Beach Races And Plastic Pollution

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11/14/2018 4:35am
I really don't understand the mentality of some people.

"Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could only do a little."

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11/14/2018 4:36am
I applaud the OP for thinking big picture and wanting to talk about an issue rather than blame other places because they do things worse.
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Ray_MXS
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11/14/2018 4:46am
footglove wrote:
I really don't understand the mentality of some people.

"Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could only do a little."

And this is why we can never stop trying to be better.
Hopefully the "no point trying so lets ruin the planet even more" people are exclusively older people and that the younger generations are more optimistic and educated and maybe, just maybe, we can turn this around still.
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just James
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11/14/2018 5:45am
Ray_MXS wrote:
Well, you sound like your president and an idiot at the same time!
You also get paid by oil companies?
My president, who many around the world love to criticize, recently signed legislation to begin dealing with the plastic pollution in the oceans.
His immediate predecessor in office did nothing that I am aware of to deal with this issue.
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just James wrote:
My president, who many around the world love to criticize, recently signed legislation to begin dealing with the plastic pollution in the oceans. His immediate predecessor...
My president, who many around the world love to criticize, recently signed legislation to begin dealing with the plastic pollution in the oceans.
His immediate predecessor in office did nothing that I am aware of to deal with this issue.


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Anyway, enough about presidents and politicians, this is about raising awareness of a problem in our sport and doing the right thing, anyone on here know any personnel tied to the event or have any links?
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11/14/2018 6:17am
jak200 wrote:
Anyway, enough about presidents and politicians, this is about raising awareness of a problem in our sport and doing the right thing, anyone on here know...
Anyway, enough about presidents and politicians, this is about raising awareness of a problem in our sport and doing the right thing, anyone on here know any personnel tied to the event or have any links?
Agreed. Apologies for contributing to the sidetracking.
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11/14/2018 10:05am
KDXGarage wrote:
Please look up the definition of "triage". You are on here talking about tear offs. Check out this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkSXB-lRAp0 .kyle, 50% of Indian households don't...
Please look up the definition of "triage".

You are on here talking about tear offs. Check out this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkSXB-lRAp0

.kyle, 50% of Indian households don't have a toilet. Please read up.

I am glad you children care, but giving someone a dreaded "thumb down" on the internet won't stop all the polluting going on.

Merida, the plastic he spoke of is buried in the ground, not melted.

Maybe some of you youngsters can go pick up the used tear offs? You all are going to have an early heart attack with all that worrying.
That’s a stupid post
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KDXGarage wrote:
Please look up the definition of "triage". You are on here talking about tear offs. Check out this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkSXB-lRAp0 .kyle, 50% of Indian households don't...
Please look up the definition of "triage".

You are on here talking about tear offs. Check out this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkSXB-lRAp0

.kyle, 50% of Indian households don't have a toilet. Please read up.

I am glad you children care, but giving someone a dreaded "thumb down" on the internet won't stop all the polluting going on.

Merida, the plastic he spoke of is buried in the ground, not melted.

Maybe some of you youngsters can go pick up the used tear offs? You all are going to have an early heart attack with all that worrying.
No toilet - hence my appropriate term crap hole. Just kidding.

Not quite sure what not having toilets has to do with it. That is just as much about their backwards culture.

You really are one hell of a negative Nancy. Thankfully there are people out there who care about plastic waste. It's just a shame there are idiots like you with your 'let's attack people who care' attitude.
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11/14/2018 12:11pm
Tarz483 wrote:
My little Brother was in the Navy and after the Ship Is 1 mile off shore all Garbage goes overboard, finish a bottle of mountain dew...
My little Brother was in the Navy and after the Ship
Is 1 mile off shore all Garbage goes overboard, finish a bottle of mountain dew ,throw it in the ocean etc ,thats what they are told to do . i was shocked to hear that and a bit horrified , but if the whole us Military is doing that
Imagine how much Garbage that is.
He said they have to do that or they would have to much Garbage is what he was told but still in this day and age you would think there has to be a better way.
Pirate421 wrote:
That is fortunately incorrect. There are laws about shipboard garbage, what can and can’t go overboard (food only and some cardboard). Large ships have incinerators and...
That is fortunately incorrect. There are laws about shipboard garbage, what can and can’t go overboard (food only and some cardboard). Large ships have incinerators and a lot of garbage is stored for the next port of call. Plastic is never allowed over board.

I was on a ship for 3 years and currently work on enforcing maritime pollution laws.
There was a show on the History channel one time about navy ships and they are extremely stringent on their trash collection and disposal procedures and policies. You are exactly right, only food and some cardboard is allowed to be discarded after it's been compressed. It's not like they are just dumping garbage into the ocean. It's mostly compressed into cubes and sinks to the bottom of the ocean where the food and cardboard biodegrade. Anything else is either incinerated or compressed and stored for offloading at a port. That kind of garbage is never discarded in the ocean by the Navy. That's a good way to get your ass in a heap of trouble.
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11/14/2018 12:33pm
Biodegradable, non-degradable, wont matter, I am still gonna yank all 5 of them off at once
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"first world problems"
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11/14/2018 2:17pm
Sweetd31 wrote:
Biodegradable, non-degradable, wont matter, I am still gonna yank all 5 of them off at once
Lol!!! Always at the worse possible time too! Like on the first lap, coming out of the first turn while you are mid pack....

Thank God I am a decent starter Laughing
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11/14/2018 2:24pm
Tarz483 wrote:
My little Brother was in the Navy and after the Ship Is 1 mile off shore all Garbage goes overboard, finish a bottle of mountain dew...
My little Brother was in the Navy and after the Ship
Is 1 mile off shore all Garbage goes overboard, finish a bottle of mountain dew ,throw it in the ocean etc ,thats what they are told to do . i was shocked to hear that and a bit horrified , but if the whole us Military is doing that
Imagine how much Garbage that is.
He said they have to do that or they would have to much Garbage is what he was told but still in this day and age you would think there has to be a better way.
Pirate421 wrote:
That is fortunately incorrect. There are laws about shipboard garbage, what can and can’t go overboard (food only and some cardboard). Large ships have incinerators and...
That is fortunately incorrect. There are laws about shipboard garbage, what can and can’t go overboard (food only and some cardboard). Large ships have incinerators and a lot of garbage is stored for the next port of call. Plastic is never allowed over board.

I was on a ship for 3 years and currently work on enforcing maritime pollution laws.
I was on CVN-71 for a few years. They had huge trash compactors and incinerators running 24/7. Like Pirate said, it's mostly food waste that gets tossed. Almost everything on the ship has the ships name or something military related printed on it. Along with Greenpeace hawking everything they do, it would be national news if it was common practice. Thats not to say there isn't unbelievable amounts of trash in the ocean. You could be in the middle of the Atlantic and roll through a city size waste area..
11/14/2018 6:21pm
I hate plastic. Won't be long until we are up to our necks in the stuff. Watched a program on Discovery about large scale recycling in California private sector business for profit. They stated that within 30 years there will be no such thing as newly made plastic it will be 99% recycled. Advancements in technology will allow this. The USA is becominh a shithole mess with litter, makes you sick.Sick
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11/14/2018 7:36pm
It’s so refreshing that the moto community cares about the environment. I opened the thread expecting to see a much higher percentage of Vitardation.
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11/14/2018 7:54pm
alex69 wrote:
Says a guy who lives in a country that's use the most fossil fuels per capita. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/14/302430/s1200_usepercapita.jpg[/img] oh no it is obviously fake news.
Says a guy who lives in a country that's use the most fossil fuels per capita.

oh no it is obviously fake news.
You stated we use the most fossil fuel but then post a graph about energy usage... those 2 arent the same Whistling
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11/14/2018 11:13pm
As if the countries on the far left of the chart are saying "we can afford to use the energy, but make a conscious decision to not do so". HA HA

OP, any luck on getting in touch with the race promoter? Maybe you could promote your own race with banned tear offs and allow the racer to choose which he / she prefers to compete in??
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KDXGarage wrote:
As if the countries on the far left of the chart are saying "we can afford to use the energy, but make a conscious decision to...
As if the countries on the far left of the chart are saying "we can afford to use the energy, but make a conscious decision to not do so". HA HA

OP, any luck on getting in touch with the race promoter? Maybe you could promote your own race with banned tear offs and allow the racer to choose which he / she prefers to compete in??
I don’t know why your being so cocky about it, I’m just trying to raise awareness and let the promoter see what the good people want ( not you) and ban them from Weston beach race like red bull knockout and Le Touquet which I have now learnt have banned them.

People like you always complain saying moto isn’t what it used to be and all the good tracks have close etc, a good part of that is probably because people like you have that I don’t care attitude, I just don’t understand why you can’t get behind the idea as you know it’s the right thing to do.

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11/15/2018 12:09am
Read an article that micro plastics are found in 90% of table salt.
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I hope we now follow enduro and ban tear-off. As a first step ban it for practice. If i where a track owner i would ban tear off for practice. In 5 years ban it for racing also, or that you could have 1 tear off for starts on top of your roll-off system.

We need to be proactive if we want to protect the MX-sport.
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11/15/2018 3:39am
alex69 wrote:
Says a guy who lives in a country that's use the most fossil fuels per capita. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/14/302430/s1200_usepercapita.jpg[/img] oh no it is obviously fake news.
Says a guy who lives in a country that's use the most fossil fuels per capita.

oh no it is obviously fake news.
colintrax wrote:
You stated we use the most fossil fuel but then post a graph about energy usage... those 2 arent the same Whistling
It's Kilograms of oil equivalent.
So yes it's fossil fuel, in fact 87% of the global energy consumption is fossil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_energy_consumption_p…

Humanity is poisoning/destroying itself, overpopulation is a big problem, but everybody wants a better life not only the western world, it's always the pot calls the kettle black.

On topic:

In most of Europian countries the tears off are forbidden, but there always people who think the rules are not for them because they are the next big thing.
These guys don't understand when the circuit is closed and the treehuggers walks around in the area and find tears off the circuit has a problem those huggers will tackle everything to close a circuit.
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That's a great point and I'm sure most (myself included) have never even thought about. I found some stuff about biodegradable tear offs but it looks...
That's a great point and I'm sure most (myself included) have never even thought about. I found some stuff about biodegradable tear offs but it looks like you can't stack more than 5 without the view getting foggy. They also aren't made to go into the ocean.

Being environmentally friendly and competing in any motorsport doesn't exactly go hand in hand. This is actually something that's been on my mind a lot lately. I feel like the biggest issue for the dirt bike crowd itself is that most of enthusiast are ignorant to the issues.
Environmentally friendly and Off road sports do go hand in hand as without that supplemental income land owners can get from hosting off road events that land will end up being sold to developers, so where once you had green nature friendly land occasionally used for sport/recreation is now gone and replaced with bricks and mortar.

Biodegradable tear-offs are not the answer. Instead of a large easy to see and collect piece of plastic you end up with microscopic particulates which are then absorbed by microscopic organisms which are then consumed by larger organisms and on up through the food chain it goes till it reaches us.

While it is commendable to want to reduce plastic use the biggest positive impact for the environment will be a massive reduction in the human population, something the eco warriors are so very scared to talk about.
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11/15/2018 5:07am
So what your saying is that your happy to pull that tear off for your own safety doing your hobby over maybe a sea turtle who had lived for 100 years, lived through 2 world wars, who has seen the ocean change dramatically in the last century dies because he ate your tear off thinking it was a jellyfish but it’s ok as you got to see better for those extra 2 laps,

All I’m trying to get across is that the beach races should be mandatory roll offs, all of them not a select few
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Like I said, roll offs instead of tear offs
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11/15/2018 5:54am
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Thoughts???? My thought is that China and India polluting the oceans is FAR worse than tear offs. Have you made any posts on Chinese or Indian...
Thoughts????

My thought is that China and India polluting the oceans is FAR worse than tear offs.

Have you made any posts on Chinese or Indian forums in an effort to encourage them to stop MASSIVE pollution?
Gotta love all the thumbs down from the 7th graders. They ignore the real problems because they know Mexico, China, India and all the other mass polluters of the world don't give a damn about what they have to say. Instead, it makes them feel better to come on a moto forum and complain about you and I who clean up after themselves. Meanwhile, back to the Ganges...

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11/15/2018 6:01am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2018 6:03am

20,000 Tear Off's ?
I'm having a hard time spotting them - please help.
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DoubleA wrote:
Bio-degradable tear offs.
jak200 wrote:
Or just don’t litter the beach in the first place, bio-degradable tear offs are still a problem, animals will still eat them before they are broken...
Or just don’t litter the beach in the first place, bio-degradable tear offs are still a problem, animals will still eat them before they are broken down which can take up to 3-6 months
Obviously that would be the ultimate goal but nothing will ever happen just like that you need to take slow steady steps, its like trying to ride a mx bike, you dont sign up to race MXGP or AMA without even riding a bike its takes steps to where you want to be.

You act like it is just the ocean where litter is the problem, have you ever done a local meeting where livestock use that field when not hosting an MX race, what happens if they eat a tear off?

Whos going to be the first goggle brand which comes out with window wipers on the goggles?
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11/15/2018 6:04am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2018 6:05am
I don't know why people use tear offs, I don't see how you can get enough on to last 1.5 hours of a wet beach race before your pit stop. I only use rip and rolls as I think they are superior for beach racing, if you prep them right they won't explode when covered in wet sand either.
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11/15/2018 8:35am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2018 8:37am
@KDXGarbage and newmann, have you ever thought about how strange it is that the massive pollution that is going on in Asia increased rapidly when we (Europe and North America) moved most of our dirty industrial manufacturing jobs over there to save a penny or two? It is almost as if we (that means all of us here, Euros and Americans alike) are consuming the living hell out of the goods that are being produced in China (which includes your shiny iPhones and what have you) and sort of in a strange way contribute to their pollution-problem.

What I am saying is basically this; if you own anything which contains components that are produced in Asia, you too have contributed to the pollution over there (which just half a century ago would have been pollution where you are). This is basic middle school knowledge.

Now, if what you are saying is that we (collectively, humankind, people who live on our only home called earth) should worry less about how to stop tear-offs off all things from littering the oceans and instead focus on solving the pollution-problem over in China and India, then you have a point (though I personally don't see why one rules out the other). But the way you put it sounds a whole lot more like you are saying that "they" have to fix it, and you will not do anything until that happens because "why bother?".

Now excuse me while I go and throw my trash on my neighbors lawn and then mailing in a complaint to the authorities about how filthy their property is getting while bragging about my own squeaky clean lawn.

I'm sorry for contributing to the derailment of the thread. And it is hella' reassuring to see that most people here love moto because they love riding/racing, not because they hate nature.
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