Kawasaki is bringing the two stroke back!

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8/6/2026 8:46am
agn5008 wrote:

You’re about the only one here who seems confused by that question. 

Please enlighten me. 

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agn5008 wrote:

You’re about the only one here who seems confused by that question. 

3strokemx wrote:

Please enlighten me. 

You continuously ask the same thing, even though we’ve already shown proof where you said it. 

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agn5008 wrote:

You continuously ask the same thing, even though we’ve already shown proof where you said it. 

Proof of what???

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Haha, it’s a 480RX. 

Beta480RX wrote:
THIS is a 480RX. Bloss Replica #6/10, 480RE cylinder, Wössner high comp piston.Will be putting 6th gear in it after I race Laughlin in October. Using...
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THIS is a 480RX. Bloss Replica #6/10, 480RE cylinder, Wössner high comp piston.

Will be putting 6th gear in it after I race Laughlin in October. Using my 480RE\RX hybrid for Vegas to Reno next week.

Ohh, I saw the 4stroke on their website. I think I posted a 480RR. Wow, that bike is sick! Nice 👍

I was wondering what ya meant. I had to go back and look at the picture again make sure I wasnt seeing things!🙂

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8/6/2026 12:44pm

The YZ125 and YZ125X share the identical transmission

 

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8/6/2026 1:03pm

The YZ125 and YZ125X share the identical transmission

 

Oh we're talking 125's now, my bad. 

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8/6/2026 1:13pm

The YZ125 and YZ125X share the identical transmission

 

3strokemx wrote:

Oh we're talking 125's now, my bad. 

Even the 250x has a 5 speed.

First and second gear are exactly the same. Only minor differences in 3-5. Any rational person would admit that bike was made for mx and has minor tweaks for off road. 

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Even the 250x has a 5 speed.First and second gear are exactly the same. Only minor differences in 3-5. Any rational person would admit that bike...

Even the 250x has a 5 speed.

First and second gear are exactly the same. Only minor differences in 3-5. Any rational person would admit that bike was made for mx and has minor tweaks for off road. 

Yeah exactly, the transmissions are different. Thanks for agreeing with me.

The X isn't the same compression ratio either.
Suspension valving is different
CDI is different too
 

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8/6/2026 2:20pm Edited Date/Time 8/6/2026 2:21pm

The YZ125 and YZ125X share the identical transmission

 

3strokemx wrote:

Oh we're talking 125's now, my bad. 

Even the 250x has a 5 speed.First and second gear are exactly the same. Only minor differences in 3-5. Any rational person would admit that bike...

Even the 250x has a 5 speed.

First and second gear are exactly the same. Only minor differences in 3-5. Any rational person would admit that bike was made for mx and has minor tweaks for off road. 

The same can basically be said for the "XC" line of KTM's, they use a semi-close ratio trans (in between a SX and XCW) and in the case of the 450 XCF (up until recently) they are exactly the same trans.

The transmission are more different than you think and while 1/2 are the same, practically speaking, you can gear the X's down and maintain top end speed due to 4/5 being taller so you effectively have lower gearing.  Based on the MXA article the difference in 5th is 5 teeth which is pretty significant....like going from a 14 to a 13 (equivalent to ~3 teeth on sprock) + 2 teeth on the rear sprock, so 13/52 vs 14/50, that is a big difference in 1st.

https://motocrossactionmag.com/ask-the-mxperts-the-x-factor-versus-the-…

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Every time I look at it, I wish I was seeing a more compact and oval looking silencer, like a vintage DG and not the 4...

Every time I look at it, I wish I was seeing a more compact and oval looking silencer, like a vintage DG and not the 4 fatty look...

But damn, this thing looks better than what I think everyone expected.

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I think PC or FMF can fix that for you 😎 

I think PC or FMF can fix that for you 😎 

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Yeah, an FMF Shorty would be a great start.

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8/7/2026 8:18am

And then we complain when our tracks get shut down for noise. I miss the 80s and 90s.. dB Snorkels used to be very popular for two strokes. Less sound = more ground.  

It's a different world we live in today. 

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8/7/2026 12:28pm

Glad to see this is still made, but I'd honestly just keep the stock can in place esp if I end up with an X version. 

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And then we complain when our tracks get shut down for noise. I miss the 80s and 90s.. dB Snorkels used to be very popular for...

And then we complain when our tracks get shut down for noise. I miss the 80s and 90s.. dB Snorkels used to be very popular for two strokes. Less sound = more ground.  

It's a different world we live in today. 

Noise issues shutting down tracks, wish there was a solution…

Oh wait, Starks exist.

But we hate electric…

It’s kind of funny, we get in our own damn way.

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8/7/2026 1:51pm
And then we complain when our tracks get shut down for noise. I miss the 80s and 90s.. dB Snorkels used to be very popular for...

And then we complain when our tracks get shut down for noise. I miss the 80s and 90s.. dB Snorkels used to be very popular for two strokes. Less sound = more ground.  

It's a different world we live in today. 

Josh422 wrote:

Noise issues shutting down tracks, wish there was a solution…

Oh wait, Starks exist.

But we hate electric…

It’s kind of funny, we get in our own damn way.

or gee I hate driving 2 hours to a track

Oh wait, Starks exist.
I could build a track in my backyard

but we still hate electric 

 

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8/7/2026 2:06pm
And then we complain when our tracks get shut down for noise. I miss the 80s and 90s.. dB Snorkels used to be very popular for...

And then we complain when our tracks get shut down for noise. I miss the 80s and 90s.. dB Snorkels used to be very popular for two strokes. Less sound = more ground.  

It's a different world we live in today. 

Josh422 wrote:

Noise issues shutting down tracks, wish there was a solution…

Oh wait, Starks exist.

But we hate electric…

It’s kind of funny, we get in our own damn way.

or gee I hate driving 2 hours to a track

Oh wait, Starks exist.
I could build a track in my backyard

but we still hate electric 

 

I'm on board with Electric for this reason, as long as you keep dust under control you could have a track pretty much anywhere. I could see the city of Temecula having a badass moto track right in town!  I'd sure miss the excitement of IC engines if racing switched to electric though. 

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Josh422 wrote:

Noise issues shutting down tracks, wish there was a solution…

Oh wait, Starks exist.

But we hate electric…

It’s kind of funny, we get in our own damn way.

or gee I hate driving 2 hours to a track

Oh wait, Starks exist.
I could build a track in my backyard

but we still hate electric 

 

Kindasmoky wrote:
I'm on board with Electric for this reason, as long as you keep dust under control you could have a track pretty much anywhere. I could...

I'm on board with Electric for this reason, as long as you keep dust under control you could have a track pretty much anywhere. I could see the city of Temecula having a badass moto track right in town!  I'd sure miss the excitement of IC engines if racing switched to electric though. 

Most tracks close due to insurance. Have an electric bike won’t fix that. 

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Just to be clear- larger the two stroke off road bike, quieter it is in motion. Cr500 are the quietest bike you will hear. Its a dead giveaway at a distance-bikes moving way faster than it sounds.  Think 450 speed and motors barely barking

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Just to be clear- larger the two stroke off road bike, quieter it is in motion. Cr500 are the quietest bike you will hear. Its a...

Just to be clear- larger the two stroke off road bike, quieter it is in motion. Cr500 are the quietest bike you will hear. Its a dead giveaway at a distance-bikes moving way faster than it sounds.  Think 450 speed and motors barely barking

Yes, because we're lugging. 

This is real. You can hear them over others, but it isn't offensive. 

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A 2 stroke can be made quite a bit quieter, without loosing as much power as well.  If you took a 2 stroke and 4 stroke, made them both as quiet as an average car on the road, the 2 stroke would still feel pretty good.   4 stroke would feel like a dog. 

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or gee I hate driving 2 hours to a track

Oh wait, Starks exist.
I could build a track in my backyard

but we still hate electric 

 

Kindasmoky wrote:
I'm on board with Electric for this reason, as long as you keep dust under control you could have a track pretty much anywhere. I could...

I'm on board with Electric for this reason, as long as you keep dust under control you could have a track pretty much anywhere. I could see the city of Temecula having a badass moto track right in town!  I'd sure miss the excitement of IC engines if racing switched to electric though. 

Most tracks close due to insurance. Have an electric bike won’t fix that. 

Yep you can bust yer ass on electric also. Medical insurance will ask ''where and how did you injure yourself?'' 

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Kindasmoky wrote:
I'm on board with Electric for this reason, as long as you keep dust under control you could have a track pretty much anywhere. I could...

I'm on board with Electric for this reason, as long as you keep dust under control you could have a track pretty much anywhere. I could see the city of Temecula having a badass moto track right in town!  I'd sure miss the excitement of IC engines if racing switched to electric though. 

Most tracks close due to insurance. Have an electric bike won’t fix that. 

bluesmoke wrote:

Yep you can bust yer ass on electric also. Medical insurance will ask ''where and how did you injure yourself?'' 

Yep insurance is another issue. Doesn’t mean noise isn’t a problem. It’s all you heard about as 4t took over in the 2000s.

I’d love to see indoor riding grow in states that have winters with ebikes becoming competitive. Seems far more simple since ventilation would not be a concern.

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Did they not do any laps around the track at LL?  That's an odd decision.  If it's there and ready to be started everyday, why not have RV or someone rip a lap or two?  

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prozach wrote:
Did they not do any laps around the track at LL?  That's an odd decision.  If it's there and ready to be started everyday, why not...

Did they not do any laps around the track at LL?  That's an odd decision.  If it's there and ready to be started everyday, why not have RV or someone rip a lap or two?  

I wonder if its because they dont want any kind of failure infront of anyone.  I dont belive that would happen but man that would suck.

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prozach wrote:
Did they not do any laps around the track at LL?  That's an odd decision.  If it's there and ready to be started everyday, why not...

Did they not do any laps around the track at LL?  That's an odd decision.  If it's there and ready to be started everyday, why not have RV or someone rip a lap or two?  

bodycast wrote:

I wonder if its because they dont want any kind of failure infront of anyone.  I dont belive that would happen but man that would suck.

Or maybe it was a unit that was already ordered by somebody and now it's got sticky corn dog fingerprints all over it.

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If the 327 is a great success (which it will be), I wonder what new 2-stroke bike will spin off from it - 250? 125?

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bluesmoke wrote:

Yep you can bust yer ass on electric also. Medical insurance will ask ''where and how did you injure yourself?'' 

And then you say “I fell on my bike at a park”, that’s all they need to know.

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If the 327 is a great success (which it will be), I wonder what new 2-stroke bike will spin off from it - 250? 125?

Lots of people prefer the 250sx/xc over the 300 because of they different power deliveries.  Im sure the 250 is on the way.

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bluesmoke wrote:

Yep you can bust yer ass on electric also. Medical insurance will ask ''where and how did you injure yourself?'' 

JM485 wrote:

And then you say “I fell on my bike at a park”, that’s all they need to know.

No doubt, unless you have to take an ambulance ride, then it becomes more of a problem. 

8/9/2026 5:39am
A 2 stroke can be made quite a bit quieter, without loosing as much power as well.  If you took a 2 stroke and 4 stroke...

A 2 stroke can be made quite a bit quieter, without loosing as much power as well.  If you took a 2 stroke and 4 stroke, made them both as quiet as an average car on the road, the 2 stroke would still feel pretty good.   4 stroke would feel like a dog. 

My first gen KTM 500 EXC with original stock muffler with perforated end-cap says otherwise. It's not exactly quiet but much less harsh to be around. It makes way more power than I'll ever use off road. 

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Andy7 wrote:
True. I still believe nothing can match the feeling of a YZ, CR, RM or carbed SX 250 2 stroke. Unless you want a 4t character...

True. I still believe nothing can match the feeling of a YZ, CR, RM or carbed SX 250 2 stroke. Unless you want a 4t character, I am not really into FI. Still, that kawi looks GOOD and I would buy one if I wanted FI.

So few people know how to mess with a carb nowadays.

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