Watts Perfections scammer

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Chad did two motors and some other stuff for me over the course of 3-4 years about 10ish years ago when he was still in the shop he built in Shelby, NC.  I had zero problems with him or his work at that time.  Not making excuses for him but I know he went through a divorce shortly after my dealings with him.  Hope all involved can get everything worked out and hope the OP’s friend kicks the shit out of cancer.

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2/20/2026 5:24am
mb60 wrote:
Did he not do the bike for Ryan Hughes at the Ranch 86 cr 250 ? Man that sucks for sure because always heard he does...

Did he not do the bike for Ryan Hughes at the Ranch 86 cr 250 ? Man that sucks for sure because always heard he does great work. Seems like the engine builders are as bad as Helmet painters.

I sent my helmet to a very well known So Cal painter who does lots of work for energy drink companies.  14 years later, I still haven’t received it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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2/20/2026 11:36am
3strokemx wrote:
Just seems weird, that's not usually how businesses operate.  If his buddy didn't have enough energy to make a phone call, how would buddy be able...

Just seems weird, that's not usually how businesses operate.  

If his buddy didn't have enough energy to make a phone call, how would buddy be able to get to the mailbox to see if there is a refund check?

   ML, just kick this cunt outta here. First rate douche.

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2/20/2026 11:43am Edited Date/Time 2/20/2026 11:44am

   ML, just kick this cunt outta here. First rate douche.

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You might want to clean up your post before you call on the boss to start removing people 🤣

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2/20/2026 11:45am
3strokemx wrote:
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You might want to clean up your post before you call on the boss to start removing people 🤣

      Yer still a cunt, AND a first rate douche !

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3strokemx wrote:
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You might want to clean up your post before you call on the boss to start removing people 🤣

      Yer still a cunt, AND a first rate douche !

Why do you think that?  Did I hurt your feelings somehow?

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2/20/2026 12:11pm
3strokemx wrote:
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You might want to clean up your post before you call on the boss to start removing people 🤣

      Yer still a cunt, AND a first rate douche !

3strokemx wrote:

Why do you think that?  Did I hurt your feelings somehow?

you're either a moran or a troll , either way you add nothing to any conversation except chaos 

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      Yer still a cunt, AND a first rate douche !

3strokemx wrote:

Why do you think that?  Did I hurt your feelings somehow?

you're either a moran or a troll , either way you add nothing to any conversation except chaos 

If a person asking questions to clarify a story causes you anguish, perhaps a public forum isn't the best place for you.  

There are plenty of other places you can be fed news and information without the effort of thinking.

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MX business world has some of the biggest flakes and excuse makers around.There should be a caveat emptor sticky.But then there would ruffled feathers due to...

MX business world has some of the biggest flakes and excuse makers around.There should be a caveat emptor sticky.But then there would ruffled feathers due to the secrecy and good ol’ boy nature of it all.

It's not just the MX Business.  "Custom" work in cars, moto, or really anything creative.  It seems the people who have the ability to "create" tend to be terrible at business and effective communication. They need someone doing that for them. It works the other way too......Generally more business or leadership minded people are not creative or mechanical.  It makes the world go around so to speak.   I am in no way making excuses for Chad, just speaking from personal experience in many different aspects.  

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2/20/2026 2:51pm
3strokemx wrote:
Just seems weird, that's not usually how businesses operate.  If his buddy didn't have enough energy to make a phone call, how would buddy be able...

Just seems weird, that's not usually how businesses operate.  

If his buddy didn't have enough energy to make a phone call, how would buddy be able to get to the mailbox to see if there is a refund check?

GrapeApe wrote:

Somehow you're hung up on the most insignificant part of the story

3strokemx wrote:
I'd say the cancer is the most insignificant part of the story. It puts extra sting on it, but if buddy was healthy would it change...

I'd say the cancer is the most insignificant part of the story. It puts extra sting on it, but if buddy was healthy would it change the situation?

Holy shit man, you must be a miserable person.

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Holy shit man, you must be a miserable person.

Does Chad Watts not need to refund the money if buddy is healthy?

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Im not sure if its worth it to you, but get that engine back if you can. Those things are so hard to find now. Big collectors items.

Also, big red flag at 10k. As a quad guy myself, ive had 4 stroke Suzuki and Can-am engines fully, built, with some hand me down factory parts for about 6k. (I was tight with a factory supported satellite team) 10k?! That's just price gouging.

I understand if you guys are just over it, but if you can, get that thing back in your possession. If you get it back, let me know and ill point you guys in the right direction.

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He should do a deal for $338 and start doing Helmets. 

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The reason I'm involved is I vouched for Chad. I set up what my buddy wanted and talked him into doing it. This is not about...

The reason I'm involved is I vouched for Chad. I set up what my buddy wanted and talked him into doing it. This is not about money. We both do very well. Its about treating people honestly. I just wanted to know if this was a isolated incident or a pattern.... Ill be at Daytona in Presidents row. I usually sit near RCs mom. Maybe I'll ask her what's up with chad.... Ill wear a Porsche hat. if anybody on the forum sees me, say hi. 

Please do NOT let him keep that motor.

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3strokemx wrote:

Why do you think that?  Did I hurt your feelings somehow?

you're either a moran or a troll , either way you add nothing to any conversation except chaos 

3strokemx wrote:
If a person asking questions to clarify a story causes you anguish, perhaps a public forum isn't the best place for you.  There are plenty of...

If a person asking questions to clarify a story causes you anguish, perhaps a public forum isn't the best place for you.  

There are plenty of other places you can be fed news and information without the effort of thinking.

You must lead a very miserable life. Imagine coming on a forum to just call it “weird” for a guy to help his buddy out who has cancer. 

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3strokemx wrote:
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You might want to clean up your post before you call on the boss to start removing people 🤣

      Yer still a cunt, AND a first rate douche !

Outrageous that so many people would vote thumbs up to someone going against our community standards. I don’t feel safe. 

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3strokemx wrote:
Just seems weird, that's not usually how businesses operate.  If his buddy didn't have enough energy to make a phone call, how would buddy be able...

Just seems weird, that's not usually how businesses operate.  

If his buddy didn't have enough energy to make a phone call, how would buddy be able to get to the mailbox to see if there is a refund check?

Idiot of the week

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If you want to troll around every now and then fine, have your fun and get your laughs, but maybe pick a better thread than one where a guy is trying to help out a buddy with cancer.  

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2/20/2026 9:34pm
3strokemx wrote:
Just seems weird, that's not usually how businesses operate.  If his buddy didn't have enough energy to make a phone call, how would buddy be able...

Just seems weird, that's not usually how businesses operate.  

If his buddy didn't have enough energy to make a phone call, how would buddy be able to get to the mailbox to see if there is a refund check?

Joey98 wrote:

Idiot of the week

I'll try harder next week! 🙃

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2/20/2026 10:24pm
3strokemx wrote:
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You might want to clean up your post before you call on the boss to start removing people 🤣

      Yer still a cunt, AND a first rate douche !

Hey now, take it easy... He's had 3 strokes.

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2/20/2026 11:02pm
Madkiwi wrote:
What kind of absolute filthy a-hole downvotes a post about a guy with cancer being ripped off for $5k?You need to take a look in the...

What kind of absolute filthy a-hole downvotes a post about a guy with cancer being ripped off for $5k?

You need to take a look in the mirror and have a real hard think on life!!!

Probably the same guy that down voted your post. I don't get it. I guess it's one of the only times they can bring themselves up by trying to bring other people down. And let's be honest, the same person that gave that down vote is going to give this post a down vote too.  Lol

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2/21/2026 3:20am
El_Rayo wrote:
You must lead a very miserable life. Imagine coming on a forum to just call it “weird” for a guy to help his buddy out who...

You must lead a very miserable life. Imagine coming on a forum to just call it “weird” for a guy to help his buddy out who has cancer. 

You're really hung up on the cancer part of the story.  Did Chad Watts give buddy the cancer?

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Joey98 wrote:

Idiot of the week

You've obviously never worked at a bike shop and had a wife/gf call to cancel their man's purchase.  It's pretty weird. 

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It's a shame for Chad. He's obviously not in a good place and hasn't been for awhile it seems.

Everyone has struggles, hopefully Chad can get on top of it and do what's right, I'm sure it wasn't intentional but sometimes life throws you some wild ones 

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2/21/2026 5:12am

Probably a classic case of a business robbing peter to pay paul on the more expensive builds. happens often in businesses like this. I would also be pushing to get the engine back. There should be a ton of legit 250R builders out there.

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BAREIN wrote:
Probably a classic case of a business robbing peter to pay paul on the more expensive builds. happens often in businesses like this. I would also...

Probably a classic case of a business robbing peter to pay paul on the more expensive builds. happens often in businesses like this. I would also be pushing to get the engine back. There should be a ton of legit 250R builders out there.

True but, cases that haven't had a chain thrown into them are damn near impossible to find. If it was a junker maybe, but if it was a nice one, I'd be furious!

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2/21/2026 6:31am
El_Rayo wrote:
You must lead a very miserable life. Imagine coming on a forum to just call it “weird” for a guy to help his buddy out who...

You must lead a very miserable life. Imagine coming on a forum to just call it “weird” for a guy to help his buddy out who has cancer. 

3strokemx wrote:

You're really hung up on the cancer part of the story.  Did Chad Watts give buddy the cancer?

Empathy, ever heard of it Mr critical thinker?
 

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2/21/2026 6:33am
JM485 wrote:
If you want to troll around every now and then fine, have your fun and get your laughs, but maybe pick a better thread than one...

If you want to troll around every now and then fine, have your fun and get your laughs, but maybe pick a better thread than one where a guy is trying to help out a buddy with cancer.  

Where am I trolling?   I pointed out a relevant detail in the story and the goon squad showed up lobbing insults.   Notice how none of insulters care to have a discussion?  

Isn't that what you all call snowflakes? People that get offended and cry rather than have a conversation?.

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Empathy, ever heard of it Mr critical thinker?
 

What did I say that was lacking empathy?  I'm concerned you're reading words that I didn't type.

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