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Get your shit together.
As the sanctioning body it is expected for you to make the hard decisions during the trying times. Everyone thought it would get better with Yogi helping and Jbone being a regular. How on earth can you be so back and forth with rulings and somehow, manage to always get it wrong?
From the blue flag issues, to the red light/cross flag debacle in Arlington, and now Deegans penalty.
Where is the standard?
-Hire a regular track crew and pay them it is a safety issue.
-Start listening to individuals who have raced before and understand true racing dynamics instead of the dumbest rule book ever assembled. You don't even listen to your own rules anyway
Mind Blown at the inept ability to do the easiest of tasks.
Help me understand what the AMA did wrong. Deegan clearly broke a rule and was punished, isn't that what we want? Would you prefer the AMA not apply a penalty in that situation?
The Ferry penalty is iffy but the Deegan one is pretty straightforward.
i think the problem is how harsh the penalty was and how inconsistent the ama has been this year. he cut one marker that was also a marker in the bounds of the track and also gained him no significant advantage. and gets the win removed? like sure you wanna take a couple points fine you wanna do a $1000 fine sure but they took a win when he was clearly by far the best rider on the track and i dont even like Deegan.... then you have 3-4 people clearly jump on the red cross flag a few weeks ago and the ama makes up a ridiculous excuse as to why there was no penalty. just think the ama repeatedly is doing nothing or are severely over punishing they need a standard and consistency in rulings
They’re only willing to enforce a penalty when it has little to no bearing on the title fight.
I think the biggest issue is the mishandling of the jumping on the Red Cross flag. How they did with Deegan, the rule is clear. He broke it. He gets penalized. Or like Jett jumping the gate last year. It sucks, it is a stupid penalty, he didn’t gain anything worthy of being penalized an entire lap. But hey that’s the rule as it’s written and he broke it. That’s how they should handle it. You break a rule, you get penalized. Black and white. No gray area or judgement calls. But yeah, like you said, the Red Cross thing throws out any consistency in their decision making.
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I agree the AMA has had a rough year with inconsistencies, so I'm not going to knock them when they get one right. It sounds harsh to take away a well-earned win, but if you look at the violation and the penalty objectively a one position penalty for cutting the track doesn't sound overly harsh.
"i think the problem is how harsh the penalty was"
I think this is no problem at all
Yeah without context, no nuance, not understanding the intent of the rule, ignoring the spirit of the rule. Then yeah the penalty “objectively” fit the punishment for the violation of the rule.
Chad Reed's comment about Outdoors will be interesting as ALL the riders run over the same track markers, Are they going to start docking every rider who goes over, around or thru a track marker? Riders have been told for years those are to be followed but once in a while some would get monetary fines for cutting. Now Deegan cuts across one and loses a race????
id be interested to know if the cutting the split lane markers was discussed in the riders meeting, as Deegs was not the only rider to get penalised for it,
as for using ex riders, Yogi is very experienced,
I am pointing out how inconsistent they are. I merely mentioned this years fumbling thus far. Tie in little ole Ferry for doing what every single racer in the history of the sport has done in a LCQ to make the main and again, the AMA can not be trusted to make the right decision. In the past is the same story, and like Reed mentioned. I am all for them holding the line on Deegan. Just be consistent with the rule calling and penalties. The track marker basically opened a can of worms due to outdoors and the cheeky lines a lot of the guys take. So if they are cracking down I am all for it. But the timing is certainly conspicuous. Nothing was on the line other than a few points for East.
You take a WIN away for that really? they could have docked his points, he didn't gained an advantage.
A rule is a rule. Hayden knew what the rules were, I think.
He may have been riding over his head that lap which resulted in running into the divisional marking on the track. Back it down some and and he doesn't hit it.
Ferrys penalty, how many times has Hayden made this same move and never received a penalty?
It is all about consistency.
Yes Hayden was the fastest guy on the track.
Let them keep being in charge of soundcheck. The guy telling the 30 second girl to run. And the guy who walks in front of the gate drop. Seems about all they are good for. The AMA was dead 30 years ago.
Even how they do soundcheck isn’t repeatable or reliable and is generally a waste.
Team circumvent sound check anyway by dumbing or retarding the ignition when the bike is in neutral. Listen to the bike on sound check, then listen to the same bike in the air when they are revving it to the moon. My buddy bought a left over Star bike a few years back when they first started selling them after the years end. They forgot the bottom end of the bike was still the factory version and that is how we found out.
According to Weege on the broadcast, he said it was specifically talked about at the riders meeting.
Whether or not he gained an advantage is irrelevant, and yes I'm okay with loss of one position for cutting the track.
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I rewatched the “track cutting” several times. HD came into the turn from the outside of the track markers, opening up the entrance wider than the marked track, and he carried a lot of momentum into the turn. IMO, he absolutely gained advantage.
I’ve also seen a lot of other riders gain advantage by shady lines who didn’t get penalties, so the inconsistent enforcement thing is totally valid. But just because the cop doesn’t write everyone a ticket, doesn’t mean you can’t get one..
They’ve typically steered away from position penalties and gone with points recently. Yogi or jbone even said they’d rather go with points penalties than positions. I think probably cause it easier for the fans to understand. I still think Deegan won that race, the fact that Davies ‘won’ it will be an asterisk and SX trivia question in 20 years.
I honestly feel like the only reason Ferry got a penalty was because he took out a title contender. There is no other justification for a penalty there. The fact that he got the same penalty as Deegan did for his shenanigans with Shimoda last year is ridiculous.
"took out a star rider"... there, fixed it for ya
I mean, the penalty they gave Deegan was pretty harsh, but I guess you could argue that actually benefitted Star Racing as well.
Exactly, I can't believe JT and other saying he didn't gain an advantage. Just because no one was around him, doesn't mean he didn't gained something. Did it change the race outcome? No. But you can't have riders leading with 10 sec start stretching the rules to reduce risk or gain an advantage here and there either.
He wasn't pushed by another rider. It was apparently talked about at riders meeting. If they didn't do it, the other teams would be on AMA for that. If Haiden gets hurt with 2 races to go, that could be the difference.
Position is more fair, since it takes into account where you are. 1 point penalty for taking an advantage that gives you the race win would have to be 4-5 points to neutralize something gained + a penalty. But then 4-5 points for using same advantage to gain a 6th from a 7th is very harsch. That's 4-5 positions.
So you’re saying you are ok with a 50/50 chance they will make the right call?
I love it that you’re back to “they Supposively talked about it at the riders meeting” excuse!
I was just responding to your post which made no mention of Ferry only Deegan
Who knew hitting a marker was a greater sin than jumping on a Red Cross flag? Glad safety is priority.
On the contrary, they’ve made several (bad) calls that have impacted the points lead.
JT likely interprets that the rule requires a net advantage, not a theoretical one. What did Deegan actually gain?
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