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So now it's being reported the guy that got shot, just the week before got in a physical kerfuffle with ICE agents at another location and got a broken rib out of it.
Going to start calling him a career agitator if this turns out to be true.
TM
I guess since CNN reported it, the lefties will not dispute the career agitator label. Also, now being reported the shots came from 2 different agents.
What if he was just filming like the day he was shot? I have more of an inkling that is what happened since we saw how he acted with ICE when he was shot and the egregious behavior ICE exhibited. Alas, we dont have video of the first encounter. I will say that just filming (first amendment) and helping a lady up after being shoved by ICE agents isnt a crime.
Even if ICE was 100% in the wrong and roughed him up for doing totally legitimate things on the first encounter, what would that say about his mindset if he came back for more a week later but this time brought his "combat" pistol with him?
How this guy ended up being a victim here isn't nearly as complicated or random as some are wanting it to be.
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If its the adticle thats linked a page or 3 back. He saw ice chasing somebody while he was driving by and got out and staryed to blow a whistle. An ICE agent takled him . The un named source also said that Pretti claimed to have a broken rib and said he felt like he was dieing so they let him go.
Its too bad ICE just dosnt wear bodycams so they could just show people what happened. Instead we get info like that. I jave no idea who the source was. The story dosnt make ICE sound great either. But there have already been lies put out by Cristy nome so its hard for me to believe a single source without any proof that goes beyond the word of a single person.
It may be true or not. For me I am unsure how much weight I put in that article . I have no proof its not right and I would hope they veted the story to find out how credible it was. Still every news channel played nomes press confrance she did and it was not exactly what the videos showed.
He has a conceal carry permit. It's the 2nd amendment. It isn't illegal. And, how do we know he didn't have his pistol during the first encounter?
It became illegal the instant he interfered, resisted, blocked traffic, showed up without his permit, etc. He wasn't carrying legally when he was shot. He just wasn't. Sorry, those are the laws the libs wanted, I didn't come up with them.
2A absolutist here, sorry, you don't get to claim it now when it's convenient after you put all these shit laws into place. If you'd like to do away with all of these 2A qualifiers, I'm here for it!
Full transparency, I carry illegally all the time. Calculated risk. If you don't have metal detectors...... However unlike Pretti, that means I sprint in the opposite direction of conflict, I don't walk into it. You'll never know it's there unless I have to use it.
Watching other people have their rights violated and not stepping up to stop it is the hill you're willing to die on, have fun. You're lucky generations of Americans stood up for others and made this country a place you can feel safe hiding your head in the sand. I've seen cops yelling at a guy sitting on a curb in hand cuffs and verbally intervened. It was obvious they were trying to escalate the situation to justify beating him. I was warned that I was interfering and told to stay back, but they chilled out and no one was beaten or shot. I've also had cops pull another cop out of my face and told him to leave because he was way out of line, some really don't like you knowing your rights. I was charged a felony for destruction of government property, I was poor and had no lawyer, but challenged it because there was no way in hell that I caused the $1,000.00 they said I did. An investigation ensued and found I had caused a total of $35.00 in damage. The cops pushed lies and the tried to punish me for being a pain in their ass, I was willing to go down to prove my innocence. It still cost me several hundred dollars and a year of probation, but that's who I am, I push the limit because it's what Americans do when someone in power starts trying to abuse it. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, I'm just an American who's sick of government lies. After all the evidence that's came out to refute the lies being pushed by the federal government I'm shocked some of you are still arguing about this. The douche at large lost his job over this and more heads are going to roll.
At this point why even care? The usa is the most corrupt and dangerous country on the planet. The world is laughing at this administration.. Fun to watch..
He did interfere. That instigated the response. The cause & effect are becoming pretty well defined…
About cause…
From the Daily Mail…today:
Alex Pretti had been injured in a scuffle with federal agents in Minneapolis just one week before he was shot dead, it has emerged.
Pretti, 37, was left with a broken rib after being tackled by a group of officers during a protest against Donald Trump's immigration crackdown, a source told CNN.
The alleged assault occurred after Pretti stopped his car after seeing Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers chasing a family on foot, the insider said.
Then, as I’ve refereed to and as we know…
He showed up a week later…ARMED…and interfered PLAIN AS DAY & ON CAMERA…AGAIN…ARMED…
And -AGAIN- he got taken down FOR INTERFERING WTH A FEDERAL ARREST OPERATION…&…on camera…SHOVING A FEDERAL OFFICER…Kev, that’s called “Assaulting an Officer”…just to restate the obvious…
Again…
He does the very same shit…a week later…and now…? He’s got a gun.
Interfering
Instigating
Taken-down and clearly RESISITING…with a fucking gun…
And it evolves into an absolute clusterfuck. It’s clear, to me, he brought this shit on himself by injecting himself via aggression towards a FEDERAL OFFICER.
All the while, this doesn’t “justify” his death. Never said it. Never implied it. All I’ve ever said is the end result is tragic and fucking sad.
While we’re here, you telling me I’m justifying this man’s death is weak. It earns you a “go fuck yourself” based on basic man law. We’ve been here, before. You still don’t get it.
Cause & Effect. Period.
Here…
Cause and effect refers to the relationship between an action (the cause) and its result (the effect). It explains how one event leads to another, illustrating the direct consequences of actions or events.
With respect,
Manny
Well, if you want to play the what if game. What if, and I think it's more likely than your what if. He got banged up the previous week and decided this week he'll bring his weapon and if that happens again he'll pull his weapon and "suicide by cop" to get famous and it went exactly as he planned only he didn't have to pull his weapon. You see, there's a lot of what if(s).
TM
Clearly putting himself in the line of danger again was not a wise move as he is now dead. He did not appear to be breaking the law, and from what I saw was getting pistol whipped while on the ground seemingly not resisting.
I don't know enough about the moral character of this victim to comment on whether he was acting in good faith or just a disgruntled agitator, but from what I saw moments before his death he appeared to be trying to help a lady that just got pepper sprayed by ICE Agents (Apparently paid agitators in current trim).
Statistically, most of the dangerous members of our local communities are domestically born, legal citizens. The vast majority of school shooters are white kids.
Stoking the fire will continue to escalate the division and tensions amongst citizens, netting more unruly dogs. In doing so, we will all experience the scope creep of this whole charade, and as time goes on it might start feeling a little closer to home.
A short excerpt from a study
A recent study of 150 years of American incarceration data, from 1870 to 2020, found that immigrant men were far less likely to be sent to prison than men born in the U.S. Since 1990, the number of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. has roughly tripled—yet the homicide rate has fallen by almost 50 percent. A 2020 study published in the journal PNAS compared the crime rates of undocumented immigrants in Texas with the crime rates of U.S.-born citizens there. “Relative to undocumented immigrants,” the study found, U.S.-born citizens “are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes.”
https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w31440/w31440.pdf
An ice source claimed ….. was it Bovine, Noem or Homan?
Such a trustworthy source.
However, we saw his actual demeanor and actions in the second confrontation that lead credence to more of my 'what ifs' than your 'what ifs.' If your what ifs is anywhere plausible, we would have seen him actually pull his gun out. All he did was get maced/filmed and tried to help a lady up. Yours is increasingly less likely based on the available evidence.
I think your expectation is a little too high if you want real analysis on this forum.
He didn't resist. He helped a lady up who was shoved for no reason and then got maced, tackled, and shot for it. How wasn't he carrying legally when he was shot?
It sounds like you're being a murder apologist for ICE. No one knew his gun was there until they, for no reason, threw him to the ground.
Notification popped up and I apparently don’t have the ability to not get sucked back in when I see some dumb shit.
Some of you believe a guy a week out from a broken rib woke up and decided “let’s strap up and go down to agitate LEOs? You believe he is directing traffic with one hand and filming with another, with zero hesitation? You believe he’s reacting instantly to a help a woman with zero sign of pain or distress? You believe he’s taken down by a crowd of less than gentle people and not crying out in pain once?
You are welcome to your beliefs, but that’s some dumb shit.
Pit Row
Some can attack federal law enforcers, get a pardon and return to society to rape children, murder... Others help a older woman who gets roughly arrested and end up getting killed. Always nice to see who's supporting what...
Oh I can assure you of one thing. No-one is laughing. At all. Not with three more years left on the clock.
You totally missed the point. The point is you keep trying to make this guy into some sort of saint that has zero responsibility here. It's just as easy to throw out a scenario where he has all the responsibility. Most likely, it's something in-between. Like I've been saying all along. The events of the day led to a tragedy that nobody wanted to happen. Those agitators are there for one reason. To disrupt ICE's ability to do their job to the point they are not successful. They disrupted the operation to the point that created the situation where someone got killed. It's a terrible tragedy. If they weren't there agitating, that career agitator would be alive today.
TM
Well I disagree about the interfering and resisting but I suppose that's up for debate. What isn't up for debate is Minnesota carry law. It says you have to have permit with you at all times to carry lawfully. It's been reported that he didn't. So not carrying lawfully. Petty for sure, but it certainly wasn't conservatives who got that written into law. That would be one of those gun laws liberals use to make it more difficult for people to carry legally so they can infringe on the right. You don't get to ignore it now when it messes up your martyr story. The officers knowledge of the gun or his permit has nothing to do with whether or not he was carrying legally.
Dude, Not. Cool.
We don’t talk about that, it goes against their narrative and makes them look like hypocrites.
Based on the totality of your posts on the subject, yes.
so you admit on a public forum that you break this law willingly yet are saying Pretti deserved to be murdered for breaking it. the irony really is something else. at least you're getting continually ratioed pretty well in this thread.
also, ICE (the actual paid agitators) did not know any of this before murdering him so it's not relevant in the slightest.
So if it's OK to throw water bottles and sandwiches at ICE agents, should the agitator that sprayed piss (just my guess what the liquid was) on Ilhan Omar be set free? He did it peacefully, was backing away after so he posed no danger (per the lefty description of danger level). I say lock his ass up. Will the lefties be consistent and say what he did was OK, just peaceful protest?
TM
Yes I carry illegally all the time. Unlike Pretti I avoid conflict at all costs when carrying, legally or illegally. See the difference?
I do not care that he was carrying illegally, I care that he put himself and others in danger while doing so. Carrying stupidly is the part that bothers me.
I do not care that he was carrying illegally, but since I'm subjected to petty laws put in place by gun haters, I'm not about to let those same people insist this guy was carrying legally when he wasn't.
Ratio away!
You need to read the latest DHS report before further posting...
That's a lot of words to mentally dance around the fact that he was tackled to the ground before they knew he was carrying a weapon. The weapon was removed. He was still on the ground and it doesn't appear in any videos that they even considered bothering to see if he was lawful in carrying that weapon like you seem so concerned about by stating the apparent carry law for that state. Instead he was fired at and killed while on the ground.
You don't go and harass police/law enforcement. That's asking for trouble. I agree with you above, it's debatable whether he was resisting and tackling him was required in the first place until we get to see the ICE body cameras and what the deceased was filming on his phone.
But the point many of us can't understand is how so many people on here are happy to accept exactly what we saw as okay. Someone gets shots multiple times and killed when they had just been unarmed and hadn't even been able to take their feet.
At no point have I said any of it was OK. People keep reading things into what I'm saying instead of reading what I'm saying.
Once they determined he was interfering there was no possibility for it to be legal carry at that point. A permit wouldn't have changed that. The presence of the gun and the interfering equates to unlawful carry. The lack of a permit just means it was also unlawful carry prior to that.
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