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Toyota has done very well and created their own production and parts process that is replicated globally.
Toyota is best known for pioneering the Toyota Production System (TPS), the foundation of modern Lean Manufacturing. This system transformed global industry by focusing on Just-In-Time (JIT) production to eliminate waste, continuous improvement (Kaizen), and absolute quality control at every stage of the assembly line.
Every motorcycle manufacturer has some products made in China.
Japanese anyday.
Chinese probably not yet.
Hint: Never buy a dirt bike built in a country you can poop in the street....
That rules out the USA!
I still think every established mx manufacturer has spent countless efforts to bring innovation to the forefront (Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, KTM, etc. even Beta/Ducati/Triumph) And actually not trying to copy too much off of each other staying true to their identity.
Where as this looks more like a pick and chose from all established brands innovation and features to create a Frankenstein. Maybe it rides great but I would not bet on it.
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Explain how it’s different than kawi copying Ktms airbox, Brembos, smooth linear power, hydraulic clutch, estart, or triumphs engine look like a Ktm, or the frame like a Yamaha
What are you even saying exactly.
Only so many ways to skin a cat.
what I mean is throughout history (lets say 1980-today) every one of those manufacturers had developed unique features which they brought to the consumer level through RnD and one off factory bikes (this is obviously only applicable to the big japanese 4 and KTM). Here is a very short list from the top of my head, the internet and probably contains some errors:
- suzuki: full floater, first EFI in a 450 (not totally sure)
- honda: productionised alloy frame, CNC machined swingarm parts, electronic exhaust valve (2t)
- yamaha: 5 valve fourstroke, reverse engine design
- Kawasaki: honestly here I am lost, dont know what tech or features they introduced first;exhaust valve on a 500; maybe perimeter frame from 90
- KTM: standard hydrolic clutch, e-start, OEM "works parts" available for the public (SXS), t-clamp offset changable from the factory
- Ducati: nothing in MX, but the desmo valve train, extensive RnD for their superbikes and motogp bikes
- Triumph: nothing in MX, they develop and supply engines for moto 2
what I am trying to say is, every one of those manufacturers had to (and still do) go through a long phase of advancing their motorcycle technology through decades, at least in my opinion.
where does Kove fit in that? genuine question
Those OEM’s have been making MX bikes for about 60 years. Kove has been doing it for only a few. I think it’s good they didn’t try to reinvent the wheel. If they truly want to be a player in the pro ranks and be taken seriously they will continue to develop and improve. Or they will go by wayside. Cool thing is we get to sit back and watch.
btw that guy does a great job with his channel....loved the YZM big bore build
Show your work.
Cannondale and BMW developed unique features, so that criteria alone is not the recipe for a good bike
Yeah dude idk your point still.
Yamaha uses 4 valve heads now, is that copying the other brands that used 4 valve heads?
Almost every brand uses alloy frames now, is that copying Hondas frames?
Everything has electric start and hydro clutch is that copying Ktm?
Beta uses a frame that looks like Ktm is that copying?
Triumph literally did copy Ktm engines is that copying? And the frame looks like the 09 yz250f frame is that copying?
On and on and on and on
Or is it only when kove does it?
I’m not even a kove fan your argument is just wild.
Im.not paying 8000 for a 4500 dollar bike.
Beta, KTM, Ducati, Aprilia, Brembo, Marchesini all purchase hard parts from the same machine shop/Mfg facility in northern Italy.
good point.....do we now have a dilemma with the KTM? did they announce some production would move to India?
The other brands innovate the Chinese one's just copy the known formula.
I've seen a couple cfmoto in person the welds and fasteners look lower grade.
Working on Jap bikes for 20 years, that's me showing my work
Like $3k of that is tariffs, so price could come down dramatically at some point in the future
That is a logical fallacy called the appeal to authority.
"Trust me bro"
People with valid experience don't have a hard time giving examples.
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This is me not giving a fuck about proving my experience to any random person on the internet who tries to use stupid phrases to explain themselves.
China junk is China junk for a reason.
Crack addicts don't set the standards.
In China anyone can poop in public and it's fine.
Yes, I love KTM but when full production of the high end bikes goes to India I won't be paying a premium for KTM anymore.
So you're saying China has more freedom than us? I don't like where you're taking this conversation.
It's only copying when my frail American ego is threatened by a country that is run much more efficiently and keeps its capitalists in check.
Kawasaki came out with the Uni Track rear suspension.
Ohhh, so never buy an American bike. Got it.
Pooping in the street isn't "Freedom"
It's a lack of civilization
Going by that argument, are you already paying $10k for a $4.5k bike
How do they have streets without civilization?
You 100%...have not one fkng clue what you are talking about. In fact, it is quite illegal to do so in China.
maybe, but it smells really bad there....no shit
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