Pourcel testing a yamaha today

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4/21/2011 10:13pm
That yamaha sounds and looks really really fast off the bottom...
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I've got nothing against Yamaha or Valli, but CP would be wise to go with Geico since they have a much stronger, well established team with...
I've got nothing against Yamaha or Valli, but CP would be wise to go with Geico since they have a much stronger, well established team with close ties to both PC and Factory Honda.
Mod Killer wrote:
valli has close ties to PC as well. valli has close ties to factory yamaha. tho to your credit, geico has room in there truck for...
valli has close ties to PC as well.

valli has close ties to factory yamaha.


tho to your credit, geico has room in there truck for cp. valli is already gonna be running a 3 man team out of a truck built for 2.


i love the hype and mess cp is causing. what a circus.
its like chad reeds testing games last year haha
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goddamn. he is so smooth

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jmar wrote:
CP has a name that's good enough to get the support to make any bike workable. Would the Yamaha be as good as a full blown...
CP has a name that's good enough to get the support to make any bike workable. Would the Yamaha be as good as a full blown FC Honda?

No it wouldn't, but money will decide what CP rides. If I were a betting man, with Canard hurt, Honda may step up to the plate and help FC out on getting CP under the Factory Connection Honda tent.
UpTiTe wrote:
Thats what I think will happen. But I really don't know much.
jmar wrote:
You and me both.
This thread was turning into something negative, but you guys manages to turn it back. Pretty cool. I also like the info by the way. Based on the suggested here, despite the hydraulic clutch seems FC Honda have more potential. I still think Paytons advice to CP is essential as in what team could make him a winner.

Maybe cash is not King this year?
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4/22/2011 8:30am
I wonder which one he's testing today? He hasn't tested the Suzuki yet.
4/22/2011 8:32am
UpTiTe wrote:
I think you're crazy, a team like Valli doesn't have all the resources they will need to build a championship bike. I think that for a...
I think you're crazy, a team like Valli doesn't have all the resources they will need to build a championship bike. I think that for a guy like Reed and Pourcel a good bike is of less importance because of their smooth forgiving style, but I think that Valli's bike would be at a serious disadvantge when compared to the FC bike.
Mod Killer wrote:
valli = infrastructure yamaha = gytr (cosworth) equipment rockstar = $$$ pro circuit = suspension tell me again why valli & co. cant provide a winning...
valli = infrastructure
yamaha = gytr (cosworth) equipment
rockstar = $$$
pro circuit = suspension


tell me again why valli & co. cant provide a winning bike?
Valli might have a good infustructure, but not the money. Rockstar may have big money but they wont give them more then what they are contractually obligated to, which isn't near as much as you think. As far as GYT's involvement, they aren't getting any of that for free. Yeah PC can do some suspension, but they will only go as far as Valli's budget will take them.

Like I have said, Pourcel is an insanely good talent and and super precise so he can give up some on the bike, but RV, Dungey and Canard are just as talented, and will be on top notch equipment with four times the budget to dial it all in. With all that, Valli doesn't compete.
4/22/2011 9:05am Edited Date/Time 4/22/2011 9:08am
Interesting film. He look's good, as you would expect.

There were some instances though imo where he looked a little disconnected from the front wheel, like he had to make sudden mid turn corrections - 1.24 right hander and 1.48 left hander (slow-mo). The bike also look's big and heavy. To be fair it's very early days, I mean how many of us could ride our best on a new bike first time out? With the right amount set-up time I'm sure he'd be a threat on any machine. Though with that said, my gut feeling say's the Honda or Kawi would suit him better.
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PRM31 wrote:
How about Pourcel on a JGR Yamaha. I'll bet they can build a nice bike.
Mod Killer wrote:
nope. wont happen. not part of JGR's philosophy.
im not saying there is a chance of him being on a JGR bike, but how is it not part of their philosophy? They have had quite a few fill in riders.
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4/22/2011 9:59am Edited Date/Time 4/22/2011 12:39pm
jmar wrote:
CP has a name that's good enough to get the support to make any bike workable. Would the Yamaha be as good as a full blown...
CP has a name that's good enough to get the support to make any bike workable. Would the Yamaha be as good as a full blown FC Honda?

No it wouldn't, but money will decide what CP rides. If I were a betting man, with Canard hurt, Honda may step up to the plate and help FC out on getting CP under the Factory Connection Honda tent.
ok Jmar you made it sound like the honda was way better than the yamaha becuase its a FC bike, but appearantly you forgot that ALL of the yamaha teams get factory support since there is no factory yamaha and they have have PC parts. I'm a honda guy, but you still got to give valli their props. They are doing pretty good i think. It's only there second year anyway. Both of the bikes are very very good. he will probably have success on either bike, but who knows?
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PRM31 wrote:
How about Pourcel on a JGR Yamaha. I'll bet they can build a nice bike.
Mod Killer wrote:
nope. wont happen. not part of JGR's philosophy.
im not saying there is a chance of him being on a JGR bike, but how is it not part of their philosophy? They have had...
im not saying there is a chance of him being on a JGR bike, but how is it not part of their philosophy? They have had quite a few fill in riders.
I don' think JGR has the money, but that would be cool to see him go there. OH and GO BRAYTON!!!!!!!
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jmar wrote:
CP has a name that's good enough to get the support to make any bike workable. Would the Yamaha be as good as a full blown...
CP has a name that's good enough to get the support to make any bike workable. Would the Yamaha be as good as a full blown FC Honda?

No it wouldn't, but money will decide what CP rides. If I were a betting man, with Canard hurt, Honda may step up to the plate and help FC out on getting CP under the Factory Connection Honda tent.
JCRF217 wrote:
ok Jmar you made it sound like the honda was way better than the yamaha becuase its a FC bike, but appearantly you forgot that ALL...
ok Jmar you made it sound like the honda was way better than the yamaha becuase its a FC bike, but appearantly you forgot that ALL of the yamaha teams get factory support since there is no factory yamaha and they have have PC parts. I'm a honda guy, but you still got to give valli their props. They are doing pretty good i think. It's only there second year anyway. Both of the bikes are very very good. he will probably have success on either bike, but who knows?
You would surprised how little Valli get's, and a lot of what they do get, they pay for.

IMPO FC is up there with PC now, and I would put their stuff against any team out there. I also feel that the Honda is the best production bike out there which makes for a good starting point.
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4/22/2011 10:15am
That's poetry in motion right there.... if you guys don't think he looks fantastic you are blind. He will run up front on anything.
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4/22/2011 10:22am
I'm going to have to agree on the Yamaha thing.

I have a cousin that runs around in the local Pro class and he is 2 seconds a lap faster on his stock 2010 CRF450F than he is/ was on his 2010 YZF450. That's a ton;.
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RV is crazy fast on his Kawi but ask Reed what he thinks of it...
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jmar wrote:
CP has a name that's good enough to get the support to make any bike workable. Would the Yamaha be as good as a full blown...
CP has a name that's good enough to get the support to make any bike workable. Would the Yamaha be as good as a full blown FC Honda?

No it wouldn't, but money will decide what CP rides. If I were a betting man, with Canard hurt, Honda may step up to the plate and help FC out on getting CP under the Factory Connection Honda tent.
JCRF217 wrote:
ok Jmar you made it sound like the honda was way better than the yamaha becuase its a FC bike, but appearantly you forgot that ALL...
ok Jmar you made it sound like the honda was way better than the yamaha becuase its a FC bike, but appearantly you forgot that ALL of the yamaha teams get factory support since there is no factory yamaha and they have have PC parts. I'm a honda guy, but you still got to give valli their props. They are doing pretty good i think. It's only there second year anyway. Both of the bikes are very very good. he will probably have success on either bike, but who knows?
jmar wrote:
You would surprised how little Valli get's, and a lot of what they do get, they pay for. IMPO FC is up there with PC now...
You would surprised how little Valli get's, and a lot of what they do get, they pay for.

IMPO FC is up there with PC now, and I would put their stuff against any team out there. I also feel that the Honda is the best production bike out there which makes for a good starting point.
It responds to mod's very well. In stock form it's really not great, my fast buddy put a pipe on it, with enzo suspension and it made a world of difference.

It feels very light when riding it.
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scooterB wrote:
goddamn. he is so smooth
This.

Good grief I love watching Pourcel ride. Absolutely effortless.
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4/22/2011 11:53am
Damn.....he looks really good on that Yamaha! Seems to fit that bike really well.
4/22/2011 12:36pm
jmar wrote:
CP has a name that's good enough to get the support to make any bike workable. Would the Yamaha be as good as a full blown...
CP has a name that's good enough to get the support to make any bike workable. Would the Yamaha be as good as a full blown FC Honda?

No it wouldn't, but money will decide what CP rides. If I were a betting man, with Canard hurt, Honda may step up to the plate and help FC out on getting CP under the Factory Connection Honda tent.
JCRF217 wrote:
ok Jmar you made it sound like the honda was way better than the yamaha becuase its a FC bike, but appearantly you forgot that ALL...
ok Jmar you made it sound like the honda was way better than the yamaha becuase its a FC bike, but appearantly you forgot that ALL of the yamaha teams get factory support since there is no factory yamaha and they have have PC parts. I'm a honda guy, but you still got to give valli their props. They are doing pretty good i think. It's only there second year anyway. Both of the bikes are very very good. he will probably have success on either bike, but who knows?
jmar wrote:
You would surprised how little Valli get's, and a lot of what they do get, they pay for. IMPO FC is up there with PC now...
You would surprised how little Valli get's, and a lot of what they do get, they pay for.

IMPO FC is up there with PC now, and I would put their stuff against any team out there. I also feel that the Honda is the best production bike out there which makes for a good starting point.
Most satelite teams pay for a lot more then most people think. I don't think people realize that even a team as big as JGR pay for their suspesion.
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JCRF217 wrote:
ok Jmar you made it sound like the honda was way better than the yamaha becuase its a FC bike, but appearantly you forgot that ALL...
ok Jmar you made it sound like the honda was way better than the yamaha becuase its a FC bike, but appearantly you forgot that ALL of the yamaha teams get factory support since there is no factory yamaha and they have have PC parts. I'm a honda guy, but you still got to give valli their props. They are doing pretty good i think. It's only there second year anyway. Both of the bikes are very very good. he will probably have success on either bike, but who knows?
jmar wrote:
You would surprised how little Valli get's, and a lot of what they do get, they pay for. IMPO FC is up there with PC now...
You would surprised how little Valli get's, and a lot of what they do get, they pay for.

IMPO FC is up there with PC now, and I would put their stuff against any team out there. I also feel that the Honda is the best production bike out there which makes for a good starting point.
Flatliner wrote:
It responds to mod's very well. In stock form it's really not great, my fast buddy put a pipe on it, with enzo suspension and it...
It responds to mod's very well. In stock form it's really not great, my fast buddy put a pipe on it, with enzo suspension and it made a world of difference.

It feels very light when riding it.
I'm a big honda guy. I haven't owned anything but honda's in 8 years.
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He rides a lot like me. Well we both put one leg on each side.
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jmar wrote:
CP has a name that's good enough to get the support to make any bike workable. Would the Yamaha be as good as a full blown...
CP has a name that's good enough to get the support to make any bike workable. Would the Yamaha be as good as a full blown FC Honda?

No it wouldn't, but money will decide what CP rides. If I were a betting man, with Canard hurt, Honda may step up to the plate and help FC out on getting CP under the Factory Connection Honda tent.
JCRF217 wrote:
ok Jmar you made it sound like the honda was way better than the yamaha becuase its a FC bike, but appearantly you forgot that ALL...
ok Jmar you made it sound like the honda was way better than the yamaha becuase its a FC bike, but appearantly you forgot that ALL of the yamaha teams get factory support since there is no factory yamaha and they have have PC parts. I'm a honda guy, but you still got to give valli their props. They are doing pretty good i think. It's only there second year anyway. Both of the bikes are very very good. he will probably have success on either bike, but who knows?
jmar wrote:
You would surprised how little Valli get's, and a lot of what they do get, they pay for. IMPO FC is up there with PC now...
You would surprised how little Valli get's, and a lot of what they do get, they pay for.

IMPO FC is up there with PC now, and I would put their stuff against any team out there. I also feel that the Honda is the best production bike out there which makes for a good starting point.
What makes the Honda the best production bike?, From what i have heard the 09-11 crf 450 is a hate/love type bike!
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As of yesterday, it seems the young Frenchman had tested w/ up to 4 Teams...

Intersting, it seems that Valli's rig was built to support only 2 riders...? OK, sure.

So, you go buy a used race-car hauler & it has a max-capacity of a 2 bike Team? So, how does Mitch Run 5 riders, Geico 5, Star 4, Rockstar-Lites 3-4 outta their rigs @ Vegas?
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My dream team would be Dungey, Metty, and Pourcel !
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JCRF217 wrote:
ok Jmar you made it sound like the honda was way better than the yamaha becuase its a FC bike, but appearantly you forgot that ALL...
ok Jmar you made it sound like the honda was way better than the yamaha becuase its a FC bike, but appearantly you forgot that ALL of the yamaha teams get factory support since there is no factory yamaha and they have have PC parts. I'm a honda guy, but you still got to give valli their props. They are doing pretty good i think. It's only there second year anyway. Both of the bikes are very very good. he will probably have success on either bike, but who knows?
jmar wrote:
You would surprised how little Valli get's, and a lot of what they do get, they pay for. IMPO FC is up there with PC now...
You would surprised how little Valli get's, and a lot of what they do get, they pay for.

IMPO FC is up there with PC now, and I would put their stuff against any team out there. I also feel that the Honda is the best production bike out there which makes for a good starting point.
mxb2 wrote:
What makes the Honda the best production bike?, From what i have heard the 09-11 crf 450 is a hate/love type bike!
Because they do what they are suppose to do. They're light, the bike is comfortable, not to mention the fact that they are a step ahead of the rest, as far as machining tolerances,quality parts like bearings and seals.

Just curious, have you ever owned, or worked on a Honda?
It's doesn't take long to see the quality if you are working on one.
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Yea had an 07 crf 450, great bike. sold it to a co -worker, then got a efi rmz , real good bike also!, The reason i asked, I have a chance to get a killer deal on a 11 crf 450. Quality is top notch , i agree. Any opinions on the 2012 hondas, changes?
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jmar wrote:
You would surprised how little Valli get's, and a lot of what they do get, they pay for. IMPO FC is up there with PC now...
You would surprised how little Valli get's, and a lot of what they do get, they pay for.

IMPO FC is up there with PC now, and I would put their stuff against any team out there. I also feel that the Honda is the best production bike out there which makes for a good starting point.
mxb2 wrote:
What makes the Honda the best production bike?, From what i have heard the 09-11 crf 450 is a hate/love type bike!
jmar wrote:
Because they do what they are suppose to do. They're light, the bike is comfortable, not to mention the fact that they are a step ahead...
Because they do what they are suppose to do. They're light, the bike is comfortable, not to mention the fact that they are a step ahead of the rest, as far as machining tolerances,quality parts like bearings and seals.

Just curious, have you ever owned, or worked on a Honda?
It's doesn't take long to see the quality if you are working on one.
Wow, those are some tall claims!

They eat valve-trains, they've had some dismall chassis issues...hell, all the "Big 5" have their pros & cons. I would call the Honda "The Best SX 450", tho.

Very light/light feeling/light handeling. Potentially a very hard accelerating motor.

Feels like a 250f.

However, as a guy who's got A LOT of time on Honda 450s, you can save the ol' "Dependability" & "Better Tolerances" argument.

I will admit to the basic truth: The Honda is the Easiest to Own from an "after-market" standpoint.
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4/22/2011 5:44pm Edited Date/Time 4/22/2011 5:45pm
UpTiTe wrote:
I think you're crazy, a team like Valli doesn't have all the resources they will need to build a championship bike. I think that for a...
I think you're crazy, a team like Valli doesn't have all the resources they will need to build a championship bike. I think that for a guy like Reed and Pourcel a good bike is of less importance because of their smooth forgiving style, but I think that Valli's bike would be at a serious disadvantge when compared to the FC bike.
Mod Killer wrote:
valli = infrastructure yamaha = gytr (cosworth) equipment rockstar = $$$ pro circuit = suspension tell me again why valli & co. cant provide a winning...
valli = infrastructure
yamaha = gytr (cosworth) equipment
rockstar = $$$
pro circuit = suspension


tell me again why valli & co. cant provide a winning bike?
UpTiTe wrote:
Valli might have a good infustructure, but not the money. Rockstar may have big money but they wont give them more then what they are contractually...
Valli might have a good infustructure, but not the money. Rockstar may have big money but they wont give them more then what they are contractually obligated to, which isn't near as much as you think. As far as GYT's involvement, they aren't getting any of that for free. Yeah PC can do some suspension, but they will only go as far as Valli's budget will take them.

Like I have said, Pourcel is an insanely good talent and and super precise so he can give up some on the bike, but RV, Dungey and Canard are just as talented, and will be on top notch equipment with four times the budget to dial it all in. With all that, Valli doesn't compete.
ive already told you, valli wont have to cough up a dime.

just because rockstar is contractually obligated to pay a certain amount, doesnt mean they arent willing to cough up more if they can get cp signed.

same with gytr/cosworth....get cp.....get free help.

pc....again, same....mitch loves cp and where ever cp ends up, pc is coming with him free of charge.

VALLI CAN COMPETE, VALLI WILL COMPETE.

jse is a satellite but they operate like a private team, jgr is a private team, valli is the only true factory satellite yamaha has. those of you who are knocking valli are seriously selling them short. the yamaha is a good bike.

is valli a lot newer of a team than FC? of course. but its not like the tech's over at valli just started. those guys are just as good and have tons of experience. there was a LOT more work being done to the geico honda at pala to get his setup right than was being done to the valli yamaha. either the valli guys are better techs or the bike isnt as hard to setup as some of you have suggested. either way, there is a lot of bad info being posted in this thread.

the only thing valli needs is another truck. but imo, they are gonna be on the box come outdoors with or without cp. and thats not at all a knock on cp.
4/22/2011 5:57pm
Mod Killer wrote:
valli = infrastructure yamaha = gytr (cosworth) equipment rockstar = $$$ pro circuit = suspension tell me again why valli & co. cant provide a winning...
valli = infrastructure
yamaha = gytr (cosworth) equipment
rockstar = $$$
pro circuit = suspension


tell me again why valli & co. cant provide a winning bike?
UpTiTe wrote:
Valli might have a good infustructure, but not the money. Rockstar may have big money but they wont give them more then what they are contractually...
Valli might have a good infustructure, but not the money. Rockstar may have big money but they wont give them more then what they are contractually obligated to, which isn't near as much as you think. As far as GYT's involvement, they aren't getting any of that for free. Yeah PC can do some suspension, but they will only go as far as Valli's budget will take them.

Like I have said, Pourcel is an insanely good talent and and super precise so he can give up some on the bike, but RV, Dungey and Canard are just as talented, and will be on top notch equipment with four times the budget to dial it all in. With all that, Valli doesn't compete.
Mod Killer wrote:
ive already told you, valli wont have to cough up a dime. just because rockstar is contractually obligated to pay a certain amount, doesnt mean they...
ive already told you, valli wont have to cough up a dime.

just because rockstar is contractually obligated to pay a certain amount, doesnt mean they arent willing to cough up more if they can get cp signed.

same with gytr/cosworth....get cp.....get free help.

pc....again, same....mitch loves cp and where ever cp ends up, pc is coming with him free of charge.

VALLI CAN COMPETE, VALLI WILL COMPETE.

jse is a satellite but they operate like a private team, jgr is a private team, valli is the only true factory satellite yamaha has. those of you who are knocking valli are seriously selling them short. the yamaha is a good bike.

is valli a lot newer of a team than FC? of course. but its not like the tech's over at valli just started. those guys are just as good and have tons of experience. there was a LOT more work being done to the geico honda at pala to get his setup right than was being done to the valli yamaha. either the valli guys are better techs or the bike isnt as hard to setup as some of you have suggested. either way, there is a lot of bad info being posted in this thread.

the only thing valli needs is another truck. but imo, they are gonna be on the box come outdoors with or without cp. and thats not at all a knock on cp.
I'm not knocking Valli one bit, I just don't think they have the budget to compete bike wise as FC would. They don't get nearlly the amount of stuff for free that you think.

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