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Curious to hear what y’all think about Steve Astephens comment that we need a single supercross class on the Pulp MX show. This is in the context of amateurs finishing high school / racing a summer series, as well as a lot more purse money from the promoters. A single class, maybe at 350cc, would certainly simplify things for a lot of viewers.
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This would kill the sport. As of now there are not enough spots for the talent coming out of the 250 class. We need to grow the sport not make it smaller.
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nealb129 12/31/2019 1:00pm
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Not a 100% sure you would see more purse. The promoters aren’t making more money. Same amount of seats being filled. Promoters first and everyone else a distant 2nd. Give more to the riders or have a better margin??
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zehn 12/31/2019 1:01pm
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This comes up all the time and I've never heard a well-reasoned, thought out justification for how or why this would be "good" for the sport.
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GuyB 12/31/2019 1:01pm
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Um...no.
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aeffertz 12/31/2019 1:26pm
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I don’t think the viewers are confused about two classes.
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zippytech 12/31/2019 1:29pm
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I am all for it. I dvr through all of 250 classes now. Put all the top fastest guys all on the gate and go.
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SEE ARE125 12/31/2019 1:32pm
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zippytech wrote:
I am all for it. I dvr through all of 250 classes now. Put all the top fastest guys all on the gate and go.
You’re missing some great racing then.
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greenmx5 12/31/2019 1:36pm
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It's really not too complex the way it is. Imagine an amateur coming out Loretta's and in January he has to qualify on a 20 man gate with tomac, roczen, musquin, Webb, etc.

Also keeping it split between east and west for the 250s works because not all those guys can afford to go to all 17 with the way the schedule is, crossing the entire country 6 times in a year
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zippytech 12/31/2019 1:37pm
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zippytech wrote:
I am all for it. I dvr through all of 250 classes now. Put all the top fastest guys all on the gate and go.
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You’re missing some great racing then.
I am sure. but I can watch great racing at the local track. I just think the fastest guys should all line up at once. Not a few on the west, few on the east. and a few in the 450. Put them all on that same gate. I don't even care what they ride. 250 , 450 or what ever.
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zippytech wrote:
I am all for it. I dvr through all of 250 classes now. Put all the top fastest guys all on the gate and go.
SEE ARE125 wrote:
You’re missing some great racing then.
zippytech wrote:
I am sure. but I can watch great racing at the local track. I just think the fastest guys should all line up at once. Not...
I am sure. but I can watch great racing at the local track. I just think the fastest guys should all line up at once. Not a few on the west, few on the east. and a few in the 450. Put them all on that same gate. I don't even care what they ride. 250 , 450 or what ever.
Your logic is...interesting.
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toroP 12/31/2019 2:02pm
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One class, all the fast guys, heats, semi, lcq, conci, main.
Think of the conciliation main. Great riders, maybe points for the winner(?)
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dsmith 12/31/2019 2:12pm
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Seeing the same 250 riders every week would be nice...
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sandtrack315 12/31/2019 2:30pm
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I think a big issue would be no more factory development of the 250Fs, if they are focusing solely on the 450 class.

I do think there would be less rides. No one wants to be the title sponsor for a team that never makes the main.

The east west coast thing has to go though.
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JM485 12/31/2019 2:42pm
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Why do the idiotic ideas seem to spike during supercross season, then mellow out once we return to the sanity of outdoors?
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RandyS 12/31/2019 2:47pm
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Maybe follow the NASCAR formula, 250s race on Friday night, 450s race on Saturday night. They could sell tickets twice to see the same thing we see now for one ticket. Yes this idea is as stupid as having one class.
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Racerman967 12/31/2019 2:48pm
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You can have 2 classes if they are both full series. What Steve was talking about is from a marketing perspective. 17 races for 250 and 450. A privateer can race whatever they want. But when a Sexton, Forkner etc is only on TV for half of the races. Thye are limited.
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JOE_SPROCKETS#1 12/31/2019 2:56pm
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Maybe just keep it the same it is now ffs. Whys everyone try to change things. Leave it be and enjoy the racing. If not maybe the sport isn’t for you.
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Mr. Afterbar 12/31/2019 3:02pm
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Racerman967 wrote:
You can have 2 classes if they are both full series. What Steve was talking about is from a marketing perspective. 17 races for 250 and...
You can have 2 classes if they are both full series. What Steve was talking about is from a marketing perspective. 17 races for 250 and 450. A privateer can race whatever they want. But when a Sexton, Forkner etc is only on TV for half of the races. Thye are limited.
That’s not what he meant from my understanding. He wants only one class.
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sandtrack315 wrote:
I think a big issue would be no more factory development of the 250Fs, if they are focusing solely on the 450 class. I do think...
I think a big issue would be no more factory development of the 250Fs, if they are focusing solely on the 450 class.

I do think there would be less rides. No one wants to be the title sponsor for a team that never makes the main.

The east west coast thing has to go though.
If east/west got canned and went to 250's for 17 rounds, you'd lose at least half the rides. Is that what we want??
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Zacka 161 12/31/2019 3:13pm
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He had a few points and reasons for a single class and it was all about making the riders marketablec about pushing for the rider to have an education before becoming pros and make the series easier to follow and I think he partially has a point.

What I think the problem is that in the tv show the 250s get equal air time and equal importance. They run almost the same lap times and often the racing is more exciting. How do you explain that Cooper Webb is a better rider than Austin Forkner to an average viewer or potential sponsor when they just watch the tv program? At most races AF was at it would have looked like he was better.

I think it needs to be rejigged so the 250s are very clearly a SUPPORT FEEDER class and not the main show. Open with the 450s with either with short qualifying races or a super pole or something and then have two 20 minute mains. Slip in a 15 minute main for the 250s or two back to back 10 minute mains between the 450 mains. That’s way it a clear teired system with super stars and a support class.

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kb228 12/31/2019 3:15pm
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Whats with everyone and the 350s? 1 brand makes 350cc bikes. Its not going to work.
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sandtrack315 12/31/2019 3:16pm
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sandtrack315 wrote:
I think a big issue would be no more factory development of the 250Fs, if they are focusing solely on the 450 class. I do think...
I think a big issue would be no more factory development of the 250Fs, if they are focusing solely on the 450 class.

I do think there would be less rides. No one wants to be the title sponsor for a team that never makes the main.

The east west coast thing has to go though.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
If east/west got canned and went to 250's for 17 rounds, you'd lose at least half the rides. Is that what we want??
How? They field them all for outdoors.
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Mr. Afterbar 12/31/2019 3:22pm
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How? They field them all for outdoors.
Because they already have them signed for SX. Doubt teams would run 4+ guys in the same 250 SX class and I doubt they’d hire guys to ride outdoors only. I guess we don’t know until it happens, but I think that’s pretty logical rationale.
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JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:
Maybe just keep it the same it is now ffs. Whys everyone try to change things. Leave it be and enjoy the racing. If not maybe...
Maybe just keep it the same it is now ffs. Whys everyone try to change things. Leave it be and enjoy the racing. If not maybe the sport isn’t for you.
I just want more people riding dirt bikes.
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sandtrack315 wrote:
I think a big issue would be no more factory development of the 250Fs, if they are focusing solely on the 450 class. I do think...
I think a big issue would be no more factory development of the 250Fs, if they are focusing solely on the 450 class.

I do think there would be less rides. No one wants to be the title sponsor for a team that never makes the main.

The east west coast thing has to go though.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
If east/west got canned and went to 250's for 17 rounds, you'd lose at least half the rides. Is that what we want??
sandtrack315 wrote:
How? They field them all for outdoors.
Think of it this way...

Between 2 coasts you have 44 spots just for the mains.

Outdoors you have 40 spots.

Just between the Big 6 250 teams you have 23 riders for 17 rounds if you got rid of east/west. That leaves 1 rider from the factory teams out and gives the rest of the teams almost zero reason to show up other than to ride heats and LCQ's. What sponsor will support satellite teams when their chance of exposure is limited to only heat/LCQ races that are a total of 10 minutes?

Would ML512 bother with his team/250 guys if that was the case? What about team Solataire? What about BWR Honda? Or every other privateer?

I see that doing no good for anyone.
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Racerman967 12/31/2019 3:37pm
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Well maybe some of these kids would stay amateur longer. Or race GNCC. Or some race Supercross and some race Outdoors. Most factory teams would go with 3 riders I presume. So it would be like 450’s where 2-4 privateers make the main.
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Zacka 161 12/31/2019 4:09pm
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JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:
Maybe just keep it the same it is now ffs. Whys everyone try to change things. Leave it be and enjoy the racing. If not maybe...
Maybe just keep it the same it is now ffs. Whys everyone try to change things. Leave it be and enjoy the racing. If not maybe the sport isn’t for you.
‘Maybe the sport isn’t for you’. This sport of packaged and marketed correctly can be for everyone. How many people who have no interest in motocross or freestyle motocross know who Travis Pastrana is but have no idea who Cooper Webb is? I would guess probably a lot of people.

Marketing and packaging is the professional promoters job. And they are doing a ‘good’ job but they could be doing so much better.
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GuyB 12/31/2019 4:25pm
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Jeremy Macbeth wrote:
There is only one class: the 450 class
Gotcha. So you'd be okay with attending races with only the 450 guys racing?

I'm not sure how things would go with half as much show.
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Mr. Afterbar 12/31/2019 4:34pm
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Zacka 161 wrote:
‘Maybe the sport isn’t for you’. This sport of packaged and marketed correctly can be for everyone. How many people who have no interest in motocross...
‘Maybe the sport isn’t for you’. This sport of packaged and marketed correctly can be for everyone. How many people who have no interest in motocross or freestyle motocross know who Travis Pastrana is but have no idea who Cooper Webb is? I would guess probably a lot of people.

Marketing and packaging is the professional promoters job. And they are doing a ‘good’ job but they could be doing so much better.
The thing is, MX isn’t for everyone no matter how well it’s marketed. Things can always be better, but Supercross has been around a long time. It’s not going mainstream. Lots of people don’t get it and don’t care to the same way I don’t care about other sports.
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