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Funny thread, on one side we have Stark nightmare scenario, deep sand track, overheating, and on the other side we have Stark dream scenario, C rider on hardpack getting 1h range with some battery left. If you were both on the same track, you would still end up with wildly different range. Smith, your next test, swapping bikes with your buddy for a run, will be very informative.

Have you swapped bikes with yo ur friends to see if you get better run time on there’s and they get worse on yours?

You can’t properly evaluate the bike if the suspension is not set up for you, particularly springs. You are still assuming you’ll have the same feeling after respring and revalve but you don’t know that to be true because you haven’t tried it. For some reason your dragging your feet on getting the suspension set up. Which is the first step in getting a bike dialed in for yourself. Mind boggling stuff, maybe just a troll I don’t know.

There aren’t any HRC engineers on here so I’m not sure the answer your trying to find? Number 1 thing is to go up a spring rate your comment “ SAG, yes I have run from around 100mm to about 107mm. For sure the harshness is noticeably better at 100 than say 105” is further indication along with your fork settings your undersprung and riding around in the harsh part of the travel, especially on the rear. It’s hardly fair to evaluate a bikes performance with out addressing the simple setup items that will allow you to get a real...

25 crf 450 vs 25 350 Chassis feel. first let me say this. I rode & wanted to like a 24 & older crf450 but up in the head tube & right under seat a shock tower I felt a stiffness or apparently" lack of" which gave a edgy harsh feel & twitchy . Suspension changes you could do at home did not correct it.I have since rode a Factory connection set up with linkage ect. that is pretty good.also has.a Vortex with a very smooth map 24 & older. Ok the 350 I have had a 25 ,2- 23's...

Im not sure this question was directed at me, but heres my take on the compare between the 25 sxf350 and the 25 crf450 Ive been on ktms for the last 5 years and they are superior to any jap bike in these areas... Breaks, the brembos really are usefully better. They are more linear and consistent. I didnt realize how much my corner entrance was influenced by the brembos. The jap brakes dont give that confidence. Not talking power here but finesss. That said the Hondas new front brake is better than the yamaha Clutch, face it, the ktm...