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Probably trying to not step on Barcia
I think this shows that the first medic who came out didn’t even see Barcia. The other riders, bikes and track worker were blocking the view.
Like someone said above, the medic doesn’t leave the patient. I saw a friend break their wrist once and nearly bleed out from it.
Great idea, a standardized/mandatory location for the kill switch and kill switch type should definitely be implemented after tonight
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If he's got a broken neck or back you can limit damage to cord and nerves by bringing the spine back into alignment and relieving pressure.
Also, If he's out cold with chin tucked like that it's not a bad idea to open their airway a little so they don't get all hypoxic and lose a pulse or make any brain injury worse.
Just checking a pulse is also not a bad idea.....
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Reading this thread back to back with the zinggg lawsuit thread is gonna give me an aneurysm.
I did watch the video along with other videos not in here before even opening this thread. Some of you are getting your panties in a bunch thinking or implying that I said something I didn’t. I said nobody in here knows what was being said down there. Is that wrong? Before making an extreme judgment such as gross negligence, you need all of the information.
I get that, but where were all the other medics and track workers? Someone should have at least been standing there waving their arms for attention/help like you see with most other similar situations.
You can definitely leave a patient to go triage another. This is basic stuff.
Did that look like a seizure to you?
45 seconds is an eternity for a rider to be lying totally unattended on the track.
It's definitely gross
Doubt it was epileptic seizure. Probably concussive convulsions. Involuntary jerking motions but different cause kind of. Doubt those were purposeful movements but hard to tell. Either way not great. The relative lack of movement in his lower extremities bothers me much more than the movement in his upper extremities though.
You can believe in one hand and shit in the other but if I was a betting man more people would go with the shit than anything you believe in. Shouldn’t you be greeting people than on your phone?
I was actually raging while in the shower about this shit show. So disturbing that this is the “standard”.
Wow, you really are triggered by my comment of you not knowing what was said down there.
100% agree. Most people are posting with emotion because it looked bad without a clue of what would actually happen with a different response time.
It took 18 seconds to get to Mookie and approximately 50 seconds to get to Barcia when you time stamp the exact moment of the crash and when a medical professional makes contact with each rider. It would be a hard time arguing gross negligence with that response time in court.
What radio channels do they operate on? Do the flagger personnel have a different channel than ems? When the riders went down who radios it in and how long did it take to radio in the location of the crash then get that transmission to ems personnel? How many ems personnel are on the floor and what were their locations during the crash? How many are on the infield of the track vs outfield? What’s the role of ems personnel as far as Anaheim Fire medics vs asterisk medical crew?
With all that being asked and all that transpired. 10-50 seconds seems reasonable. But what if they were there in 2 seconds? What outcomes would be different? Probably nothing. Gross negligence has no standing here given the circumstances and scene.
Here's some AI on the matter:
It’s absolutely possible to have a TBI (traumatic brain injury) where someone is knocked out and their body convulses, and not end up paralyzed.
Why that can happen
Paralysis usually happens when there’s damage to:
the spinal cord (neck/back injury), or
certain parts of the brain controlling movement
But in many TBIs:
the injury affects consciousness and electrical brain activity (causing a seizure/convulsions),
without damaging the spinal cord or motor pathways enough to cause permanent paralysis.
What “convulsing” could mean after a head injury
If someone is knocked out and convulsing, it can be:
a post-traumatic seizure
a concussive convulsion (can happen immediately after impact, even without epilepsy)
less commonly: severe brain bleeding/swelling
or a combination with oxygen deprivation
Important: convulsing after head trauma is an emergency
Even if they later wake up and can move normally, convulsions + loss of consciousness after a head hit = ER now (or call 911), because it can signal:
brain bleed (epidural/subdural hematoma)
skull fracture
swelling/increased intracranial pressure
How do you know he was unresponsive or having a seizure and where’d you get your degree? Nobody has said he was unresponsive. The report is that he was conscious and talking when they took him away. Nobody has said what was happening on the ground.
In the handful of seizures I’ve witnessed, the jerking/shaking is much more rapid than what we saw here from Justin.
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For what it's worth, because I feel we all want to hear some good news about Barcia. I just went on instagram and mxa's update states he "can feel and move all limbs."
Yep. Ex-military police here.
If there are multiple casualties on a scene, we were trained to assess each one rapidly, then attend to the most critically injured first, using our best judgment.
Gross negligence is very much an overstatement but I can guarantee you nobody on that medical crew is proud of how quickly they attended to him.
The question makes me wonder how they decide where to position medics. Was there a section potentially more dangerous than this? Do they consider that? 🤔
Just Barcia's luck the 2 bikes blocking the emt's view were Suzuki's
Thank you, I'll be able to sleep now. If I'm Barcia I'm hanging up the boots after that one.
Well I'm not filing a lawsuit buddy I'm pissed because I think the riders deserve better medical attention. If you can watch that video and think 50 seconds is the best response time we can give a seriously injured rider then carry on!
Do you have any thoughts on why this medic might not have moved on from Stewart to check on Barcia? Genuinely asking and not trying to rebut.
Yes, it’s usually right after the biblical rainstorm thread….
It was sickening to watch, not only did it take an eternity to get to him, the first person to attend was not qualified / or did not appear to act appropriatly.
I would hope that staff are trained on their assigned job, and only to perform their job.
My stopwatch counted 53 seconds from time Barcia hit the ground until the first guy got over to him. That's too much for a super cross stadium. Outdoors could be more likely with bigger tracks and difficult access to some areas.
I can only speculate at this point, like any of us, but the medic may have developed tunnel vision after reaching Mookie first, and focused only on him without checking for other downed riders.