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5/15/2018 9:46 AM

Thoughts?
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5/15/2018 9:48 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/15/2018 9:50 AM

So now that his sample B is positive, does this mean he is released from his contract with KTM?

From Decosters interview -
David Izer "You said KTM has some very strict policies, so obviously this is very important to them. What is the word from Austria? What is the corporation saying? Obviously, that’s just a rider that works for them, but I’m sure this has gone across the pond, too."
"Yeah. They basically told me to be in support of Broc as long as there is doubt and that it was an accident, as long as there’s no real 100 percent proof. They want to make sure that there was no mistake in the testing. They want to the test a B sample. But I think if the B sample comes out the same, I’m going to be told that it’s over."

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5/15/2018 9:49 AM

Hmmm.... Still trying to figure out how this classifies as blood doping......

Too many thinks and thouks runnin around in my brain compartments to figure this one out

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5/15/2018 9:51 AM

Sounds like he's pissed

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KX125

5/15/2018 9:53 AM

Do you think KTM will put someone on the alleged bike of the alleged cheating rider who allegedly can no longer compete in the alleged outdoor series?

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5/15/2018 9:53 AM

Can he go race the GPs or Canada, or this a worldwide FIM deal?

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5/15/2018 9:59 AM

gnarwhip wrote:

Can he go race the GPs or Canada, or this a worldwide FIM deal?

He cant ride anything under FIM for next 2-4 years.
He used doping and now will be out least couple years so he´s Pro career is over. Nothing will
make this go away even he will continue to post IG that is never taken anything.

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5/15/2018 10:06 AM

gnarwhip wrote:

Can he go race the GPs or Canada, or this a worldwide FIM deal?

tek14 wrote:

He cant ride anything under FIM for next 2-4 years.
He used doping and now will be out least couple years so he´s Pro career is over. Nothing will
make this go away even he will continue to post IG that is never taken anything.

You assume a lot. He hasn't been issued a penalty yet.

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5/15/2018 10:07 AM

gnarwhip wrote:

Can he go race the GPs or Canada, or this a worldwide FIM deal?

I believe he can run the Canadian series, but not the GPs. I don't know Broc from a Tickle, but I believe him when he says that he hasn't intentionally done anything to cheat. Such a shitty situation, and I have no doubt that the process will continue to be as slow, secretive, and one-sided as it has allegedly already been for him.

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5/15/2018 10:10 AM

gnarwhip wrote:

Can he go race the GPs or Canada, or this a worldwide FIM deal?

tek14 wrote:

He cant ride anything under FIM for next 2-4 years.
He used doping and now will be out least couple years so he´s Pro career is over. Nothing will
make this go away even he will continue to post IG that is never taken anything.

GuyB wrote:

You assume a lot. He hasn't been issued a penalty yet.

Well that has been "penalty" in many other cases, yes he could get less than 2 years but they wont let him go without penalty.

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5/15/2018 10:16 AM

Ok what is Aldon saying about this,he is the KTM trainer isn't he?

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Mugen666

5/15/2018 10:18 AM

I'd be all over the Canadian series right now if i were Broc.

Here's a real opportunity for Canada to embrace any "alleged" violators and pump up their series. meanwhile "alleged" violators have a chance to continue racing and earning a living.

Sometimes what seems like a curse ends up being a blessing. Time to start making lemonade.

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5/15/2018 10:21 AM

It sounds like Tick’s lawyer is setting things up for defamation. Which honestly, I’m very on board with.

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5/15/2018 10:22 AM

mx_563 wrote:

I'd be all over the Canadian series right now if i were Broc.

Here's a real opportunity for Canada to embrace any "alleged" violators and pump up their series. meanwhile "alleged" violators have a chance to continue racing and earning a living.

Sometimes what seems like a curse ends up being a blessing. Time to start making lemonade.

He would have to find a team that would hire an alleged doper. I know the rules are less stringent there, but would you want someone on your team who has allegedly been doping to gain advantage?

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5/15/2018 10:23 AM

mx_563 wrote:

I'd be all over the Canadian series right now if i were Broc.

Here's a real opportunity for Canada to embrace any "alleged" violators and pump up their series. meanwhile "alleged" violators have a chance to continue racing and earning a living.

Sometimes what seems like a curse ends up being a blessing. Time to start making lemonade.

"hey roger, remember how Husky sent Pourcel north last year....?"

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"If you feel in control, you're not going fast enough" ~Mario Andretti

5/15/2018 10:28 AM

Canadian nationals=Sanctuary series

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5/15/2018 10:30 AM

Wada needs to be removed from the sport

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5/15/2018 10:32 AM

EMLMTH1 wrote:

Canadian nationals=Sanctuary series

He can race in Canada it's not sanction under fim he can't race any sanction fim series

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5/15/2018 10:34 AM

not much to add, but this REALLY sucks for him. To ingest something unknowingly (if you believe him, which I do) and then to have your entire career ruined over some miniscule chemical that you didn't even know that you took.....just sucks.

ANd yes, if they hit Stewart with 18 months (right?) over screwed up paperwork, they're going to smash Tickle when they have an A and B sample that are both dirty.

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5/15/2018 10:42 AM

mx_563 wrote:

I'd be all over the Canadian series right now if i were Broc.

Here's a real opportunity for Canada to embrace any "alleged" violators and pump up their series. meanwhile "alleged" violators have a chance to continue racing and earning a living.

Sometimes what seems like a curse ends up being a blessing. Time to start making lemonade.

Roostermx58 wrote:

He would have to find a team that would hire an alleged doper. I know the rules are less stringent there, but would you want someone on your team who has allegedly been doping to gain advantage?

The Alessi camp had far more controversy following them around yet they managed to get a ride in Canada. Milsaps got fired for a banned substance in his locker....but he still got hired in Canada.

But lets assume none of the big teams are willing to hire Broc....

If I had to choose between sitting on the couch and waiting for the legal process to *hopefully* bring redemption (thus letting my prime years slip through my fingers), or privateering it in Canada to maintain speed, racecraft and fitness while making a few modest Canadian dollars, I think I would roll the dice in Canada.

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5/15/2018 10:50 AM

Jeff_Crutcher wrote:

It sounds like Tick’s lawyer is setting things up for defamation. Which honestly, I’m very on board with.

I'm glad I am not the only one that picked up on that.

Don't want to let him race? Thats fine, hes got time for court now.

I don't know Brock at all but I 100% believe him.

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5/15/2018 10:52 AM

i guess im still confused what the "substance" even is???

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5/15/2018 10:54 AM

mx_563 wrote:

The Alessi camp had far more controversy following them around yet they managed to get a ride in Canada. Milsaps got fired for a banned substance in his locker....but he still got hired in Canada.

But lets assume none of the big teams are willing to hire Broc....

If I had to choose between sitting on the couch and waiting for the legal process to *hopefully* bring redemption (thus letting my prime years slip through my fingers), or privateering it in Canada to maintain speed, racecraft and fitness while making a few modest Canadian dollars, I think I would roll the dice in Canada.

Agreed, someone like him to could easily be competitive on a rather stock bike in Canada too.

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5/15/2018 10:54 AM

BurntToast43 wrote:

i guess im still confused what the "substance" even is???

Its a stimulant like caffiene or adhd medication

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5/15/2018 10:56 AM

- I like how his lawyer seems to be taking a cue from that Avenatti guy and using media to their advantage. Publicly naming the person overseeing their case and putting pressure on the FIM and WADA "to proceed in a professional manner".

- I understand Brocs frustration. There seems to be no sense of fairness or justice in this process. Just "hey you're guilty and you have to take our word for it"

- Reading that statement I felt bad for Broc, he seems like a stand up guy and has a good image in the sport. He's convincing in his denial. But I also think back to another "good guy" that was so convincing for years. Some guy named Lance. Tough to argue with science but I really hope Broc comes out OK somehow

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5/15/2018 10:59 AM

BurntToast43 wrote:

i guess im still confused what the "substance" even is???

Sounds like broc is as well.

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Mantis Toboggan, M.D

5/15/2018 11:01 AM

mx_563 wrote:

I'd be all over the Canadian series right now if i were Broc.

Here's a real opportunity for Canada to embrace any "alleged" violators and pump up their series. meanwhile "alleged" violators have a chance to continue racing and earning a living.

Sometimes what seems like a curse ends up being a blessing. Time to start making lemonade.

Roostermx58 wrote:

He would have to find a team that would hire an alleged doper. I know the rules are less stringent there, but would you want someone on your team who has allegedly been doping to gain advantage?

Well....... I guess not knowing what was inside Davi's locker gave him a pass.
Went to Canada, won the Championship, everyone forgets.

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@wasummer46

5/15/2018 11:04 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/15/2018 11:21 AM

Roostermx58 wrote:

He would have to find a team that would hire an alleged doper. I know the rules are less stringent there, but would you want someone on your team who has allegedly been doping to gain advantage?

mx_563 wrote:

The Alessi camp had far more controversy following them around yet they managed to get a ride in Canada. Milsaps got fired for a banned substance in his locker....but he still got hired in Canada.

But lets assume none of the big teams are willing to hire Broc....

If I had to choose between sitting on the couch and waiting for the legal process to *hopefully* bring redemption (thus letting my prime years slip through my fingers), or privateering it in Canada to maintain speed, racecraft and fitness while making a few modest Canadian dollars, I think I would roll the dice in Canada.

tkimb wrote:

Agreed, someone like him to could easily be competitive on a rather stock bike in Canada too.

Wonder how much money he has saved up to go racing on his own dime, especially if KTM starts making him pay back all his earnings because of the suspension? I am sure its been tough on him not earning a paycheck from the last couple of supercross races.

I am not sure how many professional riders would by a stock buy and go and race it. Especially a caliber rider like Tickle will need suspension and likely motor work before feeling comfortable on the bike.

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5/15/2018 11:06 AM

I feel bad for the guy, but if I was getting paid multiply 6 figures I'd make sure I knew everything I was eating or drinking. Both tests are positive, what else needs to be said? How many times have the other riders been tested and noone came up positive like this. It's not like he's being set up, unfortunately it's in his system and it's against the rules, case closed.

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5/15/2018 11:09 AM

mx_563 wrote:

The Alessi camp had far more controversy following them around yet they managed to get a ride in Canada. Milsaps got fired for a banned substance in his locker....but he still got hired in Canada.

But lets assume none of the big teams are willing to hire Broc....

If I had to choose between sitting on the couch and waiting for the legal process to *hopefully* bring redemption (thus letting my prime years slip through my fingers), or privateering it in Canada to maintain speed, racecraft and fitness while making a few modest Canadian dollars, I think I would roll the dice in Canada.

tkimb wrote:

Agreed, someone like him to could easily be competitive on a rather stock bike in Canada too.

Roostermx58 wrote:

Wonder how much money he has saved up to go racing on his own dime, especially if KTM starts making him pay back all his earnings because of the suspension? I am sure its been tough on him not earning a paycheck from the last couple of supercross races.

I am not sure how many professional riders would by a stock buy and go and race it. Especially a caliber rider like Tickle will need suspension and likely motor work before feeling comfortable on the bike.

Conviction? When was he arrested...

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