Bad press for the 350

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Lightning78 1/27/2011 7:51am
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smc916 wrote:
Cyclenews said he was on the 450, either way I'm never surprised when a KTM breaks...
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/off-road/2011/01/25/pearson-capitaliz…
I am ..... I hardly ever hear of a ktm blowing up ....some of you have such a hatred for brands other than your own that it clouds your better judgement. I am a Suzuki rider and don't care what brand blows up the fastest .....face it, they all blow engines and 90% of the time it is due to lack of maintenance not the brand.

Yes 4 strokes are a lot more expensive to rebuild If something goes south that's why I ride 2 strokes
DanDunes818 1/27/2011 8:13am
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I don't think losing a motor in the home stretch of a Hare and Hound race while leading is bad press. That's just happens.

Having the Two best holeshot artists in the sport of SX and MX go from holeshoting every race to rounding every first turn mid pack after they switch to the 350 may be a little worse on the PR side..
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DanDunes818 wrote:
I don't think losing a motor in the home stretch of a Hare and Hound race while leading is bad press. That's just happens. Having the...
I don't think losing a motor in the home stretch of a Hare and Hound race while leading is bad press. That's just happens.

Having the Two best holeshot artists in the sport of SX and MX go from holeshoting every race to rounding every first turn mid pack after they switch to the 350 may be a little worse on the PR side..
yup
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smc916 wrote:
Cyclenews said he was on the 450, either way I'm never surprised when a KTM breaks...
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/off-road/2011/01/25/pearson-capitaliz…
Lightning78 wrote:
I am ..... I hardly ever hear of a ktm blowing up ....some of you have such a hatred for brands other than your own that...
I am ..... I hardly ever hear of a ktm blowing up ....some of you have such a hatred for brands other than your own that it clouds your better judgement. I am a Suzuki rider and don't care what brand blows up the fastest .....face it, they all blow engines and 90% of the time it is due to lack of maintenance not the brand.

Yes 4 strokes are a lot more expensive to rebuild If something goes south that's why I ride 2 strokes
Good point. I agree but the XR200 is an exception to the rule.Cool

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Faceaz 1/27/2011 8:23am
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Wait a second.... You're telling me an underpowered 350 was beating 450's in a open desert race, where power dominates. It was beating the 450's so bad that he was able to push it the last mile & still finish 5th?

Every bike breaks, a little black eye for the 350 but nothing big. I actually never really thought the 350 would be competitive in a desert race. I'm sure more people were suprised @ how it was beating competition, than they were that it broke.
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Poor Kurt. His bike let go at Catalina while leading as well. Had like a 5 minute lead or something crazy! That sucks.
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burn1986 1/27/2011 8:38am
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Faceaz wrote:
Wait a second.... You're telling me an underpowered 350 was beating 450's in a open desert race, where power dominates. It was beating the 450's so...
Wait a second.... You're telling me an underpowered 350 was beating 450's in a open desert race, where power dominates. It was beating the 450's so bad that he was able to push it the last mile & still finish 5th?

Every bike breaks, a little black eye for the 350 but nothing big. I actually never really thought the 350 would be competitive in a desert race. I'm sure more people were suprised @ how it was beating competition, than they were that it broke.
Yeah, definitely
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lucero10x 1/27/2011 8:38am
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What I hate about the naysayers and haters is that once they are proven wrong they just kind of back away into the shadows with absolutely no accountability for their jaggoff ways.

They are always the ones who spout their bullshit up front and act like they know everyfuggin thing in the world, then, once proven wrong they shut their mouths only long enough to jump on the bandwagon then with only slight hesitation they start touting their long time support of the person/product/idea that they had been vehemently spewing their shit storm upon.

Just sayin...
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peelout wrote:
did danny hamel ever blow his kx500? just curious.
Danny Hamel was "the man". I never had a chance to see him race, but I remember reading cycle news and he always won.....
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TeamGreen 1/27/2011 10:48am
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Dropbear wrote:
Not that this has much to do with the thread, but here's a pic of Knighter on a 2 stroke at last weeks extreme enduro in...
Not that this has much to do with the thread, but here's a pic of Knighter on a 2 stroke at last weeks extreme enduro in the UK. He won BTW

As I recall...

Kurt was on a 250-2T at Catalina and it blew-up...too.

I'm jus' sayin'...
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peelout 1/27/2011 12:02pm
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peelout wrote:
did danny hamel ever blow his kx500? just curious.
fader418 wrote:
Danny Hamel was "the man". I never had a chance to see him race, but I remember reading cycle news and he always won.....
i was a HUGE fan growing up, he did a couple of the AMA races in utah and i met him each time he came here. great guy and i was just a kid but he took the time to say hello. his dad was a good guy as well.

i remember we were at one of the check points and he came through so fast that there was no way he was going to be able to stop. he stopped, i marked his fender, and he was gone. there was a huge gully right after the check point and he pinned it right over that bitch, i'm talking 15 feet from a dead stop. guy was simply amazing.
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Karma 1/27/2011 12:43pm
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DanDunes818 wrote:
I don't think losing a motor in the home stretch of a Hare and Hound race while leading is bad press. That's just happens. Having the...
I don't think losing a motor in the home stretch of a Hare and Hound race while leading is bad press. That's just happens.

Having the Two best holeshot artists in the sport of SX and MX go from holeshoting every race to rounding every first turn mid pack after they switch to the 350 may be a little worse on the PR side..
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yup
exactly. KTM is making a huge marketing mistake. The 350 would and is an awesome everyday guy bike, and should be marketed as such, but instead they are making the bike look bad trying to win SX and sell the bike to wanna a be superstars.

speaking of PR, what about Shorty's Honda not even starting a moto, (ignition) or Millsaps mechanical dnf at Millevillle 2yrs ago, Reed's Yami at Daytona, ouch! etc etc, too many examples to list from all mfc's

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Craze 1/27/2011 12:48pm
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hard2kill wrote:
Kurt Caselli was leading the opening round of the hare and hound series when his bike let go and he had to push it the last...
Kurt Caselli was leading the opening round of the hare and hound series when his bike let go and he had to push it the last mile to the finish for 5th place.heres a vid from the race that shows him pushing his bike at the end. http://www.offroadviking.com/Hare%20and%20Hound%20Rd1_video.shtm
It wasn't a 350..it was a 450...some say it blew up, some say he ran out of gas.....either way, if Man builds it...it breaks...nuff said
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dcg141 1/27/2011 1:10pm
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350's are selling and selling well. The 350 SXF is now KTM's 2nd best selling bike behind the 300XC. Not only that KTM's in general are selling. Last quarter KTM was up to 23% of offroad market. Tied with Honda for sales and pulling way ahead of Kaw and Suzuki. Hate all you want but alot of riders are buying orange bikes.
motoarmageddon 1/27/2011 1:13pm
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The reason why people seem to be pointing out the KTM 350 weaknesses more than usual is because of the hype KTM was spewing all over the place in regards to the 350. "perfect size bike. no one wants 450s anymore they are waaay to heavy etc etc etc." wait the KTM is almost as heavy. After Alessi holeshot Glen Helen all I saw on Vital was photos of him and Cairoli...NO DONT POST ANYMORE OF that crap. "They" said that Glen Helen proved that the 350 is more than competitive with 450s. Well if thats true then this years SX series has proved that the 350 is not at all competitive.
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mxgeoff 1/27/2011 1:21pm
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motoarmageddon wrote:
The reason why people seem to be pointing out the KTM 350 weaknesses more than usual is because of the hype KTM was spewing all over...
The reason why people seem to be pointing out the KTM 350 weaknesses more than usual is because of the hype KTM was spewing all over the place in regards to the 350. "perfect size bike. no one wants 450s anymore they are waaay to heavy etc etc etc." wait the KTM is almost as heavy. After Alessi holeshot Glen Helen all I saw on Vital was photos of him and Cairoli...NO DONT POST ANYMORE OF that crap. "They" said that Glen Helen proved that the 350 is more than competitive with 450s. Well if thats true then this years SX series has proved that the 350 is not at all competitive.
How can you say something so stupid. You seriously think that Andrew Short has a shot at getting top five in this years Supercross class, the answer is NO WAY. It's not the bike, it's Stewart, Villopoto, Reed, Canard and Dungey who keep Short out of the top five, not the 350.
motoarmageddon 1/27/2011 1:42pm
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motoarmageddon wrote:
The reason why people seem to be pointing out the KTM 350 weaknesses more than usual is because of the hype KTM was spewing all over...
The reason why people seem to be pointing out the KTM 350 weaknesses more than usual is because of the hype KTM was spewing all over the place in regards to the 350. "perfect size bike. no one wants 450s anymore they are waaay to heavy etc etc etc." wait the KTM is almost as heavy. After Alessi holeshot Glen Helen all I saw on Vital was photos of him and Cairoli...NO DONT POST ANYMORE OF that crap. "They" said that Glen Helen proved that the 350 is more than competitive with 450s. Well if thats true then this years SX series has proved that the 350 is not at all competitive.
mxgeoff wrote:
How can you say something so stupid. You seriously think that Andrew Short has a shot at getting top five in this years Supercross class, the...
How can you say something so stupid. You seriously think that Andrew Short has a shot at getting top five in this years Supercross class, the answer is NO WAY. It's not the bike, it's Stewart, Villopoto, Reed, Canard and Dungey who keep Short out of the top five, not the 350.
Geoff im sorry but im not the stupid one who said KTM is going to take over SX and MX within 3 years...thats STUPID. Maybe its not that easy, maybe just maybe, HOn kaw suz and yam might put up a fight. And go tell Andrew Short that he just has no chance of runnin top 5. i think he can run up front...on the right bike. there are people who think the KTM 350 has singlehandedly ruined MIke Alessi s career. it may not be true but that is what it looks like. when that 350 finishes as poorly as it has been it looks bad. Teams want to win because it makes their bike look good. so what happens if you never win? your bike looks bad
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mxgeoff 1/27/2011 1:46pm
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motoarmageddon wrote:
The reason why people seem to be pointing out the KTM 350 weaknesses more than usual is because of the hype KTM was spewing all over...
The reason why people seem to be pointing out the KTM 350 weaknesses more than usual is because of the hype KTM was spewing all over the place in regards to the 350. "perfect size bike. no one wants 450s anymore they are waaay to heavy etc etc etc." wait the KTM is almost as heavy. After Alessi holeshot Glen Helen all I saw on Vital was photos of him and Cairoli...NO DONT POST ANYMORE OF that crap. "They" said that Glen Helen proved that the 350 is more than competitive with 450s. Well if thats true then this years SX series has proved that the 350 is not at all competitive.
mxgeoff wrote:
How can you say something so stupid. You seriously think that Andrew Short has a shot at getting top five in this years Supercross class, the...
How can you say something so stupid. You seriously think that Andrew Short has a shot at getting top five in this years Supercross class, the answer is NO WAY. It's not the bike, it's Stewart, Villopoto, Reed, Canard and Dungey who keep Short out of the top five, not the 350.
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Geoff im sorry but im not the stupid one who said KTM is going to take over SX and MX within 3 years...thats STUPID. Maybe its...
Geoff im sorry but im not the stupid one who said KTM is going to take over SX and MX within 3 years...thats STUPID. Maybe its not that easy, maybe just maybe, HOn kaw suz and yam might put up a fight. And go tell Andrew Short that he just has no chance of runnin top 5. i think he can run up front...on the right bike. there are people who think the KTM 350 has singlehandedly ruined MIke Alessi s career. it may not be true but that is what it looks like. when that 350 finishes as poorly as it has been it looks bad. Teams want to win because it makes their bike look good. so what happens if you never win? your bike looks bad
I know the guys at KTM pretty well, and they never expected Short to win, they expect him to do his best. In this years series he is doing great, but race with that top five, it won't happen. KTM never said they would take over the sport, not once.

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rgmx-49 1/27/2011 1:50pm
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Faceaz wrote:
Wait a second.... You're telling me an underpowered 350 was beating 450's in a open desert race, where power dominates. It was beating the 450's so...
Wait a second.... You're telling me an underpowered 350 was beating 450's in a open desert race, where power dominates. It was beating the 450's so bad that he was able to push it the last mile & still finish 5th?

Every bike breaks, a little black eye for the 350 but nothing big. I actually never really thought the 350 would be competitive in a desert race. I'm sure more people were suprised @ how it was beating competition, than they were that it broke.
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the 350 kicks ass!
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Faceaz 1/27/2011 1:59pm
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motoarmageddon wrote:
The reason why people seem to be pointing out the KTM 350 weaknesses more than usual is because of the hype KTM was spewing all over...
The reason why people seem to be pointing out the KTM 350 weaknesses more than usual is because of the hype KTM was spewing all over the place in regards to the 350. "perfect size bike. no one wants 450s anymore they are waaay to heavy etc etc etc." wait the KTM is almost as heavy. After Alessi holeshot Glen Helen all I saw on Vital was photos of him and Cairoli...NO DONT POST ANYMORE OF that crap. "They" said that Glen Helen proved that the 350 is more than competitive with 450s. Well if thats true then this years SX series has proved that the 350 is not at all competitive.
Where do you get your info? Can you post a link?

The BS people make-up is amazing.

Can you tell me why KTM would bash the 450's, when they make one.

Promoting the 350 - yes. KTM bashing something they make - I don't think so.
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All I know is that this KTM 350 was going to be answer to guys like me who ride 250 four strokes and just wanted a LITTLE more power. It is NOT light, and I am told runs more like a small 450 than a fast 250. I still am waiting for a light 350 that runs much like a 250, but I wouldn't think any 350 is the answer at that level
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oldercat wrote:
All I know is that this KTM 350 was going to be answer to guys like me who ride 250 four strokes and just wanted a...
All I know is that this KTM 350 was going to be answer to guys like me who ride 250 four strokes and just wanted a LITTLE more power. It is NOT light, and I am told runs more like a small 450 than a fast 250. I still am waiting for a light 350 that runs much like a 250, but I wouldn't think any 350 is the answer at that level
You may wanna check what virtually EVERY review says about the 350 and how it runs. I have yet to see one that says it runs like a small 450, and every one I have seen says it runs like a fast 250. The physical weight of the bike, is not much less if any than a 450, however it is the "feel" of the bike while turning and in the air that the reviews have said make it "feel" lighter.

I am a die hard 2 stroke guy, I have tried 450's, the only 4 stroke that I am even interested in right now is that 350. If I see one, I will beg to take it for a spin.
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DanDunes818 wrote:
I don't think losing a motor in the home stretch of a Hare and Hound race while leading is bad press. That's just happens. Having the...
I don't think losing a motor in the home stretch of a Hare and Hound race while leading is bad press. That's just happens.

Having the Two best holeshot artists in the sport of SX and MX go from holeshoting every race to rounding every first turn mid pack after they switch to the 350 may be a little worse on the PR side..
...the Two best holeshot artists in the sport of SX and MX go from holeshoting every race...

Really?

I'm thinking KTM is probably pretty happy with the 350 in SX so far. Three 350's made the main last week, one finished top ten, none finished last.
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jamma10 1/27/2011 3:27pm
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In the 25-30 years I've been following the sport I've never read such misguided, irrational bullshit than the crap spouted by those opposed to the 350.
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jamma10 1/27/2011 3:35pm
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DanDunes818 wrote:
I don't think losing a motor in the home stretch of a Hare and Hound race while leading is bad press. That's just happens. Having the...
I don't think losing a motor in the home stretch of a Hare and Hound race while leading is bad press. That's just happens.

Having the Two best holeshot artists in the sport of SX and MX go from holeshoting every race to rounding every first turn mid pack after they switch to the 350 may be a little worse on the PR side..
Dan you're more astute than that.

Go and check the stats from last years SX and find me one main event where Short was higher than 4th off the start.

Furthermore, do you honestly regard Short (or Alessi) in the same category as Stewart, Villopoto, Dungey and Reed on a Supercross track?
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`ol Ger 1/27/2011 4:44pm
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Oh I thought you were talking about the MXA article.......

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