The Dutch Problem - well the Problem Everywhere.

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Edited Date/Time 2/27/2019 11:06am
I just came across this video from Living For The Weekend : The Battle For Motocross.

https://youtu.be/Gd7yb1Ib_4w

It's in Dutch, but there are sub / sur titles all the way through it. If you can read a 'normal' thread here, it's not that hard to read what is said.

The brief visual of a map / plaque showing RIP for the 51 tracks that have been closed in Belgium, leaving just 7 is disturbing.

Track closure is a massive problem , World wide.

As Calimero says in the video, it's all about the recreational rider, without Us, and that's the vast majority here on this and other sites, the sport is doomed. The powers that be, need to realize that.
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cmotodad 2/25/2019 6:26pm
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Being in So Cal, we see the same problems with tracks closing, multiple classes of riders on the track at the same time and the general public not being aware of the sport. In California, we have multiple agencies trying to close public riding areas and private tracks too. Besides teaching young riders track etiquette and safety,I feel tracks need to be more responsible with timed practices set according to ability. We, as riders, need to be willing to go out and help each track flag dangerous parts of the track if flaggers are not present .It;s very obvious separate practices are for everyone's safety and worth the inconvenience. It's time for us riders to step up and do what we can to help preserve the sport we love and enjoy.
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Underground 2/25/2019 9:25pm
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Nice upload Bear. Quite poignant though these guys have hit the point bang on. It's not just price but also safety concerns which keep people or their kids out of motocross. Even older rider's like myself who have had many injuries and are hesitant at letting their kids out there to risk it and go through similar injuries, rehab and lifelong pain that comes with them, if they're lucky. It's a dangerous sport I well know, but it just doesn't have to be as dangerous.
The sport is in the twilight years I reckon unless things are changed drastically.
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DeStouwer 2/25/2019 11:08pm
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Marnicq Bervoets was interviewed last week about the problem on the Belgian state channel. How electric bikes would take all the adrenaline away (ofcourse he's from the former generation) and about his son, who plays football and occasionally rides his dirtbike. His heart tells him that he hopes his son chooses for motocross, but his mind tells him he hopes he goes with football. Bervoets is afraid the sport will be extinct in a few years in Belgium.
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#434 2/25/2019 11:46pm
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I hate to say it, but the only solution I see is electric bikes. Here in Germany tracks get closed mainly because of noise problems but also enviromental concerns regarding fuel/oil getting into the ground.
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EnvyMedia 2/25/2019 11:55pm
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#434 wrote:
I hate to say it, but the only solution I see is electric bikes. Here in Germany tracks get closed mainly because of noise problems but...
I hate to say it, but the only solution I see is electric bikes. Here in Germany tracks get closed mainly because of noise problems but also enviromental concerns regarding fuel/oil getting into the ground.
I kinda get frustrated by the fact that we have pretty strict noise rules and there's still riders that can't be bothered to get a proper system or properly repack their mufflers. Not helping themselves and fellow riders and certainly not helping the clubs.
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Question 2/26/2019 12:10am
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Sorry to be the first in this thread to say it but as everybody would agree the 4 stroke didn't help either, the sound goes much further ...
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DeStouwer wrote:
Marnicq Bervoets was interviewed last week about the problem on the Belgian state channel. How electric bikes would take all the adrenaline away (ofcourse he's from...
Marnicq Bervoets was interviewed last week about the problem on the Belgian state channel. How electric bikes would take all the adrenaline away (ofcourse he's from the former generation) and about his son, who plays football and occasionally rides his dirtbike. His heart tells him that he hopes his son chooses for motocross, but his mind tells him he hopes he goes with football. Bervoets is afraid the sport will be extinct in a few years in Belgium.
His son was at our local track a few weeks ago, and I can tell you that he has some good genes from his dad.. kid has an awesome style and riding technique for such a young age.

On topic, Jean Paul Maas is doing really good things for the sport in the Netherlands. Hopefully he can work together with the KNMV (dutch organization) and other countries to protect our sport and improve safety.
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#434 2/26/2019 12:21am
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#434 wrote:
I hate to say it, but the only solution I see is electric bikes. Here in Germany tracks get closed mainly because of noise problems but...
I hate to say it, but the only solution I see is electric bikes. Here in Germany tracks get closed mainly because of noise problems but also enviromental concerns regarding fuel/oil getting into the ground.
EnvyMedia wrote:
I kinda get frustrated by the fact that we have pretty strict noise rules and there's still riders that can't be bothered to get a proper...
I kinda get frustrated by the fact that we have pretty strict noise rules and there's still riders that can't be bothered to get a proper system or properly repack their mufflers. Not helping themselves and fellow riders and certainly not helping the clubs.
Yes, I agree. But even with a repacked muffler my yz250f is too loud. The bikes should have come stock with enduro mufflers 15 years ago.. would have saved a lot of tracks!
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#434 2/26/2019 12:34am
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Electric bikes would also allow an easier entrance to the sport for young riders and their parents.
Easier to learn (no clutch/shifting), adjustable power, almost no maintenance or mechanical knowledge needed. Heck, most people can‘t check the oil level on their car, so the wrenching part of moto shies away a lot of people/parents.

Look at eMTBs. They are crazy expensive for just a effin bicycle but people buy them like crazy. An MX-bike should be as simple as one of those!
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Andy_Greenney 2/26/2019 2:55am
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The lack of tracks is an obvious issue, there were so many tracks when I grew up within an hour, now there are none. 68 million on this island I guess it’s inevitable.

The line that really got me was that parents that ride don’t want their kids to take it up because of the danger, I don’t have kids yet but can relate.
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OtotheB178 2/26/2019 3:40am
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i have 2 girls and i'd rather them take up mountain biking than moto....however as someone who also does DH mountain biking i'm fully aware my worst injuries comes from the push iron rather than the steel pony. I know that moto isn't any more dangerous than any other sport, i just find myself excited for them to ride but at the same time horrifically nervous as well, it's a weird place to be emotionally and not at all comfortable. I think the lack of tracks is the bigger issue however and i can't see how it's going to change as most countries aren't open to new sports, they tend to stick with traditional crap like football and cricket. bad times.
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mx_563 2/26/2019 7:43am
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This is a good start. A kid that starts out on one of these, will have no longing/nostalgia for noise...








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Andy_Greenney wrote:
The lack of tracks is an obvious issue, there were so many tracks when I grew up within an hour, now there are none. 68 million...
The lack of tracks is an obvious issue, there were so many tracks when I grew up within an hour, now there are none. 68 million on this island I guess it’s inevitable.

The line that really got me was that parents that ride don’t want their kids to take it up because of the danger, I don’t have kids yet but can relate.
Where in the U.K. do you live??? I have about 20 tracks with in an hour of me, I have 5-6 good practice tracks with in 20 mins... VIP at Crick, Dodford Turn, Weedon, Daventry, moto45... the list goes on race only tracks like Badby, Long Buckby, Wroxton, Toddington, Foxhills, Hawkstone, all not too far away... The U.K. is great for moto at the moment, there must have been over 300 riders at Wroxton on Sunday, 85s to vets all full line ups... hell we get 30 sidecars at most ACU meetings now... I’m not seeing this decline, took my son to VIP between Christmas and new year and there were probably 200 bikes, they were turning people away... and look at the size of the crowd at Hawkstone a couple of weeks ago... thousands there at £30 a time, the most people I have ever seen at the Telford show on the Saturday, massive entry at Weston last year, Le Touquet had 1200 bikes plus quads and youth races with over 500,000 spectators... the U.K. arenacross sold out most nights, Birmingham was packed both nights I’ve been around moto for over 40 years and it’s never been so good around here...
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shuggs 2/26/2019 12:09pm
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I understand the injury concerns but think it is wrong:
Son riding for over 15 years and worse injury was a few minor bumps. Roller blading left him with massive cut on knee, also had a few big falls.
Grandson now riding for 4 years with a few minor bumps. Last summer fell off MTB and had to get stitches in side of head. Has hurt ligaments in both ankles playing soccer!!

Go figure what is more dangerous??? If only those doubters knew the standard of safety kit that we all wear they might change their minds.
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ATKpilot99 2/26/2019 12:15pm
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shuggs wrote:
I understand the injury concerns but think it is wrong: Son riding for over 15 years and worse injury was a few minor bumps. Roller blading...
I understand the injury concerns but think it is wrong:
Son riding for over 15 years and worse injury was a few minor bumps. Roller blading left him with massive cut on knee, also had a few big falls.
Grandson now riding for 4 years with a few minor bumps. Last summer fell off MTB and had to get stitches in side of head. Has hurt ligaments in both ankles playing soccer!!

Go figure what is more dangerous??? If only those doubters knew the standard of safety kit that we all wear they might change their minds.
The risk of catastrophic injury is higher than in a lot of other sports.
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Tarz483 2/26/2019 12:31pm
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I Read in an interview with Brian Deegan that He almost wasnt going to let his son Ride Moto for fear of injury, funny now because his nick name is Danger Boy, but i found it interesting coming from a guy as knarly as Brian Deegan that even he was thinking its too dangerous, i get it though, the speeds have definitely increased and well as the jump size and distance's
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Muscle-Milk-KTM 2/26/2019 12:54pm
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Andy_Greenney wrote:
The lack of tracks is an obvious issue, there were so many tracks when I grew up within an hour, now there are none. 68 million...
The lack of tracks is an obvious issue, there were so many tracks when I grew up within an hour, now there are none. 68 million on this island I guess it’s inevitable.

The line that really got me was that parents that ride don’t want their kids to take it up because of the danger, I don’t have kids yet but can relate.
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Where in the U.K. do you live??? I have about 20 tracks with in an hour of me, I have 5-6 good practice tracks with in...
Where in the U.K. do you live??? I have about 20 tracks with in an hour of me, I have 5-6 good practice tracks with in 20 mins... VIP at Crick, Dodford Turn, Weedon, Daventry, moto45... the list goes on race only tracks like Badby, Long Buckby, Wroxton, Toddington, Foxhills, Hawkstone, all not too far away... The U.K. is great for moto at the moment, there must have been over 300 riders at Wroxton on Sunday, 85s to vets all full line ups... hell we get 30 sidecars at most ACU meetings now... I’m not seeing this decline, took my son to VIP between Christmas and new year and there were probably 200 bikes, they were turning people away... and look at the size of the crowd at Hawkstone a couple of weeks ago... thousands there at £30 a time, the most people I have ever seen at the Telford show on the Saturday, massive entry at Weston last year, Le Touquet had 1200 bikes plus quads and youth races with over 500,000 spectators... the U.K. arenacross sold out most nights, Birmingham was packed both nights I’ve been around moto for over 40 years and it’s never been so good around here...
Living in the South East, which is the most populated part of the country, the government is using all the green belt land for housing so tracks are slowly disappearing.
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Tarz483 2/26/2019 1:11pm
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I watched the whole video, quite interesting i thought, and definitely not just a dutch problem, at a grassroots level motocross is struggling in the USA as well especially with new people joining and definitely more tracks closing than there are opening.
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Jrewing 2/26/2019 1:49pm
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Fucking human overload. 99% of the human race expires tomorrow there's still 85 million people left.
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MOTO732 2/26/2019 1:52pm
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Anytime you have a bunch use useless fkng democrats wasting oxygen with their breathing, you're going to have problems.
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drt410 2/26/2019 1:58pm
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Maaan thats sad. They have no idea they have an absolute ANIMAL from their home country, killing it, n have no idea who he is.

Now obviously these 2 guys.. are just 2 guys, and he obviously has Dutch fans, but I bet he has more fans in America though seeing as just New York state has a larger population than the whole Netherlands.
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dirtnasty 2/26/2019 2:05pm
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shuggs wrote:
I understand the injury concerns but think it is wrong: Son riding for over 15 years and worse injury was a few minor bumps. Roller blading...
I understand the injury concerns but think it is wrong:
Son riding for over 15 years and worse injury was a few minor bumps. Roller blading left him with massive cut on knee, also had a few big falls.
Grandson now riding for 4 years with a few minor bumps. Last summer fell off MTB and had to get stitches in side of head. Has hurt ligaments in both ankles playing soccer!!

Go figure what is more dangerous??? If only those doubters knew the standard of safety kit that we all wear they might change their minds.
thats nice that your immediate family has avoided injury. I disagree bigly though. Not gonna stop me from riding but understanding the risk is necessary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic
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GeorgiePorgie 2/26/2019 2:10pm
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Andy_Greenney wrote:
The lack of tracks is an obvious issue, there were so many tracks when I grew up within an hour, now there are none. 68 million...
The lack of tracks is an obvious issue, there were so many tracks when I grew up within an hour, now there are none. 68 million on this island I guess it’s inevitable.

The line that really got me was that parents that ride don’t want their kids to take it up because of the danger, I don’t have kids yet but can relate.
Sidecar wrote:
Where in the U.K. do you live??? I have about 20 tracks with in an hour of me, I have 5-6 good practice tracks with in...
Where in the U.K. do you live??? I have about 20 tracks with in an hour of me, I have 5-6 good practice tracks with in 20 mins... VIP at Crick, Dodford Turn, Weedon, Daventry, moto45... the list goes on race only tracks like Badby, Long Buckby, Wroxton, Toddington, Foxhills, Hawkstone, all not too far away... The U.K. is great for moto at the moment, there must have been over 300 riders at Wroxton on Sunday, 85s to vets all full line ups... hell we get 30 sidecars at most ACU meetings now... I’m not seeing this decline, took my son to VIP between Christmas and new year and there were probably 200 bikes, they were turning people away... and look at the size of the crowd at Hawkstone a couple of weeks ago... thousands there at £30 a time, the most people I have ever seen at the Telford show on the Saturday, massive entry at Weston last year, Le Touquet had 1200 bikes plus quads and youth races with over 500,000 spectators... the U.K. arenacross sold out most nights, Birmingham was packed both nights I’ve been around moto for over 40 years and it’s never been so good around here...
Why is that ???
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The problems have nothing to with sounds. 9 out of 10 its just that one guy or woman that keeps crying and complaining. And somehow he/she wins over the majority that does like it or not bother about it. And because
its in the news people now you can win if you keep complaining. They even promoting here to complain if you see or hear something that is not in there norm. We just need to get rid of these whiners.

We just need to make sure that these people wanna move away as quickly as possible instead of the track. Its even common that the track is laying there for decades and that one guy or family just living there for a couple months directly start crying about it and even have a good shot at victory. We just need to man up and fight back and terrorize there houses and scare them as hell. We not gonna win this by legal long term activistisch. Just scare them and make them wanne move, fucking idiots.

And don't think these electric bikes are gonna help. We have to deal here with these real fucking whiners. They will whining about everything, they will find a new way. Isn't it sound than its dust or mud or these threes. Or these animals will suffer or they let them unique animal out there and say look its amazing all activities has to stop right away it will damaged nature. They just don't want these sports out there and don't give us. I mean look at your television and see these programs where people complaining about the smallest sounds an things, its just real sad.

Sissies are taking over this world in a hurry.

sorry if my English isn't right and don't be to serious, still think its the truth and hope they all dieWink
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wey to go
Underground 2/26/2019 4:56pm
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This is a good start
Jeff Emig Insta becoming a USMCA coach
If somebody could inbed that for me.

Wording goes:
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inthebadboycorner 2/26/2019 6:11pm
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mx_563 wrote:
This is a good start. A kid that starts out on one of these, will have no longing/nostalgia for noise... [img]https://cdn-motocross.transworld.net/blogs.dir/441/files/2018/11/2020-ktm-sx-e-5-600x582.jpg[/img]
This is a good start. A kid that starts out on one of these, will have no longing/nostalgia for noise...








That electrical cord is too short, it needs to be about 250 metres longer!
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cmotodad wrote:
Being in So Cal, we see the same problems with tracks closing, multiple classes of riders on the track at the same time and the general...
Being in So Cal, we see the same problems with tracks closing, multiple classes of riders on the track at the same time and the general public not being aware of the sport. In California, we have multiple agencies trying to close public riding areas and private tracks too. Besides teaching young riders track etiquette and safety,I feel tracks need to be more responsible with timed practices set according to ability. We, as riders, need to be willing to go out and help each track flag dangerous parts of the track if flaggers are not present .It;s very obvious separate practices are for everyone's safety and worth the inconvenience. It's time for us riders to step up and do what we can to help preserve the sport we love and enjoy.
I'd like to see every truck that enters the track have their own yellow flag. If you are out watching your kid, you should have a flag with you. Maybe give everyone that comes in the gate a 20 minute "Flag time" and a spot to flag and a burger or something. When I-5 mx was going, I would grab a flag every time my boy was out there, I actually enjoyed it.

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