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NASCAR Car Of Tomorrow was designed from the ground up to be safer, more competitive and cheaper for the race teams.
Of course they bitched and moaned but lived with it.
It comes down to this," says Dan Davis, director of Ford Racing. "To be credible, you have to win, both races and championships. Building up that credibility influences a customer to the point that when they are ready to buy, they're thinking Ford." It doesn't matter, Davis says, whether it's a Ford Fusion or a Five Hundred or a truck or a minivan. The credibility is for the brand, not the model.
Dodge and Chevy officials have made cuts in their racing programs but still spend millions. Companies do not reveal their NASCAR budgets but De Lorenzo estimates Chrysler spends $45 million, Ford $60 million and GM $90 million a year on marketing and competition. De Lorenzo said GM's figure peaked at an estimated $120-$140 million.
That's a lot of money and the auto industry didn't start their own series so they could do what they wanted and neither would Japan.
What a shitty position for DC to put himself in. He tries and when it doesn’t work (for logical reasons) people pretty much say he is the devil.
Man that guy has done more for this sport than anyone else I can think of. I don’t know him, just been reading his mag. since it came out and racerhead every Friday for the last god knows how many years.
Sometimes things are simply out of your control no matter how much you want the change. But it doesn’t stop people from assuming you have the worst intentions even when it’s the complete opposite.
The pussy and puppet comments really are out of line here. It takes some serious balls to take on what he has taken on……. Flame on!!!!
DC is responsible for all the economic decissions and progress of the average privateer.
DC is responsible for the change, by the OEMs, from 2t to 4t.
DC is responsible for all things AMA, AMA Pro, DMG, Feld, OEM...etc. Shouldn't we add F.I.M., Youth-Stream, F.I.A., DORNA, D.O.D., D.O.E., C.B.O., G.A.O., C.D.C. ...and the U.N., too?
I'm kinda pissed at United! Should we add them?
DC is responsible for your personal frustration and lack of ability to do anything other than bitch like a frustrated little man on the web, too...?
Oh, o.k.
Now I get it.
How's that workin' for ya?
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Alex Hunter #186
"Good stuff, glad I could help...
1st off the 05 250T blew up , well because it was yellow...end of story. Lots of oil in gas, but RM cranks and sand tracks don't mix....RM cranks and 1/2 season with a guy that pins throttle to stops don't mix. Yes the kid is fast and can rip on a 250T, but got tired of having to ride so WFO to keep up with 450's, so we joined the club, that was 05. He made less ER trips after that....and got faster. The 2T's got dusty....
We went through 7 green 250F's in 06, 07, 08 and one 450, but only rode 250F at nationals. No bike problems, engine-wise but broken wheels, subframes, smashed airboxes, 1 broken swingarm, lots of corkscrewed exhausts, you know the stuff that makes you buy another bike every 6 months. Our "Race" bike actually held up pretty good each year. This year he rode 250F again, but back to blue and yes we still also have a 450 and 125 and 250T and a few 250F sitting around....actually you might be right, more money than brains....my bike gets rode 1/3 throttle every other month or so, but I still like a new bike in garage every year, just becuase that is what I have done since college.
I guess choice is good, but neither me or my son would never dream of racing a 250T again, knowing what a well prepped 250F can provide. And who want to to ride an 05 in 2010....I want an "oh-ten", now in 09.....we ain't no vintage riders.....
I just called home and aked my wife "is Alex is out practicing", I asked her how muddy it was, she said pretty bad, then I asked her what bike he was riding, she said is was blue and looked new....had #186 on it......
There you go "new and blue"....one vote from an actual AMA privateer with no money and obviously no brains...."
Have a Good Day!
Manny
Just an idea instead of getting all hostile against DC!
Oh, NO HE DI'N'T!?!
Well...RMs and Sand-Tracks don't mix?
Big D and LaPorte don't TRY to destroy their RM's in the Dez ALL THE TIME? And I mean ALL-THE-TIME!
Really?
So, Rodney, Rick Ryan and the Nor-Cal boys DIDN'T SCHOOL ALL COMERS at Sand Hill and Marysville all those years? On Zooks!
R.C. doesn't, STILL, rip his own Sand-Track on an R.M.? (Not as "Works" as you'd think, either!)
R U out of your head?!
U really shoud see someone about these "Anger-Issues".
I'm jus' sayin',
(Yo, miedos-1, THX!)
Later.
The economy is a big road block right now. We know you'll get it done eventually.
As for the trolls here ...
Forget it Davey, it's the net.
Not many teams, whether factory, factory supported, satellite, are going to want to commit a lot of time, effort and money to a race program where they know there is a good chance they'll never be fighting for wins simply because the other teams chose the option (2st or 4st) for that year that turned out to have an advantage.
And there is no way that anyone will come up with a formula, displacement or otherwise, that will ensure parity. The two powerplants produce such different power/torque characteristics that one or the other will always have an advantage.
So then you are left with two options - endless rule changes to try and achieve parity, or the commitment to one engine configuration (and therefore the death of the other).
We are at that juncture now, and for better or worse I think the choice has already been made, because it's unlikely most OEM's are going to want to continue to build and develop two bikes for the same purpose.
Bear in mind I'm talking about PRO racing here.
"Guys, sorry, I am just the messenger in this case. Not one of the five OEMs, including KTM and Yamaha, want to head this way right now. Nor does Supercross or apparently the GPs, just some of you and me"
"Do you want the teams and the top riders to leave now? I don't. So we are working on homologation rules and requirements for a few other options",
I did want to ask the same question, but didn't want to be the first. I don't seem to notice the big 4 packing up their toys and taking them home. I actually was watching the GNCC's quite often last year, when I thought I might try to make a comeback. I noticed more OEM's out at those like Husky etc. Very interesting that it opens up doors, and didn't seem to close many. I will admit thought, I do have a feeling that a 250 2 stroke ridden by Jason Law, would put a smack down on any and all racers on a 250F. JMHO. I think that is what DC is talking about. Offroad is somewhat different than MX. The LL's races, the top riders are put on 4 strokes, and the one's who are on 2 strokes are basic racers, not the top of the heap. In Pro MX, every team wants to win, so obviously, someone might break promises and show up and clean the house???
So you are saying the OEM feels the 250F is the lesser bike then? That's kind of big news isn't it? That's an argument we have been discussing for years now, finally settled via the OEM!?
If that's the case what kind of rider/privateer would beat the factory riders on their 250F on those? I have some serious problems seeing a guy like Pourcel gets beaten by MrX on a smoker, especially when I think of how RV managed to bitch slap the complete 450F class (RC included) on his 250F in MXDN 2008.
Yeah, that privateer guy on that 06 CR250 is really dangerous? LOL!
Make no sense? But maybe I'm missing something here?
Still, I'm glad you replied.
Pit Row
Now, the idea of 350 four strokes is probably a good one, but that's a rule that the factories would have to agree on - it's no good making a rule that specifies a bike nobody builds. But 250 two strokes are still built by two factories and the others could and would build them if they were in demand. And it's likely that 250Fs would still be competitive against 250Ts anyway. Why ask the factories? If they don't want to play, let them stay home.
This is just another case of pandering to a few powerful people at the expense of the masses. 250 two strokes are probably the least expensive, most fun bikes out there, but if the only place to race them is against 450s, they're going to go away. And if someone like DC doesn't man up and make sure that doesn't happen, that's what's going to happen.
Your kids are going to grow up racing high-strung 150 four strokes, graduate to a high-strung 250 four stroke, then wind up on 450s with a lethal combination of power, weight and high CG. Only wealthy people will participate in the sport at all because the cost is going to be outrageous. And the noise will bedevil the sport and close riding areas. And all the time, the best motocross machine ever built will stop being sold because those with the power to make the rules pussed out and let the factories tell them what to do.
MONEY TALKS!!!!
Your suggestion would make for an interesting one off race, but over the course of a season the serious competitors would quickly work out which displacement/stroke had the advantage and soon everyone would be running that because to not do so would place you at a disadvantage.
Again I want to reiterate that I'm talking about PRO racing, where costs are less of a factor, and teams/sponsors/OEM's are looking for return on investment.
As I understand it you can already race two strokes more (?) competitively in amateur classes. If so then I don't see the problem?
I don't really buy the "need to have what the pro's are racing" argument. You can't buy MotoGP bikes, World Rally Cars, NASCARs (even World Superbikes are heavily modified). As someone posted above about the NASCAR example, it's much more about BRAND recognition than model recognition.
As long as you can't race a 250T competitively in pro racing, the 250T will continue to disappear. Which, conveniently, is what the factories want to happen, thus their resistance to allowing equal cc racing in the Nationals.
It's not a matter of nostalgic vibes - it's a matter of a 250T being the best bike for lots of riders - it's cheaper to buy, cheaper to race, cheaper to maintain, and performs better than a 250F in many ways. To allow it to disappear because organizers don't want to tell the factories what the rules are, and allow the factories to dictate the rules to them, is a disservice to the sport. If the AMA would have stood up to the factories in the early 90s, we'd be able to go down to our local dealer and buy a brand new 500 two stroke with the latest chassis and suspension. Wouldn't that be nice?
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