Upgrade to enjoy this feature!
Vital MX fantasy is free to play, but Premium users receive great benefits. Premium benefits include:
- View and download rider stats
- Pick trends
- Create a private league
- And more!
Only $10 for all 2026 SX, MX, and SMX series.
you dangerboyz are a funny lot....."he made Jett go faster"......hahaha
I’m a huge Tomac fan and have made myself look pretty silly defending him on here at times but I don’t think it is. I’m not saying Deegan definitely would be but I wouldn’t be surprised either way. It’s hard to know which Tomac you’re going to get these days and we really don’t know how well he would have adjusted to the KTM outdoors.
Like Deegz or don't...the kid is going to win. There ain't no stopping that. His mentality is kind of like RC's...winning is really all that matters. Second is fine if you like being the first loser.
I hope so. Not a fan but a battle at the front is ALWAYS a good thing.
The Shop
Luxon 4-Post Bar Mounts
$189.95 - $239.95
DeCal Works Huge Plastic Inventory of UFO and Polisport kits.
Free shipping: VITALMX
Not sure what color the sky is in your house but if Jett and Hunter slowed up, they wouldn't have won. Physics and reality. Not sure what part of that is humor.
Enjoy the racing mate! 😃
Deegs is going to have to stuff Jett like old Barcia and get hunter caught up in traffic if he wants to win with the speed he has now.
It don't get any bigger than this weekend, it's time for him to put up or shut up.
While scanning this thread it looks like there's several guys here who are letting their hate for Deegan's character cloud their vision of his performance. I know the handful of pathetic kindergartners here are completely hopeless to discuss anything objectively, but let's see if some of you others who have the potential to be stand up guys can let the hate go for a minute and focus on the actual data. In short, the truth is that Deegan has made massive strides since Thunder Valley and he actually matched Jett's pace at High Point moto 2, while in traffic. While you guys are all focused on the exaggerating the end result, the teams and riders are breaking down the track into sections to study where they are best/worst and why.
@Mavetism - Deegan said Jett can't use his ankle as an excuse anymore because he knew he had finally just matched Jett's pace. I say matched, but Deegan actually beat Jett's pace in Moto2. Can you understand why a rookie who just matched the best guy in the world, who supposedly should be gapping him by 30 seconds, had a reason to be happy and talk smack? I'm not saying you have to agree with the smack talk, but hopefully you can understand where that came from. Also, I see you and several others have mentioned that many here have claimed Deegan was going undefeated, or even going to beat Jett often. Like The Moth asked, who is it that said this and where? Please provide links and sources because other than a couple extreme members like Super_Fan_38, all I remember seeing is people saying Deegan should be able to run Jett's pace at times, and he has clearly done that.
@CPR - You say Deegan is 3rd best only after Tomac's collision and Chase tucking the front, but isn't staying on two wheels part of the challenge to be one of the best riders in the world? It's okay for you guys to claim weak field for Deegan, but it's not okay when people talk about how weak the field was in Jett's rookie year? Go talk to Marchbanks and ask him how easy Jett's rookie year was compared to this year. Complete Night and Day difference. Also, Prado's DNF had nothing to do with Deegan smoking him at High Point Moto 2. I'll be honest I thought Prado was going to hold him up and frustrate him, but Deegan got by him fairly quickly and yarded him.
@TropicPilot - You said he's still back 20+ seconds in every moto and Prado/Lawrence would need to f*ck up? Did you watch High Point Moto 2? Do you know Deegan bested Jett's pace? Agreed he'll stick out his tongue and do his antics if he wins, but I'm talking strictly about racing performance here. And regarding the cheating at Thunder Valley. Are you aware he beat both Lawrences in 1/3rd of the other sectors and Deegan gained .5 seconds on Jett in Sector 3 on a lap or two when he didn't take the cheater line? And that he did not cheat at High Point and went something like 51% win over Jett instead of 33% win at Thunder Valley?
As for a couple other claims and excuses we see around here very often:
Wrong, Jett does not cruise for 2nd place, to lose a moto and an overall. Jett does not cruise to let Deegan reel him in and beat his lap times. If you say Jett is cruising you are actually insulting him, by saying he doesn't have the talent to cruise without almost crashing. The truth is Jett was a bit off, and he was going as fast as he possibly could without wadding himself, which almost happened twice in that moto. You did not see them on the broadcast. Also, Jett has had several other sketchy moments this year, so if he's almost going down while 'cruising' that's not a good look for him.
I agree. However, doesn't every rider have more in the tank until they crash?? Of course everyone can go faster, until they go down. And so being pushed into that sketchy zone becomes more of risk.
For anyone who is capable of reading a 1.5 page write up with all the data, take a look and you will see how much Deegan has improved. The most impressive stat is that Deegan flipped a sector or two on Hunter, the race winner. Hunter did not all of a sudden "cruise" or slow down in one sector of the track in Moto2 with his brother chasing him. That was Deegan figuring it out:
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/dumbgeon/deegan-reality-vs-vital-narrative
As a fan of the Lawrences many of you obnoxious fans are not doing them any favors by propping them up into invincible God-Like status. They don't appreciate this type of fandom because it brings toxic energy their way and it turns people against them. You are essentially doing exactly what Deegan does to himself, but the Lawrences didn't invite any of it (maybe Jett a little bit). They know they are human and are aware you guys are just building a pressure cooker that will eventually burst, whenever the universe decides so.
All the exaggerated talk about how far off Haiden is. But if Haiden does beat Jett on an off day, does that mean Jett sucks too now because he lost to someone who was never supposed to beat him?
I don't follow social media but I do see clips that friends send to me. So I must have missed it, but where did Haiden say he was going to go out and beat Jett? I recall him saying Jett should be able to beat him, but I missed all the smack talk that everyone seems to reference here, so where is it? Was it the Tee-Shirt. Do any of you actually know the story behind the shirt? I'm not supporting his decision to wear it, but if you know the story behind it you might understand it a little better.
the only way Deegan wins a moto this year is if the Hunter bros knock each other down. That actually could happen.
Or, if they somehow get bad starts for once and have to deal with traffic, or deal with passing Deegan who starts playing a game of cat and mouse. I agree Deegan won't beat the brothers when they are on, at least for now, but he doesn't have to be faster than them to beat them. There are plenty of other scenarios that can play out.
But the biggest advantage of all is their starts. They are nearly undefeated against several gates of 40 riders.
I would love to see Deegan try playing his cat-and-mouse game with Jett. I don't think it would last long. Jett would sprint away. Deegan's plan is probably to try and make Jett go down.
The truth about moto, though, is we will probably never see this 'great battle' between them that we all imagine. Never seems to work that way.
Id give my left nut ( if I still had it) to have qualified for a national at some point.
Happy 4th to everyone. 🇺🇸
@Black Diesel Bomber by any objective measure Deegan is doing well for a rookie 450 season.
With regard to your other points...
The odds are that Deegan will beat Jett at some point. I mean most of the current top five guys have beaten him once or twice; he's not infallible. At that point Deegan will just be joining the club of people who beat Jett for an odd moto here or there, or maybe even an overall. By itself that is a significant feat, but we are talking about the best motocross racers on the planet, whose goal is to win championships. And until anyone demonstrates an ability to consistently finish ahead of Jett I can't see anyone defeating him for a championship (notwithstanding injuries).
I hear you the cat and mouse game can go either way, and possibly backfire on Deegan again, but I would say it's coming for sure at some point. Jett is not used to anyone trying to f*ck with him, so it's unchartered waters as to what will happen.
Agreed about the great battles too. This year was supposed to be a 5-6 way dog fight, but we lost Sexton and Tomac right early on. I hope Prado finds more pace so we can see him get in there too, but those HRC starts aren't allowing much to happen right now. I'd like to see Prado hole shot, with Deegan not too far behind in 3-4, and see Hunter and Jett have back in 8-9 starts. That is where it things might get exciting.
And next year Lucas Coenen will be there; his starting consistency is almost as good as the Lawrences.
Actually Deegan's biggest challenge might be starts. All well and good to match speed but when your two main competitors are in the top 3 off the gate almost every single moto that's a big mountain to climb.
Right, and no one has done that…except his brother that beat both of them
So you think that Haidens fitness and race management are going to improve but Jett, who is riding obviously impaired due to an injury and short pre season won't improve? That's a bold take.
Pit Row
Oh you mean like they did at Pala and Jett went through the back next to him except did it better?
Appreciate the stand up response Ando, and I pretty much agree with you with on mostly everything. But Haiden did not fall off in Moto 2 at High Point. I didn't think he would be this fast this soon, but he stayed strong until the end.
One thing for everyone to consider - everyone here talks about a result on paper that reflects a W, but Deegan knows he's not as fast as the brothers right now. Him and his Dad are not dumb like many think, they are actually very smart and know where they are at. So their goals are to close the gap, which he did at High Point. So although still not a W on paper it was a win for him because he knew Jett was pushing and almost went down twice, thus the reason for his cocky comment.
With that said, Jett was off a bit and he might come back this weekend and spank everyone again. I'm a big Hunter fan, so I wish Hunter didn't have to share all his bike settings with Jett over this break. I believe Hunter has finally found his potential, and it's going to be a dog fight between those two for the championship.
If you are going consider that a race a regular season race when both riders were up to speed, then yes you are correct Jett came through the pack better. But note there was team discussions about Jett having a little better luck than Deegan, with RJ and someone else going down right in front of him, while they both gave Deegan fits. But that happens, and yes Jett diced through quicker.
With that said, anyone in the industry isn't taking Pala as anything noteworthy for benchmarking. Jett was freshly back and it was Deegan's first race. It's no different than A1.
Agreed. It's almost a given the two HRC 450's will be up front on every start. It's not talked about enough, but it's very signifiant. I guess the commentators cover it often though, with the "key of the race" being to get a good start. Lawrence brothers are putting on a clinic.
I thought Prado would be pulling some hole shots this year and we know he had a similar reputation for being a great started, but we've yet to see him yank the Hondas.
Can we at least agree that if something happens to the Hunter Bros...then Deegan is the best of the rest? And for the record, I'm a Lawrence cum chuggler...until Tony gets here.🙃
According to @MOTO13 , that makes him second loser!
Lucas Coenen has made Jett push for more laps in one race than Deeg’s has all year.
I can agree he is 3rd/4th best tied with Prado, atleast with who is lining up consistently right now.
Four days straight of drunk posting is actually incredible.
Yeah, can drop that to 4th-5th when Lucas is visiting..,
Post a reply to: Moto Wins for Deegan the next 3 weeks