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As long as the politicians keep us divided and keep all the conspiracy theories going then America will continue this path of nothing being accomplished.
Power conditioned by large capacitor banks and line reactors.
Eliminates spikes/ transients, smoothes the sine wave.
Pisto
Around here we have people waving their protest signs, ranting on social media, etc... claiming water usage, electricity rate increases, and the end of civilized society as we know it.
They fail to remember that the first place our local hydroelectric power is sent to is, the ORNL facilities.
The rest is mainly sold off out of state.
And none of them will "use" water for anything more than cooling, then returned back into the Tennessee river, like every other power entity along the way.
Including the huge amount of water used for cooling, and power generation by the nearby Watts Bar nuclear power plant just downstream from here.
As usual, histrionics is contagious.
And via the very internet these centers are supporting.
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^^^ waiting with baited breath for the surveillance state apparently.
Regardless of what's being done now by existing power plants, pumping a bunch of cool river water through a bunch of metal cooling tubes to reduce server heat, then pumping that heated water back into a natural stream all for AI progress and monetization is good for the environment in your eyes? You don't see a problem with fucking with an ecosystem like that?
I thought you would be a champion for the preservation of nature at all costs given how much time you spend outdoors.
Couple things:
SMR's aren't operational yet, accept in Russia and China.
I've also been involved in the custom woodworking business for over 40yrs.
Been responsible for chopping countless sq miles of rainforest, hardwood forests, etc...
Life is all about compromise, and the related hypocrisy, and realizing that pretty much every human advancement lets even more horses out of the pen.
We're leaving soon for the Mediterranean, via England.
The hoops you have to jump through, the paperwork, the passports, all involve giving up private info, facial recognition, etc...
And I doubt more any than 100' of our journey won't be video recorded.
It sucks. But it's our world now.
And all before most of these centers have even been built.
I'll let the protester's, waving their signs get their lives wrapped up in it all.
Just like the TDS crowd giving themselves 24/7/365 to a cause they have no control over.
Ain't got time for that shit, man.
I guess you missed it Avid. DJT made it easier than ever to erect data centers. A simple reroute on the Monarch Crest Trail in CO takes like 5 years but a data center can pop right up no problem. It’s always the best idea when it’s Dons idea. If we complain about it then we’re just a bunch of cunts. He handed that psycho Peter Thiel and Alex Karp the keys to building the surveillance state. Let’s all take a moment and go read about Thiels latest move. Fucking douche bag is afraid of the very thing he helped create so he moved to Argentina.
Anyone done the homework on the data center in Utah…how many of the acres are being left alone?
When you look up the actual project…it’s looking like water shed retention.
And you’re absolutely correct about the histrionics. It’s almost as if data centers haven’t been around for a long, long time.
We live in a world where people pay no attention to the craziness of “The Patriot Act” or the average NDAA…fill their houses with Chinese SHIT & bitch about domestic manufacturing being dead…talk shit about Amazon as they order said Chinese SHIT on their Prime account…join in on the madness via the MSM narrative…and now, join in on the “AI Doomer Hysteria” as they tap-tap-tap away…angrily…
On thier digital devices. 🤣
Btw, Milo says to tell your pups “Hi!”
That face !!!
Who will be paying to upgrade the local water treatment facilities to prepare for the massive increase in the amount of water they have to process? It’s either that or the water evaporates into the atmosphere. Many places are already in a severe drought. The Ogallala Aquifer is already under enough stress. These data centers obviously wont slow that down.
The Gemini data center they’re wanting to build here by Sioux Falls was lobbying and proposing for a 50 year tax credit. Thankfully that part is dead, for now. Why should they get any tax breaks. It’s a bunch of bullshit.
What I have read is that most data centers are using evaporative cooling, which uses a fuck ton of water. With the push back some are saying they will switch to closed loop, but that drastically increases electrical usage.
People are not just complaining about nothing. More thought has to be put into how we structure and build this infrastructure.
Which is why colder climes, and locations next to constant water sources makes the most sense.
That is a terrible view. And I don’t understand why anyone would consider it. You don’t believe in the science behind climate change. So depressing.
Honestly don’t know what to say. Subjective and objective? What would it take to convince you to change your opinion? Are you are sure you, you alone are right? Even when all evidence based logic says otherwise?
So depressing.
This is why the desert in Utah makes sooo much sense 😂.
You guys are funny when Biden was in office you guys were pissing your pants over being ‘spied’ on, now it’s thank you sir may I have another 😂
Pit Row
What "human advancement" are you talking about? Surveillance, advertising, deep fake porn? And at what cost?
For fucking real. Palantir is doing some sketchy shit and it won’t be good for us at all. But since DJT has given them the go ahead it’s a great deal for sure!
Are nuclear powered ships classified as SMRs?
Yes.
Can a Virginia class submarine be deployed to Utah to power the data center?
None of this is really necessary . It’s like cell phones, we got along just fine before they came on the scene. The only reason you need a cell phone now is because everyone else has one. These Data/ AI centers are the same. We only need them because other countries are getting them.
there already having major water contamination issue with data centers near cities and towns that are ruining the drink water.
I skimmed a few pages of what's been posted here, but here's what the issue is for Utahns against the data center:
1.) Utah Governor Spencer Cox’s family business is CentraCom, a Fairview-based telecommunications company founded by his family in 1903. While Gov. Cox's family sold the company to LICT Corporation in 2001, his father still serves as president, and he previously worked there as vice president and general counsel.
Basically the Governor and all of the politicians are into it for profit without any cares of the rammifications of the data center's impact to the environment.
These dorks are selling off our land and the implications are that the temperatrues will rise in these areas which will further increase our drought and impact winter storms due to the temperature increases, which will drastically reduce snowfall & watershed. They didn't take a vote for it, basically just use authoritatian tactics to make it happen even while the state majority is against it.
https://www.ksl.com/article/hundreds-of-utahns-rally-against-proposed-box-elder-data-center/51501551?_gl=1*193m11s*_gcl_au*MjA0OTk2NDYzOC4xNzgwMjI5NDk1*_ga*ODk0OTQyMDgzLjE3NjI2OTM3NzE.*_ga_JW89DL7T5D*czE3ODA0MTk5OTQkbzEwNSRnMSR0MTc4MDQyMDAyOSRqMjUkbDAkaDA.
Utah House speaker Mike Schultz owns land adjacent to the proposed data center
https://www.ksl.com/article/utah-house-speaker-owns-25k-acres-not-far-from-site-of-proposed-box-elder-county-data-center/51498194?_gl=1*ygv36z*_gcl_au*MjA0OTk2NDYzOC4xNzgwMjI5NDk1*_ga*ODk0OTQyMDgzLjE3NjI2OTM3NzE.*_ga_JW89DL7T5D*czE3ODA0MTk5OTQkbzEwNSRnMSR0MTc4MDQyMDMxMyRqMzYkbDAkaDA.
Someday datacenters will be where kids go to smoke weed and break bottles.
I appreciate the broadening of the discussion.
I tend to get overly focused on the topic being discussed. It's helpful to be reminded that virtually every issue is actually about a completely different list of people we're supposed to be annoyed with.
Just goes to show there's always something new to learn......!
My understanding is that the main reason modular reactors aren’t viable in the US is because of legacy permitting and regulation laws that were put in place during the Carter administration that essentially treat all nuclear plants equally regardless of size. The creates huge red tape hurdles to jump through that can take 10 years or more and really aren’t applicable to the modern modular style reactors.
Regardless, it’s hilarious to me that just last summer we were all being warned about how the power grid just can’t handle the additional load of running your AC when it’s 110 out, but all of a sudden we magically have the ability to power all these massive data centers and nobody bats an eye. I feel like we’re getting dangerously close to the point where we either take the power back from the government and these elites, or we’re going to have to answer a lot of hard questions from future generations about why we sat back and did nothing while their future and freedom were taken away from them before they had a voice.
Datacenters aren't new, this is true. As of 2025 AI comprised around 30% of datacenter capacity, granted this percentage is increasing quickly (much like datacenter construction in this country).
The other 70% is us. Your backed up photos, messages, videos, flock camera footage, etc. YouTube users upload 500hrs of video every minute, Google Photos stores 4.5 trillion photos. VitalMX data lives in datacenters.
From 2020 to 2025 we created more data than everything prior combined.
"The Cloud" lives inside datacenters.
AI and algorithms were initially developed to keep us engaged on digital platforms, to target us to sell us crap, to extract our resources (energy and money) at the individual level. This was taken a step further to influence how people are programmed, communicate with each other, vote - to strategically influence culture and governments through election influence/interference, etc. Evolutionary process of power, control, manipulation.
This simply sped up the process from previous mechanisms.
AI is ushering the introduction of incredibly powerful tools that enable corporations to aggregate all of this data and create digital profiles beyond singular platforms. The "singularity" to me is all the data of everyone, and everything connected with a very complex web that has the capability to take the power, control, manipulation, etc. many steps forward, which is not a good thing for humanity, the individual and freedom, privacy - particularly with the greedy corporations, compromised government(s) and the like currently steering this front.
Freedom isn't free. In the future it will be a more obvious illusion, and exist as a subscription service assuming you are in a good enough standing to be granted elements of it.
We are all compromised. We have all become dependent and addicted to technology. We all willingly generate and hand over our data constantly. We continue to fuel a fire that could very much be weaponized against any individual at anytime, much like it's being used to steer the masses at present.
If the world nukes itself, there is no people left to control and manipulate. Which is what the folks running the show seek the most, as having billions and trillions of dollars doesn't cut it anymore.
As I've said previously on here - cancer starts as a single mutated cell. While the process begins with one rogue cell, it is rarely a single mutation that causes cancer. The development of cancer involves a step-by-step evolutionary process. We are seeing this exact dynamic occur on a societal level.
And we all know the Medical Industrial Complex doesn't want to cure cancer, but to "treat" it. Better for business. Create a problem, sell you a solution.
We've been tested a lot in the past decade. And it feels like we've been failing these tests. I do think a lot more people (myself included) are starting to wake up and smell the bullshit.
Short summary below if you don't want to read all that rambling nonsense above:
If we don't like the fire we're building, a good move is to stop giving it fuel. It’s the classic rule of thumb for conflict, chaos, or destructive habits. Starving the flame by removing attention, energy, or resources is the only surefire way to regain control and put it out.
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