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You are obviously right, but maybe the red cross flag incident resulted in them being more strict now? Seems like both Ferry and Deegan didn't deserve a penalty like that honestly, but maybe they're enforcing rules more strict than ever now and it will continue like that? Obviously that whole "licensed penalty point" system didn't work out, wouldn't be surprised if they'd get rid of it again.
Thanks for the tip coach….I’m pretty sure the pros are lining up for your expert advice….
Nobody is beating a healthy Jett. At some point these injuries are going to hamper his development though. Remember the dude is only 22 and we haven't even seen his peak yet, IMO
I don't know. It sure seems like Hunter now has the ability to take it to Jet. I am so impressed with Hunters racing. What's also cool is they both seem to be good people, at least from the outside looking in.
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Bob Hannah had more class than Deegan but still did a lot of the same things as Deegan on and off the track. Deegan has certainly picked up speed in Supercross, he is obviously the fastest 250 Supercross rider in the world. It will be interesting to see how his speed translates on the 450.
Bob Hannah was 100% self made, Hayden Deegan is 100% nepobaby. It’s a foundational difference.
Motocross isn’t a poor man’s sport and majority of the dudes lining up every weekend came from money. Then of course there’s a hundred thousand guys you don’t see on TV who also came from money and didn’t make it to the big show. Money doesn’t substitute natural ability and hard work. If you want to convince yourself otherwise coping because you’re a talentless nobody go ahead.
Because when you go to Loretta's there are not 60 250k RV's and kids with 30k Super Minis. Name someone in the last decade who did not spend a crap ton of money to race. And a big difference between 1977 and 2026. Pretty sure plenty of rich kids do not make it and Money can't buy speed.
I agree. If money could buy speed, Deegan’s brother Hudson would be racing pro and not living like Billy Madison
Too young to remember RC or JS7, ha.
I mean, feel free to make it a mature debate if you want, rather than just adding more drive-by snark. How old are you again?
It's interesting to contrast Jett's now-reference riding style with deegs or even tomac. this coming from someone who's favorite rider of all time is RV2, but I still don't know how that style translates and topples Jett in the long run. You tell me though, what does deegan's approach facilitate better than Jett's?
Money can’t buy speed, but it 100% can develop potential to it fullest. HD is a great example of fantastic potential, and the budget to develop it. He’s absolutely brilliant on the bike. He has had world class support from the beginning, and he’s made it work really well.
Bob Hannah is a great example of a self made man, with fantastic potential that developed by his own drive and hard work. I don’t think he had the technique of HD, but his drive to win was incredible.
Just my opinion, and I’ll express it without shit talking anyone else, I have a lot more respect for Bob. No hate, just an opinion.
We've literally watched Deegan's skills progress.
Like, in real time. Documented on YT and in race results.
He always had raw speed. He added pretty impeccable technique. He then started riding over that technique due to his aggressiveness - also has that - which led to inconsistency. Within a season he corrected that, found a balance, and consistency became a strong suit.
Fitness is beyond elite. Race craft is advanced for his age. He just spent a month training outdoors on a 450, then came back and schooled the class on a 250 SX - adaptability is obviously on point.
You'll see a habit, like the look backs. When it becomes a problem, you can actually see him retrain that habit.
I don't know. I mean, there's not "greatest of all time" conversation needed at the dawn of his career, but it's hard to ignore his trajectory as a rider.
Literally huh. Progression isnt exclusive to deegan. I've never been critical of his trajectory, just the ceiling, the core of his teen angst is still there.
Hard to progress sitting on the couch
I'm by no means a Deegan fan, and I've been critical of his SX abilities, but damn. Maybe he will be threat indoors when he moves up. That was impressive.
That he's not as crash prone as he looks is impressive I'll give him that. Guys like swoll (and pierce) get shook by a "depression in the rhythm" wtf
You are sweating. And you should be. Jett hasn’t face anyone like Deegan yet. He’s faced older champions that are well past their prime, and Chase who’s a choke artist. He won’t have the age advantage anymore.
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Hold on, according to this forum in 2023 and 2024, the old guys had the age advantage against Jett. More experienced or whatever. So Jett has an age advantage on Deegs. I expect most will reverse course on this thought soon enough
I remember watching RC and if RC is GOAT and Jeremy is king and James is the fastest…, ? Deegan is the fastest GOAT King of all time!
Pretty sure I’m older than you, your dislike for Deegan clouds your opinion…I’m sure you have noticed that he really doesn’t crash much, his race craft is better than anybody in the class by a lot, He’s no more aggressive on the bike than Eli is….As we have experienced Jett’s riding style hasn’t kept him off the ground and free from injury at all. I think it’s possible that when Deegan is on a 450 you will notice more similarities between him and Eli, he’ll be fine. As it is right now he makes fewer mistakes than his competitors do, by a lot….At this point in time his riding is equal to or better than Jett was in the 250’s…I don’t believe that one style is better than the other, they look very different but if you watch closely they both do a lot of the same things on the bike in how they dissect their lines and do things that no one else is doing. In Birmingham Deegan was able to hit an inside line prior to a rhythm section that nobody else was able to do, in either class, it’s where he made a majority of his passes. Another advantage he has is his corner speed, there isn’t anybody close to him in either class (JCoop maybe). When you say that he is going to max out riding like he does and get hurt is a statement by someone that hasn’t been paying attention to how quickly he adapts and corrects his riding and the changes he has made to dominate the way he is. He is able to make those changes by discipline and hard work, nobody is out working him at this point in the 250s and it will continue in the 450s so you might want to get used to it…
Purely from an athletic/fitness perspective, I believe Deegs has better endurance than Jett. I think Deegs has the best endurance I’ve seen since RC and his might be even better than RC’s. His finishing speed is unreal. It takes years to make even slight gains to the body’s natural endurance limits at the elite level. It’s a very painful process. I think it’s the most under talked about and undervalued aspect to this sport. These guys are essentially distance runners. And Deegs has what is called a “finishing kick” in running. I do think Jett had (past tense) a technique advantage, and a pace advantage, but I don’t believe he does anymore. Deegs has become a technician. Jett still firmly has the starts advantage, and he may end up desperately needing that. Also, I think Deegs is mentally crazier than Jett and is willing to push the envelope further to win, similar to RC and RV, and I could see him pushing Jett to ride a lot less smooth. The only times I’ve seen Jett crack are when he’s pushed to break out of that super smooth style. He really doesn’t like to ride wild. Deegs will exploit that and make it ugly without a doubt, he’s ruthless like that. It’s going to be a very fun next decade of racing. That’s for sure. Can’t wait.
I like how you wrote that. Nice job.
You do not become a rider like Hayden Deegan with his raw speed, fitness, and determination merely by being born into money. Actually it usually translates the other way around. Like him or hate him the kid is damn fast and has "it", I just wish he had the class of Tomac, Hunter, Jet, etc.
Deegan on another level. Dominating ride. Bring on the 450.
There is absolutely no logical reason to think he won’t be anything but elite on a 450. He has reached a level of dominance in the 250 class that only a select few have ever achieved. I’m not saying he’s going to come out and beat Jett right away or anything, but he is going to be fast as hell.
I’m a bit of a hater on the whole Deegan experience and would honestly love to see someone take it to him, but anyone who thinks he won’t be an immediate threat to win in the 450 class needs to put the crack pipe down. Jett or no Jett, Haiden will win SX races next year. I was there last night and spent a lot of time watching Haiden. There is nobody in either class that is carrying even close to as much speed through the corners. Davies was putting time on Haiden through the whoops every lap, but Deegan was so much faster everywhere else that he was still pulling away even after Cole was a whole straightaway behind him. His fastest times were faster than anyone in the 450 class all night (qualifying, heat, and main). He looks so strong on the bike that I have no doubt that he’ll be able to carry that speed into the 450s. Truly impressive stuff.
All I know 450 outdoors Deegs is going to be a problem. Stamp it!!!
The kid is supremely entertaining on-track.
& .. seems he's continuing to improve. He'll assuredly be a force to be reckoned with.
Said it before ; I hope for many 10th place starts from H.D.
Was surprised how quickly Davies fell off. I wonder if he got a memo.
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