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What I’m confused about is how the media would lose revenue. While I have not received a media approval letter from Feld, I have for MX Sports and it explicitly says they own all images and footage taken. Feld doesn’t have the same or similar wording in their approvals? If they do, media is selling images and footage that doesn’t even belong to them, no? Just curious because maybe I took the emails the wrong way or something.
Thanks.
Seems the more Moto Vids that flood the airwaves, the bigger the sport grows. Feld can't have that,....
Has this been covered? Haven’t read all the pages…
If they lock up a lot of the photography/videography are they planning on a series production to go along with the racing? Seems that they have took notice to how much of the Deegan, Jett/Hunter, etc weekly videos have took off? They want more of the YouTube pie?
Michael, do you think it's mostly about money or do you feel control is also an important part?
I always thought what we like here, your eagle-eyed lense in the pits spotting austro-japanese suspension or one-off airboxes and now Lew's "annoying" questions or even your "what we learned on Friday" could irritate the powers that be...
Do you think the will to build a "clean", controlled (and boring) narrative is part of this mess?
Whatever, what you depict is an absolute nightmare you'd expect from an authoritarian regime, hope there's enough pressure on Feld to make them soften their views... Blocking free media is never a good sign.
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sounds like my lifelong dream of shooting an mx/sx race is going out the window. but im still going for it!
This is Mikkel Haarup at Motoplaygrounds Spring a Ding Ding race at Oakhill.
React firmly to what exactly? Oh yeah, nobody knows.
No strobes
I just hope the shareholders come out of all this doing ok
Supercross would be just as popular if riding a dirt bike was the way to survive and get out of almost any shitty situation most find themselves in across the world, and the barrier to entry excluded buying a dirt bike.
Way more would watch as well if you had a ceremonial face off between Hunter & Kenny, and a press conference where they throw shit at each other.
($20 says Deegan replicates this whole charade if he’s ever in a winner take all championship scenario. And if he does, $5 says he even brings a scale.)
With platforms that provide instant access to people seeking a 5 second dopamine hit, a population addicted to negative skewing, dualistic drama, and a sport that is as primal as it gets, Dana is selling candy to babies.
If anything, he’s fumbled the ball that it’s not more popular across broader markets. That would involve actually loving the sport and the people in it. Instead, he spends his energy bringing the world Power Slap.
Back to Feld and SX.
Let’s be real. A 5 second slo-mo of guys banging bars or crashing their brains out in 4k, in your pocket whenever you want it, is dope. Literally and figuratively. SX is an unreal business to be in for getting attention. Feld is selling candy to toddlers.
And they are fucking it up.
That’s the gap WSX sees.
That’s what they now see.
And they are fucking up trying to fix it.
Because they only see the world through one lens, what’s good for themselves and their bottom line.
Fuck the world and everyone in it.
Same same Dana. Same same UFC.
Ps. The TP199 IG got its last views from my eyeballs right before coming here to Vital. Begging Dana, like his fighters beg for bonus money, to be part of the pedo show at the White House, while at a PowerSlap event no less.
Pps. Give me motocross or give me death.
Ppps. The world is a stage 🎭
If what you're saying is true (and I have zero reason to doubt you) then FELD and MX Sports had better buckle up because what's up next is revenue sharing ticket sales with teams/riders. The folks with the most clout are the manufacturers and the riders not FELD/MX Sports. FELD/MX Sports can only control so much before it gets into Anti trust territory. NASCAR lost that battle and paid dearly.
based post. lets hope they organize under a shrewd agent and BTFO feld
Would love to see something like this happen, even if it doesn’t work out, it would be crazy to see some of the things that came out through the nascar trial come out in moto
This is such a crazy thing to push through. I really, really want to see their Excel sheets where they have calculated this scenario and how much they think they're going to profit from doing this.
I don't think it will happen. The other stakeholders (OEMs, private teams, riders, sponsors) will have nothing to gain in this, only negatives.
These rumors really illustrate my biggest problem with the world nowadays. The bean-counters have completely taken over everything. Very few companies these days are earnestly interested in producing the best product possible for the consumer. I understand that business is business, but I feel like a big shakeup is coming for many industries.
Greed. Then they pit the workers against each other when the workers demand more for their labor by saying the workers are actually the greedy ones. And then the worst part: it works!
Class consciousness, people! We are on a bad, bad slope.
i think its just the vulture class looking for a quick return. the steady, sustainable growth model has been crowded out and the only way to get investment and compete is to juice short-term numbers at the expense of quality and thus long-term brand equity. the Japanese generally have/had it right, the ROW have it wrong, but it's sort of become the american way.
Shimano vs SRAM at the enthusiast level in the bike world is a good example. Shimano is terrible at product segmentation because they are too ethical to decontent their products. SRAM will sell literal shit to an OEM jsut to get the spec and the shit falls apart in 3-4 months. they usually keep the customer becuase the customer buys into the deceptive marketing hype at the higher end and is too lazy or ignorant to do actual research, and /or just wants what is considered cool. meanwhile shimano and their boring 6-year, hyperengineered product cycles is merely viewed as slow and old hat.
IOW custoemrs are to blame too, because they want better/faster/cheaper instead of a better engineered, less flashy, slightly less intuitive product that will actually serve them well with limited amounts of built-in planned obsolescence.
on the street side KTM is the epitome of this. flashy products with lots of attention grabbing features, that use questionable suppliers and leave customers stranded down the road. but theyre fun to ride when they do work and they always review really well in the magazines. also, ktm customers apparently dont mind paying $$$ to unlock software features already on the bike, so.
As true blueblooder, I used to stock about 90% Shimano to Sram in my shop. Sram is a marketing company that makes bike components, and Shimano is a bike Component maker that sometimes markets.
(oh and FFS Shimano just bring out some fresh Saint, it's been 14 years)
Feld and MX Sports talk to the teams weekly and would surely discuss the proposed changes with the team before doing anything and I think the teams would care less about how many press are standing there as long as the message gets out and you can be sure Feld will get the message out.
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I stopped taking SRAM seriously the 2nd time they released Gripshift.
FELD and ALL their regarded employees are the biggest detractors of the sport. They are literally trying to control the narrative of the reporting. They will 100% ruin the sport if they pull off this Nazi Germany BS.
It doesn't sound to me like they're trying to control the reporting, just trying to take control of the images and footage created while wearing a vest. Still awaiting for ML to reply to my question a page or two ago.
They've had that control, or at least the right to control, for at least ten years.
Maybe a decade ago one of the shooters contributed a photo to a charity auction and the SX promoter (maybe Live Nation then?) had it pulled.
But do they really? Matthes indicated on one of his shows that companies such as Alpinestars, or whoever it may be, purchases images from the photographers and ML said in this thread they’re worried about lost revenue. I’m curious what that revenue is, and if they’re selling images that actually belong to Feld per the credential agreement.
So Feld owns the right to a picture ML took bc he was at their event? Is that what you trying to argue?
Just because something is on paper doesn’t make it right.
The rough rules of the game when I shot were that if you are credentialed your work can be sold for editorial (mags) or for ads to companies involved in the sport. Everyone's interests were aligned. At one point there were restrictions how long images could be on a personal website, but I don't think that was rigorously enforced. Selling images outside that framework - say posters on Ebay - was a sure way to have your credential pulled.
The issue was less ownership and monetizing than it was control how the images were used. The promoters wanted the ability to address a "misuse" when it arose, not monitor every moment of activity. The economy of moto aligned editorial that promoted the sport and advertising that supported OEMS, aftermarket or other companies, and events sponsors investing money to participate in in the MX and SX series.
Apparently there are shifting dynamics in the economy of moto, probably from people freelancing stuff in social media. The sort of change ML described doesn't make a lot of sense to me in any event. They already control who gets a credential, and Feld isn't paying those people to go to the races. I'm not sure how it makes sense for Feld to start contracting and paying content producers for content that Feld will sell to media and sponsors for editorial and advertising. It's not about restricting those shooting from the floor - that restriction has existed for a long time.
When you take an image you have the copyright. You can transfer that copyright. The credential application specifies (at least it used to) that you relinquish your copyright as a condition of getting the application. They don't have to give someone a credential.
Michael, if you're around...
If you’re in to reading “Saving Capitalism” & “The Common Good” would probably interest you. They both speak directly to your comment.
These are the current existing media application conditions:
"All ownership, copyright and property rights in each SMX event (including, without limitation, the statistics thereof) and in any telecast, broadcast, transmission or recording thereof shall remain the sole property of the SMX League, and no such rights are conferred to or intended to be conferred to, or created on behalf of, Bearer or any other person or entity by the issuance of this credential."
"Media members approved for editorial assignments (which comprises most credentialed media) are ONLY permitted to provide coverage for their assignment on record and are not allowed to post on personal accounts if on assignment.
*Any applicants representing brands that are not partnered with the series will not be permitted. Rare exceptions may be made, but will require a thorough vetting process by series personnel for a potential one-off scenario."
https://promotocross.com/media-access
They seem to present ideals I'm already into so I'll give them a shot. Thanks!
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