Chinese quality revisited

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AssangeMX wrote:
Also fwiw, i am investing in us jobs and vendors, we are bringing back us jobs by setting up labs in universities and hiring researchers out...

Also fwiw, i am investing in us jobs and vendors, we are bringing back us jobs by setting up labs in universities and hiring researchers out of work from NIH cuts.

Those cuts are not good, all investment is now AI and it wont end welll. If it works,  Chyna and Indya will make cheaper hardware and have cheaper programmers. AI is not rhe plan IMO... data centers are for mass surveillance is my bet

Data Centers will be for kindling within 5 years. 

FroDiddy wrote:

There will be a lot of empty buildings, that's for damn sure.  

But with good solid water connections, solid well insulated and protected, most of them will have back up generators............Pretty good place to hang when the Zombie/Political leaders of your choosings Apocalypse hits.

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IMG 0382 4.jpeg?VersionId= tiVc6CWlQ5EWK6Uf6Q9ktSPYg.This is about the only thing I’d trust the strength of from Nicecnc, and to be honest ‘trust’ might just be a little bit of an exaggeration….!

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seth505 wrote:

I don't understand the mystery people see in all of this.  

You can't have:

  • Quality materials
  • Perfect fit
  • Low price

You can have:

  • Quality materials
  • Perfect fit
  • High price

or

  • shit materials
  • shit fit
  • Low price

 

 


 

kawasa84 wrote:
I don't get the mystery. You can try your best to avoid buying and supporting a communist, dictator ran country or not.Thanks to U.S. corporate greed...

I don't get the mystery. You can try your best to avoid buying and supporting a communist, dictator ran country or not.

Thanks to U.S. corporate greed it's impossible, but we do have choices. I try my best to avoid china. Because of what their leadership stands for. Because they don't have free elections. They are an advesary to our country.  Because they make a lot of cheap crap. I'm glad that so far we've kept their electric cars out of our country. 

Hmmm, Dictator run country, what comes to mind, good old US of A!

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You bought a brand new yz450 and thought it would be a good idea to replace the factory pegs which probably had months worth of R & D put into them and would have been stress tested and rider tested for potentially years, and replaced them with some Chinese ones off Temu then they broke and now your broke.

 

Who would have thought?

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Always a Little Johnny who has to see for himself...... 

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Complaining about data centers while using the internet that runs through a data center to post said comment is a little bit ironic … don’t you...

Complaining about data centers while using the internet that runs through a data center to post said comment is a little bit ironic … don’t you think? 

Tiki wrote:

Holy Shit. The ammount of complaining about Data Centers on Facebook, Instagram and TikTok is unreal. Those three are the Reason. 

3strokemx wrote:

If that's the case, then how does Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok operate now if they don't have enough data centers?

Rough facts from the Googles. This is always fun, I get a kick out of these stats. Especially for the people that said: We have had cell phones for years. Why now?  Well, Einstein:

  • Onlyfans had roughly 188 million registered users in 2021. By the end of 2024, it had more than 377 million. 100% Increase
  • Instagram Reels had just launched in 2021, No data recorded. 2026, Reels are played approximately 200 billion times per day. That's  like 200 Billion % 
  • TikTok reached 1 billion monthly users in September 2021, up from 700 million the year before. June 2026, TikTok Recorded 3.4 billion users. Thats up 240%

We as Riders love taking photos! In 2021, people were taking roughly 3 billion photos per day, mostly with 12mp phone cameras. Today, we take approximately 5.3 billion photos per day, with 48mp cameras becoming common. 

So, we are Maxed out! Grossly underbuilt. This is why they are building at such a rapid rate. 

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I was about to say that I wouldn't trust Nice CNC with such an important park, but I have a Nice CNC rear brake reservoir. At least it's not weight bearing... Not sure I would purchase a Nice CNC product that holds up my weight. 

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Tiki wrote:

Holy Shit. The ammount of complaining about Data Centers on Facebook, Instagram and TikTok is unreal. Those three are the Reason. 

3strokemx wrote:

If that's the case, then how does Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok operate now if they don't have enough data centers?

Tiki wrote:
Rough facts from the Googles. This is always fun, I get a kick out of these stats. Especially for the people that said: We have had...

Rough facts from the Googles. This is always fun, I get a kick out of these stats. Especially for the people that said: We have had cell phones for years. Why now?  Well, Einstein:

  • Onlyfans had roughly 188 million registered users in 2021. By the end of 2024, it had more than 377 million. 100% Increase
  • Instagram Reels had just launched in 2021, No data recorded. 2026, Reels are played approximately 200 billion times per day. That's  like 200 Billion % 
  • TikTok reached 1 billion monthly users in September 2021, up from 700 million the year before. June 2026, TikTok Recorded 3.4 billion users. Thats up 240%

We as Riders love taking photos! In 2021, people were taking roughly 3 billion photos per day, mostly with 12mp phone cameras. Today, we take approximately 5.3 billion photos per day, with 48mp cameras becoming common. 

So, we are Maxed out! Grossly underbuilt. This is why they are building at such a rapid rate. 

If that's true, there is a global deficit of digital storage, then why does the cost of it continue to drop?

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3strokemx wrote:

If that's the case, then how does Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok operate now if they don't have enough data centers?

Tiki wrote:
Rough facts from the Googles. This is always fun, I get a kick out of these stats. Especially for the people that said: We have had...

Rough facts from the Googles. This is always fun, I get a kick out of these stats. Especially for the people that said: We have had cell phones for years. Why now?  Well, Einstein:

  • Onlyfans had roughly 188 million registered users in 2021. By the end of 2024, it had more than 377 million. 100% Increase
  • Instagram Reels had just launched in 2021, No data recorded. 2026, Reels are played approximately 200 billion times per day. That's  like 200 Billion % 
  • TikTok reached 1 billion monthly users in September 2021, up from 700 million the year before. June 2026, TikTok Recorded 3.4 billion users. Thats up 240%

We as Riders love taking photos! In 2021, people were taking roughly 3 billion photos per day, mostly with 12mp phone cameras. Today, we take approximately 5.3 billion photos per day, with 48mp cameras becoming common. 

So, we are Maxed out! Grossly underbuilt. This is why they are building at such a rapid rate. 

3strokemx wrote:
If that's true, there is a global deficit of digital storage, then why does the cost of it continue to drop? 

If that's true, there is a global deficit of digital storage, then why does the cost of it continue to drop?

image 3633

 

Normally, digital storage gets cheaper because technology improves, capacity increases and mass production lowers the cost per gigabyte. But that does not mean the hardware always gets cheaper. 

A typical 32GB DDR5 kit that cost roughly $100–$200 in October 2025 was starting around $350 by August 2026, when available. DDR4 prices have also risen because manufacturers reduced production while demand remained strong. 

GPU prices have increased 40–45%, copper is up roughly 65% over the past two years and new rack servers are generally 15–20% more expensive, especially those loaded with RAM or GPUs. Hard-drive prices have also increased, particularly for large enterprise and data-center drives. 

While not everything is astronomically expensive, the data-center boom has clearly affected the industry and the broader economy. It is creating high-paying jobs and massive investment in construction, equipment and power, but it is also raising the cost of land, labor, electricity and the hardware everyone else needs.

Feel free to check my work, because this was a simple search to get these answers. 

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Tiki wrote:
Rough facts from the Googles. This is always fun, I get a kick out of these stats. Especially for the people that said: We have had...

Rough facts from the Googles. This is always fun, I get a kick out of these stats. Especially for the people that said: We have had cell phones for years. Why now?  Well, Einstein:

  • Onlyfans had roughly 188 million registered users in 2021. By the end of 2024, it had more than 377 million. 100% Increase
  • Instagram Reels had just launched in 2021, No data recorded. 2026, Reels are played approximately 200 billion times per day. That's  like 200 Billion % 
  • TikTok reached 1 billion monthly users in September 2021, up from 700 million the year before. June 2026, TikTok Recorded 3.4 billion users. Thats up 240%

We as Riders love taking photos! In 2021, people were taking roughly 3 billion photos per day, mostly with 12mp phone cameras. Today, we take approximately 5.3 billion photos per day, with 48mp cameras becoming common. 

So, we are Maxed out! Grossly underbuilt. This is why they are building at such a rapid rate. 

3strokemx wrote:
If that's true, there is a global deficit of digital storage, then why does the cost of it continue to drop? 

If that's true, there is a global deficit of digital storage, then why does the cost of it continue to drop?

image 3633

 

Tiki wrote:
Normally, digital storage gets cheaper because technology improves, capacity increases and mass production lowers the cost per gigabyte. But that does not mean the hardware always...

Normally, digital storage gets cheaper because technology improves, capacity increases and mass production lowers the cost per gigabyte. But that does not mean the hardware always gets cheaper. 

A typical 32GB DDR5 kit that cost roughly $100–$200 in October 2025 was starting around $350 by August 2026, when available. DDR4 prices have also risen because manufacturers reduced production while demand remained strong. 

GPU prices have increased 40–45%, copper is up roughly 65% over the past two years and new rack servers are generally 15–20% more expensive, especially those loaded with RAM or GPUs. Hard-drive prices have also increased, particularly for large enterprise and data-center drives. 

While not everything is astronomically expensive, the data-center boom has clearly affected the industry and the broader economy. It is creating high-paying jobs and massive investment in construction, equipment and power, but it is also raising the cost of land, labor, electricity and the hardware everyone else needs.

Feel free to check my work, because this was a simple search to get these answers. 

The data center push isn't driven by consumer demand, cloud storage for a normal person is literally free (via google for example).

The reason for rising raw material costs is because the data center push created an artificial demand for their construction materials.

 

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3strokemx wrote:
If that's true, there is a global deficit of digital storage, then why does the cost of it continue to drop? 

If that's true, there is a global deficit of digital storage, then why does the cost of it continue to drop?

image 3633

 

Tiki wrote:
Normally, digital storage gets cheaper because technology improves, capacity increases and mass production lowers the cost per gigabyte. But that does not mean the hardware always...

Normally, digital storage gets cheaper because technology improves, capacity increases and mass production lowers the cost per gigabyte. But that does not mean the hardware always gets cheaper. 

A typical 32GB DDR5 kit that cost roughly $100–$200 in October 2025 was starting around $350 by August 2026, when available. DDR4 prices have also risen because manufacturers reduced production while demand remained strong. 

GPU prices have increased 40–45%, copper is up roughly 65% over the past two years and new rack servers are generally 15–20% more expensive, especially those loaded with RAM or GPUs. Hard-drive prices have also increased, particularly for large enterprise and data-center drives. 

While not everything is astronomically expensive, the data-center boom has clearly affected the industry and the broader economy. It is creating high-paying jobs and massive investment in construction, equipment and power, but it is also raising the cost of land, labor, electricity and the hardware everyone else needs.

Feel free to check my work, because this was a simple search to get these answers. 

3strokemx wrote:
The data center push isn't driven by consumer demand, cloud storage for a normal person is literally free (via google for example).The reason for rising raw...

The data center push isn't driven by consumer demand, cloud storage for a normal person is literally free (via google for example).

The reason for rising raw material costs is because the data center push created an artificial demand for their construction materials.

 

Just say you haven't looked anything up, read anything and admit you're clueless.  Because that's what you just said.  

I'm not even going to address that you think cloud storage is free. 😂

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Tiki wrote:
Just say you haven't looked anything up, read anything and admit you're clueless.  Because that's what you just said.  I'm not even going to address that...

Just say you haven't looked anything up, read anything and admit you're clueless.  Because that's what you just said.  

I'm not even going to address that you think cloud storage is free. 😂

When you resort to name calling it seems like you've run out of ideas of merit.

If you have specific points I'd love to hear them.   

Just so we're clear though, how much does a google account cost these days?

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Tiki wrote:
Just say you haven't looked anything up, read anything and admit you're clueless.  Because that's what you just said.  I'm not even going to address that...

Just say you haven't looked anything up, read anything and admit you're clueless.  Because that's what you just said.  

I'm not even going to address that you think cloud storage is free. 😂

3strokemx wrote:
When you resort to name calling it seems like you've run out of ideas of merit.If you have specific points I'd love to hear them.   Just...

When you resort to name calling it seems like you've run out of ideas of merit.

If you have specific points I'd love to hear them.   

Just so we're clear though, how much does a google account cost these days?

Ever see an ad on a Google search, or sponsored listings?

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Tiki wrote:
Just say you haven't looked anything up, read anything and admit you're clueless.  Because that's what you just said.  I'm not even going to address that...

Just say you haven't looked anything up, read anything and admit you're clueless.  Because that's what you just said.  

I'm not even going to address that you think cloud storage is free. 😂

3strokemx wrote:
When you resort to name calling it seems like you've run out of ideas of merit.If you have specific points I'd love to hear them.   Just...

When you resort to name calling it seems like you've run out of ideas of merit.

If you have specific points I'd love to hear them.   

Just so we're clear though, how much does a google account cost these days?

Your google account is "free" because you sign over all privacy expectations to them when you sign up. They take all info coming in and out of your account and compile it to sell to advertisers for targeted ads. You are definitely paying, just not with your money. 

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8/26/2026 3:20pm Edited Date/Time 8/26/2026 3:21pm

If you aren't paying for the service, you are the service.

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8/26/2026 3:37pm

If anyone can't spot the difference between the centers the internet runs on and the hyperscalers required by Clammy Sammy and his fellow miscreants to run what are effectively 21st century equivalents to a carnival fortune teller and massive IP thieving machines, all so deluded people can have fake conversations to make themselves feel smart (with a program that can't count the fucking B's in "blueberry) and make deepfake kiddie porn, I don't know what to tell you.

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r_outsider wrote:
If anyone can't spot the difference between the centers the internet runs on and the hyperscalers required by Clammy Sammy and his fellow miscreants to run...

If anyone can't spot the difference between the centers the internet runs on and the hyperscalers required by Clammy Sammy and his fellow miscreants to run what are effectively 21st century equivalents to a carnival fortune teller and massive IP thieving machines, all so deluded people can have fake conversations to make themselves feel smart (with a program that can't count the fucking B's in "blueberry) and make deepfake kiddie porn, I don't know what to tell you.

yep. 

also, storage and compute are not the same. 

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For 99.9% of users they could sell an AI box to use at home and it would have all the compute you need... but the data centres are about surveillance and data harvesting, convincing the general public that they are required for their little money losing chat bots is purely about manufacturing consent for government and non-government complete control and completely monitoring and monitoring of every part of your life... 

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r_outsider wrote:
If anyone can't spot the difference between the centers the internet runs on and the hyperscalers required by Clammy Sammy and his fellow miscreants to run...

If anyone can't spot the difference between the centers the internet runs on and the hyperscalers required by Clammy Sammy and his fellow miscreants to run what are effectively 21st century equivalents to a carnival fortune teller and massive IP thieving machines, all so deluded people can have fake conversations to make themselves feel smart (with a program that can't count the fucking B's in "blueberry) and make deepfake kiddie porn, I don't know what to tell you.

And yet, everything you mention is only about 'manufacturing consent' as is the weekly reports of AI 'breaking containment' -- complete bullshit designed to make you think its more powerful than it is... it's purely about surveillance and data harvesting for maximum government and non government control.

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Tiki wrote:
Just say you haven't looked anything up, read anything and admit you're clueless.  Because that's what you just said.  I'm not even going to address that...

Just say you haven't looked anything up, read anything and admit you're clueless.  Because that's what you just said.  

I'm not even going to address that you think cloud storage is free. 😂

3strokemx wrote:
When you resort to name calling it seems like you've run out of ideas of merit.If you have specific points I'd love to hear them.   Just...

When you resort to name calling it seems like you've run out of ideas of merit.

If you have specific points I'd love to hear them.   

Just so we're clear though, how much does a google account cost these days?

Your google account is "free" because you sign over all privacy expectations to them when you sign up. They take all info coming in and out...

Your google account is "free" because you sign over all privacy expectations to them when you sign up. They take all info coming in and out of your account and compile it to sell to advertisers for targeted ads. You are definitely paying, just not with your money. 

If you think paying a fee for cloud storage gives you privacy, I've got some bad news for you..........

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Tiki wrote:
Just say you haven't looked anything up, read anything and admit you're clueless.  Because that's what you just said.  I'm not even going to address that...

Just say you haven't looked anything up, read anything and admit you're clueless.  Because that's what you just said.  

I'm not even going to address that you think cloud storage is free. 😂

3strokemx wrote:
When you resort to name calling it seems like you've run out of ideas of merit.If you have specific points I'd love to hear them.   Just...

When you resort to name calling it seems like you've run out of ideas of merit.

If you have specific points I'd love to hear them.   

Just so we're clear though, how much does a google account cost these days?

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Ever see an ad on a Google search, or sponsored listings?

Not often, I don't primarily use google products

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3strokemx wrote:
When you resort to name calling it seems like you've run out of ideas of merit.If you have specific points I'd love to hear them.   Just...

When you resort to name calling it seems like you've run out of ideas of merit.

If you have specific points I'd love to hear them.   

Just so we're clear though, how much does a google account cost these days?

Your google account is "free" because you sign over all privacy expectations to them when you sign up. They take all info coming in and out...

Your google account is "free" because you sign over all privacy expectations to them when you sign up. They take all info coming in and out of your account and compile it to sell to advertisers for targeted ads. You are definitely paying, just not with your money. 

3strokemx wrote:

If you think paying a fee for cloud storage gives you privacy, I've got some bad news for you..........

I wasn't sure if you were trolling or just working with out of date numbers. But your position about paying a fee for cloud services. You have no news. 

Cloud service as a business in a simple search: It is currently $1 Trillion dollars per year, world wide. This is AWS, MS Azure, Google Cloud, Oracle and other companies selling servers and storage for a total of $500 billion per year. Then adding MS365, Salesforce, Adobe CC, Dropbox bringing in another $850 Billion. Apple rounds it out with $109 billion in total sales in 2025.  Which included: App Store, advertising, AppleCare, Apple Music, Apple TV+, payments and iCloud. And yes, paid service comes with contractual obligation of privacy to a certain extent. Then there is the people that build the Data Centers and lease the facilities to the above, they are worth around $300 Billion a year. There's a few clams being traded. 

Aussie, Surveillance here in America is about 1% total usage space and AI is about 8%. Its mostly streaming. I can't speak for Australia or UK where surveillance is much more prevalent. You are spot on with desktop AI boxes. NVIDIA has been working on Desktop LLM's for a while and has come to market with a $3500 desktop AI solution. https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/products/workstations/dgx-station/

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Tiki wrote:
I wasn't sure if you were trolling or just working with out of date numbers. But your position about paying a fee for cloud services. You...

I wasn't sure if you were trolling or just working with out of date numbers. But your position about paying a fee for cloud services. You have no news. 

Cloud service as a business in a simple search: It is currently $1 Trillion dollars per year, world wide. This is AWS, MS Azure, Google Cloud, Oracle and other companies selling servers and storage for a total of $500 billion per year. Then adding MS365, Salesforce, Adobe CC, Dropbox bringing in another $850 Billion. Apple rounds it out with $109 billion in total sales in 2025.  Which included: App Store, advertising, AppleCare, Apple Music, Apple TV+, payments and iCloud. And yes, paid service comes with contractual obligation of privacy to a certain extent. Then there is the people that build the Data Centers and lease the facilities to the above, they are worth around $300 Billion a year. There's a few clams being traded. 

Aussie, Surveillance here in America is about 1% total usage space and AI is about 8%. Its mostly streaming. I can't speak for Australia or UK where surveillance is much more prevalent. You are spot on with desktop AI boxes. NVIDIA has been working on Desktop LLM's for a while and has come to market with a $3500 desktop AI solution. https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/products/workstations/dgx-station/

You asserted that individuals' demand for cloud storage is creating demand for Data Centers. 

I suggested that was not true since cloud storage for individuals is already essentially free. Showing the free market dynamics that supply overwhelms demand.

You tried to pivot by saying cloud service for business is a Trillion dollar industry (implying the magnitude equates to demand)
However, it's not a trillion dollar industry from the free market, it's a trillion dollar industry primarily because governments giver our money to contractors.  As a similar example, reducing atmoshperic Carbon is a Multi-Trillion dollar industry.



Also you keep telling me I'm not looking things up and that means I'm uninformed.  To the contrary, the industry I work in has a big rise in demand because of data center construction.  It's raising our costs across the board because the established manufacturing markets don't produce enough raw materials to meet supply. I don't need to look anything up to see that, it's my day to day.   

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Zzips wrote:

Aluminum has no business being involved in a foot peg or bracket, I don’t care who/where it’s made.

Kawasaki uses aluminum mounts and I haven’t heard of a single issue. I swap them out for 16-18 steel versions so the pin holes don’t wallow out as fast. 

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bvm111 wrote:
Complaining about data centers while using the internet that runs through a data center to post said comment is a little bit ironic … don’t you...

Complaining about data centers while using the internet that runs through a data center to post said comment is a little bit ironic … don’t you think? 

Who were the Chinese that downvoted this comment?

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Looks like brian hsu is racing some super obscure chinese bike at the china mxgp. 

 

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Pop Shmoke wrote:

Looks like brian hsu is racing some super obscure chinese bike at the china mxgp. 

 

God protect him!

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3strokemx wrote:
When you resort to name calling it seems like you've run out of ideas of merit.If you have specific points I'd love to hear them.   Just...

When you resort to name calling it seems like you've run out of ideas of merit.

If you have specific points I'd love to hear them.   

Just so we're clear though, how much does a google account cost these days?

Your google account is "free" because you sign over all privacy expectations to them when you sign up. They take all info coming in and out...

Your google account is "free" because you sign over all privacy expectations to them when you sign up. They take all info coming in and out of your account and compile it to sell to advertisers for targeted ads. You are definitely paying, just not with your money. 

3strokemx wrote:

If you think paying a fee for cloud storage gives you privacy, I've got some bad news for you..........

That was never stated and out of context. 

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