#12: MXGP of Indonesia - June 25-26

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6/26/2022 8:47am
fpandjic wrote:
Febvre was injured for quite some time, but still, he won't get 2s faster lap times and I doubt he is far from his fastest lap...
Febvre was injured for quite some time, but still, he won't get 2s faster lap times and I doubt he is far from his fastest lap times. In my opinion, he is lacking 0.5-1s on his fastest lap times, but more importantly he is missing the intensity and race pace. Once Febvre and JH are fully back, I think Gajser will have to get out from running a really comfortable pace to being more outside of his comfort zone.
Books wrote:
Only the first moto the laptime was bigger, other then that and the German GP, Febvre isn’t that far off with only 1 month on the...
Only the first moto the laptime was bigger, other then that and the German GP, Febvre isn’t that far off with only 1 month on the bike.

Gajser also didn’t finish on the podium for 3 GPs straight this year.

Yes, we haven’t seen Gasjer riding without visor or a clip where he grenade him self Grinning
Helps herlings in not racing, gajser can ride 90% and still win.
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D_L118 wrote:
All in all, good GP. Decent track and crowd. I'm wondering how much they asked for a weekend ticket? In my opinion there's nothing wrong with...
All in all, good GP. Decent track and crowd. I'm wondering how much they asked for a weekend ticket?

In my opinion there's nothing wrong with going to places like this or Argentina,... Problem is our sport doesn't have the outside sponsorship/money like motoGP of F1 has.
Really the core issue is Infront not providing a budget for the teams to make the trip. It’s kind of a silly world when the teams have to pay to participate in order for someone else (Infront) to make money while they themselves make 0.
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D_L118 wrote:
All in all, good GP. Decent track and crowd. I'm wondering how much they asked for a weekend ticket? In my opinion there's nothing wrong with...
All in all, good GP. Decent track and crowd. I'm wondering how much they asked for a weekend ticket?

In my opinion there's nothing wrong with going to places like this or Argentina,... Problem is our sport doesn't have the outside sponsorship/money like motoGP of F1 has.
EnvyMedia wrote:
Really the core issue is Infront not providing a budget for the teams to make the trip. It’s kind of a silly world when the teams...
Really the core issue is Infront not providing a budget for the teams to make the trip. It’s kind of a silly world when the teams have to pay to participate in order for someone else (Infront) to make money while they themselves make 0.
I completely agree with your post. But let's say Infront is picking up the tab for some of the travelling and shipping costs.
Let's say 20k per rider, 2 classes and only the top 15, that makes 30 riders or 600.000 euros. that's a lot of money.
Are they really making that much money on a GP in Indonesia?
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6/26/2022 9:06am
philG wrote:
Well someone needs to have made money, the riders certainly havent.
ayearinmx wrote:
The riders have made money, its the teams that haven't... but that's not the first thing you've been wrong about. Before the race, you complained the...
The riders have made money, its the teams that haven't... but that's not the first thing you've been wrong about.


Before the race, you complained the track was flat, now that you've been proved wrong on that, it's become a shambles, when in fact the event was really well organised. I'm not even sure how you can talk about it when you're in England, and yet you try and convince everyone that you know things like this.

Sure, it definitely needs more riders and hopefully when travel isn't so extortiantly high, more riders can come and enjoy what has been a wonderful experience here. The food situation is one that affects people differently and the chartered flights definitely didn't go as smoothly as it should have, but saying we shouldn't have a race here just strikes of being Eurocentric, and that's sad
I never said the track was flat, in fact i dont recall saying anything about the track.

It doesnt matter how good it is, the fact that a world Championship event can only muster 25 riders over 2 classes says it all.

Argentina is a great GP, Australia and NZ would be great additions, as would a return to South Africa and the USA.

I dont even have a problem with Russia

I guess we will find out over the next few days what the reality was from those not having to tow the company line.

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cjg23307 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/06/26/556778/s1200_232DD3B4_58C9_4FD3_8F5C_5BB9DB2AB912.jpg[/img]

Not sure who took this picture but it’s one of the most badass shots I’ve seen in awhile. Wish fox would make a poster out of this.
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Books wrote:
Only the first moto the laptime was bigger, other then that and the German GP, Febvre isn’t that far off with only 1 month on the...
Only the first moto the laptime was bigger, other then that and the German GP, Febvre isn’t that far off with only 1 month on the bike.

Gajser also didn’t finish on the podium for 3 GPs straight this year.

Yes, we haven’t seen Gasjer riding without visor or a clip where he grenade him self Grinning
Yes, you are right, Febvre isn't at its best yet, but they are professionals and they don't need months and months to achieve their fastest laptimes. I think he needs a few more good races and maybe he can challenge Gajser by the end of season, if Gajser doesn't go to safe mode due to big championship lead.

"Gajser also didn’t finish on the podium for 3 GPs straight this year."
You do realize that Gajser almost didn't ride Saridinia due to sickness, which also reflected to its next gp as well (and not even appearing on the podium for red plate). Not sure why would you bring that to conversation...

All in all, things will be different when all top 3 MXGP riders are back to racing together in 2023.
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6/26/2022 11:36am
EnvyMedia wrote:
Really the core issue is Infront not providing a budget for the teams to make the trip. It’s kind of a silly world when the teams...
Really the core issue is Infront not providing a budget for the teams to make the trip. It’s kind of a silly world when the teams have to pay to participate in order for someone else (Infront) to make money while they themselves make 0.
The core of the issue is not that Infront isnt providing a travel budget.

The core of the issue is that Infront believes that the tv exposure & atrendance figures of the championship as a whole is a great platform for teams to find money for theur team. Luongo jr. literally just said this 2 weeks ago in an interview.

The reality is quite different: Just a few weeks ago we had 21 and 22 guys ride in time practice of mx2 and mxgp in an Italian (!) GP. Because the money to pay for it all simply isnt in reach based on the "platform" infront offers.
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6/26/2022 11:48am Edited Date/Time 6/26/2022 11:49am
No need to add to the slim field comments, so....
That was a crazy downhill triple, they were clearing, immediately into a right hand turn at the bottom.
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6/26/2022 1:19pm
roninho wrote:
The core of the issue is not that Infront isnt providing a travel budget. The core of the issue is that Infront believes that the tv...
The core of the issue is not that Infront isnt providing a travel budget.

The core of the issue is that Infront believes that the tv exposure & atrendance figures of the championship as a whole is a great platform for teams to find money for theur team. Luongo jr. literally just said this 2 weeks ago in an interview.

The reality is quite different: Just a few weeks ago we had 21 and 22 guys ride in time practice of mx2 and mxgp in an Italian (!) GP. Because the money to pay for it all simply isnt in reach based on the "platform" infront offers.
This.

There is only one reason teams didn’t go to Indonesia. They couldn’t afford it.

If they can’t generate enough money from the platform created by the promoter then that doesn’t suggest that Infront’s strategy is working.
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6/26/2022 1:22pm
Anybody see that flagger get creamed in MX2..Jesus...Shocked
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6/26/2022 1:40pm
No need to add to the slim field comments, so.... That was a crazy downhill triple, they were clearing, immediately into a right hand turn at...
No need to add to the slim field comments, so....
That was a crazy downhill triple, they were clearing, immediately into a right hand turn at the bottom.
That downhill triple looked like a full send!
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6/26/2022 4:28pm
Why oh why don't they make a 6 week road trip out of it and ship everything together.
Indonesia then Australia, and finally New Zealand?
How hard could it be?
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6/26/2022 9:59pm
Big Lenny wrote:
Anybody see that flagger get creamed in MX2..Jesus...Shocked
Just watched that. That was gnarly. Poor guy had nowhere to go. Hopefully he's OK.
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6/26/2022 10:55pm
Fastest laps of the races

MX2 race 1

2.01.523 = Tom Vialle
2.02.181 = Simon Laengenfelder
2.02.259 = Jago Geerts
2.02.810 = Kevin Horgmo
2.02.894 = Thibault Benistant
2.03.322 = Kay De Wolf
2.03.736 = Mikkel Haarup
2.04.068 = Andrea Adamo
2.04.379 = Stephen Rubini
2.05.927 = Kay Karssemakers

MXGP race 1

1.59.345 = Tim Gajser
1.59.929 = Jorge Prado Garcia
1.59.941 = Ruben Fernandez
2.00.600 = Glenn Coldenhoff
2.00.656 = Mitchell Evans
2.00.945 = Jed Beaton
2.01.118 = Romain Febvre
2.01.869 = Jeremy Seewer
2.01.881 = Calvin Vlaanderen
2.02.019 = Pauls Jonass

MX2 race 2

2.03.046 = Simon Laengenfelder
2.03.345 = Tom Vialle
2.04.415 = Jago Geerts
2.04.547 = Thibault Benistant
2.04.784 = Andrea Adamo
2.06.418 = Mikkel Haarup
2.06.772 = Kay Karssemakers
2.08.410 = Kevin Horgmo
2.11.832 = Stephen Rubini
2.14.407 = Delvintor Alfarizi

MXGP race 2

2.00.234 = Tim Gajser
2.00.772 = Mitchell Evans
2.01.017 = Jorge Prado Garcia
2.01.788 = Romain Febvre
2.01.839 = Pauls Jonass
2.02.194 = Jeremy Seewer
2.02.314 = Ruben Fernandez
2.02.667 = Mattia Guadagnini
2.02.694 = Glenn Coldenhoff
2.03.821 = Calvin Vlaanderen
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cjg23307 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/06/26/556778/s1200_232DD3B4_58C9_4FD3_8F5C_5BB9DB2AB912.jpg[/img]

cjg23307 wrote:
Not sure who took this picture but it’s one of the most badass shots I’ve seen in awhile. Wish fox would make a poster out of...
Not sure who took this picture but it’s one of the most badass shots I’ve seen in awhile. Wish fox would make a poster out of this.
I would love to have a high quality version of this one. Any idea who took the picture?
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DeStouwer wrote:
[b]There are some threads already about the entries and the track, but I thought to make an "official" thread about this GP. Maybe the moderators can...
There are some threads already about the entries and the track, but I thought to make an "official" thread about this GP. Maybe the moderators can mold everything together? Thanks in advance.

Well: the field this weekend will be extremely thin like everyone knows, but I have to admit that track looks great! The riders seem enthousiastic aswell.

So in my opinion the problem isn't "what the hell are they doing in Indonesia", but the problem is the costs. Teams are paying over € 80,000 for 2 riders, 7 team members and the material to get there. All this for about 3 hours of racing. That's just absurd.

The GP's have been going to Indonesia since the late '90s, when the 125cc-class had a GP there (Jogyakarta if I recall correctly). Ofcourse not every rider made the expensive trip, but back then the top 15 of the standings got the shipping costs for free by the promotor ActionGroup (which was already led by Giuseppe Luongo - yes, him - back then).

That's not the case anymore these days. Everything got more and more expensive with the years, and with the current economical circumstances it's no surprise only a few teams (only the factory teams) make the trip. Also because they just can't sit it out. They have responsabilities to their manufacturers and sponsors.

So don't blame the Indonesian organisers, nor make fun of the local riders who will only do their absolute best they can, like they've always done in GPs like Brazil, Venezuela, Indonesia,.... Blame InFront. Blame David Luongo.

For shame, what those people are doing with our so so beloved sport.
Or FIM
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Just watched that. That was gnarly. Poor guy had nowhere to go. Hopefully he's OK.
What are your thoughts on that? You guys think Vialle could have avoided the flagger and loose more times by drastically slowing or there was nothing he could have done? If yes, is it for penalty since we all know the rules about safe exit/enter the track?

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6/27/2022 3:46am
Hot take: This years Gajser beats JH if he was out there. Still sucks last years title got taken away from that broken collarbone but he’ll keep racking up stats while Jeffery runs his mouth on the couch
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Glad to see Evans slowly getting back up to speed. Should be just about right by MXdN.
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6/27/2022 4:21am
Hot take: This years Gajser beats JH if he was out there. Still sucks last years title got taken away from that broken collarbone but he’ll...
Hot take: This years Gajser beats JH if he was out there. Still sucks last years title got taken away from that broken collarbone but he’ll keep racking up stats while Jeffery runs his mouth on the couch
Man, really? Jeffrey is an amazing AMAZING talent. Respect where respect is due. He might have an odd approach in the way he presents in the latest interview, but, on the track, he's something else! Give it up for guys like this.
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CPR wrote:
Glad to see Evans slowly getting back up to speed. Should be just about right by MXdN.
Your team will be very strong if the brothers stays healthy and Evans keeps building. Anything less than a podium would be a surprise.
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Hot take: This years Gajser beats JH if he was out there. Still sucks last years title got taken away from that broken collarbone but he’ll...
Hot take: This years Gajser beats JH if he was out there. Still sucks last years title got taken away from that broken collarbone but he’ll keep racking up stats while Jeffery runs his mouth on the couch
You must be joking? Or realy realy have no idea
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Just watched that. That was gnarly. Poor guy had nowhere to go. Hopefully he's OK.
fpandjic wrote:
What are your thoughts on that? You guys think Vialle could have avoided the flagger and loose more times by drastically slowing or there was nothing...
What are your thoughts on that? You guys think Vialle could have avoided the flagger and loose more times by drastically slowing or there was nothing he could have done? If yes, is it for penalty since we all know the rules about safe exit/enter the track?

There was nothing either could do. Vialle was hard on the brakes and trying to avoid the guy. The downhill was just too steep.
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6/27/2022 5:17am
roninho wrote:
The core of the issue is not that Infront isnt providing a travel budget. The core of the issue is that Infront believes that the tv...
The core of the issue is not that Infront isnt providing a travel budget.

The core of the issue is that Infront believes that the tv exposure & atrendance figures of the championship as a whole is a great platform for teams to find money for theur team. Luongo jr. literally just said this 2 weeks ago in an interview.

The reality is quite different: Just a few weeks ago we had 21 and 22 guys ride in time practice of mx2 and mxgp in an Italian (!) GP. Because the money to pay for it all simply isnt in reach based on the "platform" infront offers.
What’s the alternative model ?

Clearly the only reason we go to markets like Indonesia is it’s part of the deal to gain factory support from Honda etc

How do we increase funding for the smaller teams ?

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6/27/2022 6:26am
cjg23307 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/06/26/556778/s1200_232DD3B4_58C9_4FD3_8F5C_5BB9DB2AB912.jpg[/img]

cjg23307 wrote:
Not sure who took this picture but it’s one of the most badass shots I’ve seen in awhile. Wish fox would make a poster out of...
Not sure who took this picture but it’s one of the most badass shots I’ve seen in awhile. Wish fox would make a poster out of this.
Cortami79 wrote:
I would love to have a high quality version of this one. Any idea who took the picture?
He put it on his Instagram now. Says on his photo who took it.
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6/27/2022 8:26am
Ignoring the track, and the cost...

Almost 100 hours of travel and 10 flights for some guys, to hope you dont get sick and end up on a drip, for 2 races on track that was hard to pass on, and wasnt much fun to race

And the place was a mess.

Still , the locals were freindly, so its all good.
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Fastest laps of the races MX2 race 1 2.01.523 = Tom Vialle 2.02.181 = Simon Laengenfelder 2.02.259 = Jago Geerts 2.02.810 = Kevin Horgmo 2.02.894 =...
Fastest laps of the races

MX2 race 1

2.01.523 = Tom Vialle
2.02.181 = Simon Laengenfelder
2.02.259 = Jago Geerts
2.02.810 = Kevin Horgmo
2.02.894 = Thibault Benistant
2.03.322 = Kay De Wolf
2.03.736 = Mikkel Haarup
2.04.068 = Andrea Adamo
2.04.379 = Stephen Rubini
2.05.927 = Kay Karssemakers

MXGP race 1

1.59.345 = Tim Gajser
1.59.929 = Jorge Prado Garcia
1.59.941 = Ruben Fernandez
2.00.600 = Glenn Coldenhoff
2.00.656 = Mitchell Evans
2.00.945 = Jed Beaton
2.01.118 = Romain Febvre
2.01.869 = Jeremy Seewer
2.01.881 = Calvin Vlaanderen
2.02.019 = Pauls Jonass

MX2 race 2

2.03.046 = Simon Laengenfelder
2.03.345 = Tom Vialle
2.04.415 = Jago Geerts
2.04.547 = Thibault Benistant
2.04.784 = Andrea Adamo
2.06.418 = Mikkel Haarup
2.06.772 = Kay Karssemakers
2.08.410 = Kevin Horgmo
2.11.832 = Stephen Rubini
2.14.407 = Delvintor Alfarizi

MXGP race 2

2.00.234 = Tim Gajser
2.00.772 = Mitchell Evans
2.01.017 = Jorge Prado Garcia
2.01.788 = Romain Febvre
2.01.839 = Pauls Jonass
2.02.194 = Jeremy Seewer
2.02.314 = Ruben Fernandez
2.02.667 = Mattia Guadagnini
2.02.694 = Glenn Coldenhoff
2.03.821 = Calvin Vlaanderen
A lap time of 2.02 translates to a mean speed of 51.3 km/h (track length is supposed to be 1740 m.)
That's a fast track, I think FIM says that the mean speed must not exceed 50 km/h.
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Fastest laps of the races MX2 race 1 2.01.523 = Tom Vialle 2.02.181 = Simon Laengenfelder 2.02.259 = Jago Geerts 2.02.810 = Kevin Horgmo 2.02.894 =...
Fastest laps of the races

MX2 race 1

2.01.523 = Tom Vialle
2.02.181 = Simon Laengenfelder
2.02.259 = Jago Geerts
2.02.810 = Kevin Horgmo
2.02.894 = Thibault Benistant
2.03.322 = Kay De Wolf
2.03.736 = Mikkel Haarup
2.04.068 = Andrea Adamo
2.04.379 = Stephen Rubini
2.05.927 = Kay Karssemakers

MXGP race 1

1.59.345 = Tim Gajser
1.59.929 = Jorge Prado Garcia
1.59.941 = Ruben Fernandez
2.00.600 = Glenn Coldenhoff
2.00.656 = Mitchell Evans
2.00.945 = Jed Beaton
2.01.118 = Romain Febvre
2.01.869 = Jeremy Seewer
2.01.881 = Calvin Vlaanderen
2.02.019 = Pauls Jonass

MX2 race 2

2.03.046 = Simon Laengenfelder
2.03.345 = Tom Vialle
2.04.415 = Jago Geerts
2.04.547 = Thibault Benistant
2.04.784 = Andrea Adamo
2.06.418 = Mikkel Haarup
2.06.772 = Kay Karssemakers
2.08.410 = Kevin Horgmo
2.11.832 = Stephen Rubini
2.14.407 = Delvintor Alfarizi

MXGP race 2

2.00.234 = Tim Gajser
2.00.772 = Mitchell Evans
2.01.017 = Jorge Prado Garcia
2.01.788 = Romain Febvre
2.01.839 = Pauls Jonass
2.02.194 = Jeremy Seewer
2.02.314 = Ruben Fernandez
2.02.667 = Mattia Guadagnini
2.02.694 = Glenn Coldenhoff
2.03.821 = Calvin Vlaanderen
larsen wrote:
A lap time of 2.02 translates to a mean speed of 51.3 km/h (track length is supposed to be 1740 m.) That's a fast track, I...
A lap time of 2.02 translates to a mean speed of 51.3 km/h (track length is supposed to be 1740 m.)
That's a fast track, I think FIM says that the mean speed must not exceed 50 km/h.
It always used to be 50 km/hr. However it was changed to 60 I think.
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