I won't lie, I got a bit emotional watching our bikes leave in someone else's truck, knowing they weren't being replaced with something else. But I knew that if I REALLY regretted it, I could get another some day.
-keep your gear! I kept all my gear. I will be outdated if I start again, but I won't have to buy boots, braces or any clothing goggles etc, making getting back in much cheaper.
-for me, jumps, berms etc were great, but the best part of moto was the fact that it required so much concentration that you physically couldn't worry about the BS of daily life. I had always wanted to fly, so I went and got my pilot's certificate. It fills this void as it also requires said concentration. Nothing will replace letting her rip on a big table, double or triple, but this comes close.
-I don't miss having more time with the fam (weren't that interested in the bikes) and to do other things. I tore my bikes down to the roller (with engine still in) every ride. This amounted to three days (tear down, clean, and reassemble) plus gear every week. I was never a wash and call it good guy.
-I don't miss hurting for two days after riding.
-good bad or indifferent, I wouldn't change a thing about my time riding and racing. The time spent with my dad sharing a sport that so few try was a once in a lifetime experience. Having a dad that rode moto into his 60's is awesome in my book.

I still follow moto and there are certainly times I miss the sport. But it's not the "I can't find anything to replace it" mentality I used to have. And I still have an XR250, so if I really need a motorcycle fix I could trail ride it. The nice thing with a stock XR is that it is so slow with such soft suspension that I really can't push things much.

Good luck in your decision.
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7/29/2016 8:31am
I’m 41 and going through this.

Throughout my entire riding “career” (beginning in 1988 @ age 14), I’d never had any serious injuries. I was always super careful, didn’t have a steep learning curve, and felt I rode smart.
But then I turned 40 and had a couple of bad injuries. The first one kept me off the bike for about 4 months. ER visit, bone reconstruction, lost time at work, needed to get driven around places, etc. I chalked it up to just a freak deal.

Eleven and a half months later, I jacked myself up again. Surgery, three pins, had to go on disability (3 months), no driving, weeks on end spent going from bed to bathroom and back.

That one shook me up. Both injuries will have lasting effects, which will worsen as I continue to age. The hardest part was the realization that my riding is only going to get worse from here on out. My eyesight isn’t what it used to be. My strength isn’t what it was. My reaction time is worse too. In a way, I am becoming more susceptible to injury. Meanwhile, the stakes are growing (responsibilities, etc).

But it’s not just that. It’s how the injuries affected my family. At the time, the only people available to help get me home and collect my stuff were my parents. I’m a parent too and it was embarrassing to think how my 70+ year old parents must’ve felt to have to collect their banged up 41 year old son. They don’t need that kind of stress and anxiety. Then having to explain to my son why I wasn’t going to see him for Christmas (doctor said no flight in cast with pins)…I was ashamed of myself.

I’m not planning to quit cold turkey, but I know my “moto life” will never be what it was a couple of years ago. I don’t want to put my family through any more of my injuries. I’m backing it way down. Seriously thinking about selling the MX bike and sticking to trail riding. Exploring other alternatives as well. I gotta make sure I stay safe, man.
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7/29/2016 9:03am
The mountain bike idea is a good one, I've moved into that and it's a gas. Also started woods riding on a true woods bike, nothing quite like single track through the trees....it's a rush.

I'm 57, took a hard hit a few years ago and have stepped away from competition MX. I do hit the ride days for sure, but no more actual race conditions.
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7/29/2016 9:16am
50...train like a mad man...I have tried to stop..

It's just to far inside of me...Cool
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7/29/2016 9:17am
48, ride tracks every weekend with my son. Quit racing after having kids many moons ago. It's all about having fun ..... And GETTING HOME SAFE ! Heal up and take your time getting back into it. We've all been there with this, myself included .
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7/29/2016 9:41am Edited Date/Time 7/29/2016 10:19am
There is a great big dirt bike world outside of racing/progressing/pushing limits...as a 35 year old, sole wage earner in my house, with a wife and four kids...my next phase of dirt bike riding-whenever that day comes-will be adventure riding/touring (like the 95% off road/ 5% on road stuff).

Honestly, as much as I enjoy racing, and I still feel like I am getting better-fundamentally-at riding a dirt bike, and I have no intention of stopping any time soon...I do look forward to the day when the 450 is replaced by a BMW GS or a KTM 990...and rather than pounding whoops, I'm exploring the back country with my buddies and camping and taking dirt roads and trails from one small town to the next for gas and food (I'm not sure how feasible this would be on the east coast...but out west, its incredible).

I also have plans to pick up a trials bike...probably sooner than later...just because it looks so dang fun, and hard, and slow (so less chance of injury).

Anyway, dirt bike will always be a part of my life-in some capacity-so long as I'm able to twist the throttle...I have no ego in the sense that if I'm not charging and racing and progressing I can't have any fun...the dirt bike world is a great big and diverse world...so I look forward to the future phases of my dirt biking life.

Just my .02 on the topic.
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7/29/2016 9:50am
I'm 50, rode and raced from age 16 to 19. Sold my bike and gear, and when my son was old enough many years later, I bought a bike again at age 36. I missed out on many of my younger days I could have rode and raced.

I got busted up quite a few times, like every metatarsel bone in my left foot. (which now has a hump to it even after the surgery and cast). And 10 years ago I blew my right knee, and have 2 cadaver ligaments (PCL and MCL), that required extensive rehab, and a 2nd scope surgery 2 years later.

But at my current age of 50, about 1 month ago, I spent my 4th of July weekend and week in the hospital with a lacerated and collapsed lung. The suction took awhile, so I ended up being there 6 day's, and 5 nights. Just got the bill 2 days ago. $36,000.00 .
Thank God for insurance. I been to the track twice since this accident, and feel good. Just did a lot of bike riding in between to get in cardio.
I haven't raced since 2005, and this may be my last year. Not sure.
Not because it has to be, and not because of an injury. Just because its getting close in my heart that's all.
I don't need the money, so I'll keep my bike, drain the oil, coolant, fuel, etc and make a display with it and all my plastic trophies in the house some where.
I love moto, and its so hard to decide when and if, its time to move on.
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7/29/2016 9:51am Edited Date/Time 7/29/2016 10:34am
I'm 52 and still ride when I can though to be honest between time and money, it's only a few days a month.

But the deal is, you gotta learn how ride and race within your limits and face the reality that as you get older, your limits are lower. Learn to throttle back and think more. You still gotta stay in shape, too! Incidentally, the other day I went out just trail riding. Just cruising around. I had forgotten how much fun it is just to go ride around in the hills! It was the most fun I've had going slow in a long time!! Total blast.




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Amazing reading the age and desire of a lot of you guys that are right around my same age , and older.

48yrs old here. I've lived , breathed , ate and almost died for this sport in the 35yrs I've been doing it. Took some long breaks ( usually after the injuries ). After taking 6yrs off , from 2005 - 2011....I got myself a bike and started riding again. So far I've only ridden practice days at most of the NW tracks around here. I haven't raced , mainly because I'm still a little screwed up inside my head from my last wreck. I " want to ".....and plan to race a couple here soon.

I simply love everything there is about the sport....except the injuries. I'll keep riding , until I can't , or get tired of being hurt. I don't know if I have one more year , or 10 more years left in me....but if I can physically throw my leg over my bike and ride safely , I see no reason to stop.

I've done a lot of other things in my times off , but never found anything that quite filled the hole that MX does. I mean seriously....what other activity can we all do that gives you the physical workout , puts the fear of God in you every now and then , acts as a glue to connect you and all your friends together and is this much fun? What else could possibly do all those things at once like what this sport does?

If it's out there , I haven't found it.
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I'd really like to see a shift toward old school natural terrain tracks without all of the "make it or break it" obstacles. The vintage crowd are the guys who are doing this stuff right imho. I have considered giving the modern bikes and tracks back to the invincible riders and going to find a clean vintage ride. There are vintage mx clubs that also allow modern machines in on the fun so that may be an option to get the fix without having to huck a 90+ jump.
Im 46, and have had the itch to try to qualify for Lorettas for a few years, but bad knees (chondromalacia) have almost made that idea impossible,( I only get a few laps in before its too painful) so I have also been thinking of ways to stick with moto, but reduce the impact.
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I'm starting to lose my mind because I cannot afford to race anymore. I'm 45 and now I know why people get old. They stop riding. In my case I stopped because I have two kids and an underemployed wife to take care of first.

What do non-riders do on the weekends? I feel like a real-life version of that Honda commercial where the guy is folding laundry in his helmet.
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Mx746 wrote:
I'd really like to see a shift toward old school natural terrain tracks without all of the "make it or break it" obstacles. The vintage crowd...
I'd really like to see a shift toward old school natural terrain tracks without all of the "make it or break it" obstacles. The vintage crowd are the guys who are doing this stuff right imho. I have considered giving the modern bikes and tracks back to the invincible riders and going to find a clean vintage ride. There are vintage mx clubs that also allow modern machines in on the fun so that may be an option to get the fix without having to huck a 90+ jump.
Im 46, and have had the itch to try to qualify for Lorettas for a few years, but bad knees (chondromalacia) have almost made that idea impossible,( I only get a few laps in before its too painful) so I have also been thinking of ways to stick with moto, but reduce the impact.
The vintage scene is a great way to stay in the sport and more importantly is hang'n with guy's in the same age bracket. Good way to meet new people and make a few friends also. We gotta keep the sport alive, so hang in there.
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jeffro503 wrote:
Amazing reading the age and desire of a lot of you guys that are right around my same age , and older. 48yrs old here. I've...
Amazing reading the age and desire of a lot of you guys that are right around my same age , and older.

48yrs old here. I've lived , breathed , ate and almost died for this sport in the 35yrs I've been doing it. Took some long breaks ( usually after the injuries ). After taking 6yrs off , from 2005 - 2011....I got myself a bike and started riding again. So far I've only ridden practice days at most of the NW tracks around here. I haven't raced , mainly because I'm still a little screwed up inside my head from my last wreck. I " want to ".....and plan to race a couple here soon.

I simply love everything there is about the sport....except the injuries. I'll keep riding , until I can't , or get tired of being hurt. I don't know if I have one more year , or 10 more years left in me....but if I can physically throw my leg over my bike and ride safely , I see no reason to stop.

I've done a lot of other things in my times off , but never found anything that quite filled the hole that MX does. I mean seriously....what other activity can we all do that gives you the physical workout , puts the fear of God in you every now and then , acts as a glue to connect you and all your friends together and is this much fun? What else could possibly do all those things at once like what this sport does?

If it's out there , I haven't found it.
Well said Jeff!

There are other things to fill that void we get while riding, but it still puts us in that danger zone. For example surfing is super fun, but I don't feel on the edge until the waves are bigger. Mountain biking is great, but when you are pushing it's not much different than a moto bike.

The biggest thing i've realized about myself after reading this conversation is that take away after a day riding the track, trails or the hills here in So Cal, it's that everything in my brain gets washed out for that 2-3 hour window. I don't think about the bills, the workload on my desk or the chores around the house. As cliche' as it sounds, it's true for me. I enjoy that moment of a clear head more than trying to get an adrenaline jolt.
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About a month ago I completely broke myself off. Hospital trip, broken bones (some very alarming), rehab, and finally am getting ready to go back to...
About a month ago I completely broke myself off. Hospital trip, broken bones (some very alarming), rehab, and finally am getting ready to go back to work in a few weeks. I'm 32 and have a job where sick time accrues (thank God). I've got a wife and beautiful family.
I usually race woods stuff but always enjoyed practice days on the MX track. Three months ago I got the bright idea to race a local supercross. I wasn't in it to win it, it was more a less a way to go out with friends and enjoy the cooler summer air under the lights with buddies as opposed to sweating like an idiot in the 90+ degree heat. Got hooked! Well my last time out, still racing 30+ B, just riding, a freak high side off a jump really made me reconsider what the hell I am doing.
I've quit once before when I didn't have time or money for it and it sucked. I let myself get fat and had no release for stress or enjoyment. Riding Dirtbikes I think keeps me focused on something and looking forward to the next ride day. The sport has done more for me the past 5 years than anything else. I hunt and fish and shoot, but nothing brightens up my soul like throwing a leg over my YZ.
Nothing scares me like not being able to walk or work ever again either.
Any of you older bros have a major injury that made you question this crazy crap we do? How have you moved past it? Do you still ride or race?
My kids want to get into it. I was thinking about keeping my bike so I could at least follow them around to local loops and practice tracks we have nearby. The street bike is gone. I figured if I could do what I did in the dirt, a car pulling out infront of my R1 at 50+ MPH would not turn out well. Got a RZR900, b*****s love RZRs.
i broke my femur a few years ago when i was trying to get back into riding ((havent been regular for almost ten years.

but im back into a little more and its a hard uphill battle, mentally and physically. fitness is down and injury is in the back of my head which plays into how i ride, but how i ride is not satisfying.

If you're going to do. DO IT. dont try to have one foot in because not being ready will only increase chances for crashes.

if your only going to do it a bit just be out with the kiddos get a crf150
7/29/2016 11:48am
Awesome stuff guys. Thanks for posting. I've enjoyed, hurt, cringed and re-evaulated with each of your stores that had wrecks in em.
The thing that bothers me is when I crash I truthfully was not pushing any limits. I was riding comfortable, lost the front end, got that back and then the back went. It Whipped right back high-side style while I was traveling off of a step down. It's the freak thing that just happens that literally has me questioning it.
And you're right, there is nothing that clears the mind like riding. I just don't want to cause any stress for my family. They are super supportive in either decision I make, I just don't want to put them in a bad spot.
I really appreciate your posts. Looking into my decision and how I will proceed will take all of your information into account. It seems most of the time I've had a bad crash it has been jump or air time related. Not that it can't happen crashing into a tree off into rocks. I may stay away from tracks for awhile and just cruise the woods. My kids are starting to get into riding now. I won't be going very fast following them around. That's kind of where I'm at.
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Awesome stuff guys. Thanks for posting. I've enjoyed, hurt, cringed and re-evaulated with each of your stores that had wrecks in em. The thing that bothers...
Awesome stuff guys. Thanks for posting. I've enjoyed, hurt, cringed and re-evaulated with each of your stores that had wrecks in em.
The thing that bothers me is when I crash I truthfully was not pushing any limits. I was riding comfortable, lost the front end, got that back and then the back went. It Whipped right back high-side style while I was traveling off of a step down. It's the freak thing that just happens that literally has me questioning it.
And you're right, there is nothing that clears the mind like riding. I just don't want to cause any stress for my family. They are super supportive in either decision I make, I just don't want to put them in a bad spot.
I really appreciate your posts. Looking into my decision and how I will proceed will take all of your information into account. It seems most of the time I've had a bad crash it has been jump or air time related. Not that it can't happen crashing into a tree off into rocks. I may stay away from tracks for awhile and just cruise the woods. My kids are starting to get into riding now. I won't be going very fast following them around. That's kind of where I'm at.
No shame in being hesitant now days. Our health and well being for ourselves and our families should always come first.

For me....my story may ring true for certain guys here. In 05' when I had the worst wreck of my life , I was 37 years old. It was from no mistake of my own , as another rider snuck out onto the track during a practice , went backwards and we hit head on....both 2nd gear wide open. It destroyed both bikes and landed me in the hospital for a little over 3 weeks. First 5 days in ICU. Double punctured lungs and about 30 broken bones , and almost losing my life....made me walk away from this sport forever...at least that's what I thought.

I was on a mission after that wreck to get into better shape than I was before the wreck. And still to this day , I would probably still be out of this sport if it wasn't for my buddy Wardy who basically bought me a bike to get me back into it again after 6yrs off.

I've had a few spills since I came back , but I'm thankful I came back and have tried to work out the demon's the best way I could. Mentally....that wreck damaged me in ways I wasn't prepared for. I went through the first couple years with some sort of " shell shock "......dreaming of riding and always seeing a red front fender coming at me and it would startle me bad enough , that I never thought I'd ride again.

But I got past that part. I get a little more comfortable every time I ride again , and I'm not always looking around wanting to know where everyone else is at on the track. I'm glad to be back.
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I'm 38 and riding the best i've ever rode..

I have also noticed in the last few years if I don't train of the bike, I don't have as much fun on the bike..

Others have said it, you have to know your "current" limitations. I'm a firm believer that you can always be in better shape and be better at what ever craft you are putting time, effort and money into.
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I am 37 family etc, I didn't race this year due to traveling for work, but once I am back I will be back into the 2-3 times a week riding again. We enjoy hitting the practices days and what not. Also have gotten back into off road riding too. Alot of fun and riding my bike in general. As long as I am on my bike I am happy.
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7/29/2016 1:42pm Edited Date/Time 7/29/2016 1:43pm
You may laugh, but there's also BMX. Plenty of older guys racing these days, and at the national level, there is serious competition. There are cruiser classes that permit the use of 24" and larger wheels. USAbmx.com
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Just ride, dont race. Cheaper and you can ride when YOU want to, not when someone else tells you to. Back it down a notch, and be able to ride until you're 60, or until your knees wont let you ride any more...... Thats what my friends do.

How on earth can anyone give this up anyway? Like OP says, NOTHING compares to riding.
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7/29/2016 2:03pm Edited Date/Time 7/29/2016 2:12pm
I will add one other thing...I'm having more fun riding right now-at 35-than I ever have in my life...I'm not jumping huge jumps and riding the ragged edge....but I feel I'm a more technically sound rider (fundamentally speaking), I can see me getting better in that regard every ride...I'm riding with buddies that aren't trying to prove anything to anyone-we're all just out there to have fun, no egos, no attitudes-there is no pressure, no unrealistic "dreams" of going pro, so there is no internal pressure (or external pressure-from each other) to take unnecessary risks...and even better, is that I can afford all the cool bikes and parts, so there is no financial stress, no worry about breaking something on the bike and not being able to fix it.

Riding dirt bikes, now more than ever, is my therapy, it takes my mind off the world...it is just fun!

I hate for anyone to stop riding because they feel "unsafe"...just take more calculated risks, focus on progression in other areas (for me its technique and bike control that I work on so I still feel I'm progressing), and get out and have fun.

Being a vet rider rocks!
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7/29/2016 2:06pm
mx37 wrote:
Just ride, dont race. Cheaper and you can ride when YOU want to, not when someone else tells you to. Back it down a notch, and...
Just ride, dont race. Cheaper and you can ride when YOU want to, not when someone else tells you to. Back it down a notch, and be able to ride until you're 60, or until your knees wont let you ride any more...... Thats what my friends do.

How on earth can anyone give this up anyway? Like OP says, NOTHING compares to riding.
My thoughts exactly. This is what I do, and I'm enjoying it more than ever. Oh, I'm 53 BTW.
7/29/2016 2:24pm
buy a 125 problem and just have fun problem solved
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7/29/2016 2:44pm Edited Date/Time 7/29/2016 3:14pm
sandman768 wrote:
if you want to continue riding into vet & Sr. years you have to excercise good judgment. Poor judgement = early exit from the greatest sport...
if you want to continue riding into vet & Sr. years you have to excercise good judgment. Poor judgement = early exit from the greatest sport on earth! "A man has to know his limitations"
Nailed it 100% right. Risk management. The problem is good judgement is hard to learn. You're born with it. The vet guys that have been out there for years and years with no huge crashes every six months all have it. They are a very small minority. You might consider a 250F as well. Safest bikes out there and newer ones have plenty of power. 450s tend to sneak up and bite you in the ass much easier.
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I think it's important to have a good job or job insurance if you ride. I'm 31, wife and 2 kiddos.. Never had an injury that I couldn't go to work with until about 4 months ago. I broke my navicular in my right foot.. Just trail riding and crashed in a flat corner not hauling ass at all. Bam. Surgery and off work for the last 3 months. I just got back to work last week and I'm still not 100% more like 55%.. Lucky for me I'm Union employed and they have a little injury and off work pay. It saved my job and allowed me to pay my bills. Am I going to quit.? No way. Am I going to be as smart as I can while riding.? Yes.
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Anyone have a good workers compensation insurance for the self employed?

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