Maduro capture

soggy wrote:

Whatever it is we have no right to it. 

Brad460 wrote:

The Venezuelan people do have a right to it…they deserve to have a higher standard of living (which comes from oil and gas). They deserve high...

The Venezuelan people do have a right to it…they deserve to have a higher standard of living (which comes from oil and gas). They deserve high paying jobs in the oil and gas industry..just like millions of people in the USA, Canada and many other oil rich countries in the world..

Folks act like increasing production of oil in Venezuela and them being able to sell it on the open market is a bad thing..

When I see folks mention oil like it’s a bad thing I laugh…you all love using oil and how it helps drive our economy! Please explain to me why they don’t deserve the same? Why don’t they deserve higher paying oil and gas jobs? 

Should also note- we don’t need Venezuelan oil, we have a shit ton here too..

soggy wrote:

Whatever it is we have no right to it. 

Brad460 wrote:

The Venezuelan people do have a right to it…they deserve to have a higher standard of living (which comes from oil and gas). They deserve high...

The Venezuelan people do have a right to it…they deserve to have a higher standard of living (which comes from oil and gas). They deserve high paying jobs in the oil and gas industry..just like millions of people in the USA, Canada and many other oil rich countries in the world..

Folks act like increasing production of oil in Venezuela and them being able to sell it on the open market is a bad thing..

When I see folks mention oil like it’s a bad thing I laugh…you all love using oil and how it helps drive our economy! Please explain to me why they don’t deserve the same? Why don’t they deserve higher paying oil and gas jobs? 

Should also note- we don’t need Venezuelan oil, we have a shit ton here too..

Spoonguy wrote:

Absolutely fuck yes. Why don't people see or admit this?

Brad460 wrote:

The Venezuelan people do have a right to it…they deserve to have a higher standard of living (which comes from oil and gas). They deserve high...

The Venezuelan people do have a right to it…they deserve to have a higher standard of living (which comes from oil and gas). They deserve high paying jobs in the oil and gas industry..just like millions of people in the USA, Canada and many other oil rich countries in the world..

Folks act like increasing production of oil in Venezuela and them being able to sell it on the open market is a bad thing..

When I see folks mention oil like it’s a bad thing I laugh…you all love using oil and how it helps drive our economy! Please explain to me why they don’t deserve the same? Why don’t they deserve higher paying oil and gas jobs? 

Should also note- we don’t need Venezuelan oil, we have a shit ton here too..

Spoonguy wrote:

Absolutely fuck yes. Why don't people see or admit this?

cheesehead420 wrote:

Because we were the ones the freed these people from their “dictator”. If they had done it themselves then sure, you could say they deserve it...

Because we were the ones the freed these people from their “dictator”. If they had done it themselves then sure, you could say they deserve it, but they didn’t. We did it, which means I did it with my tax money, so it should be our oil now. It is our right to take it. To the victor goes the spoils. 

And we do need their oil. It’s money in the bank, and more importantly it’s control, as it keeps it out of the hands of BRIC’s nations. If we don’t control the world’s resources and economies of other nations we loose our edge. Our entire economy and every Americans personal financial interests are intertwined with America’s ability to control resources and the currencies that other countries trade in. 

byke wrote:

Some pretty crazy let's-take-over-the-world vibes going on in here...

byke wrote:

Some pretty crazy let's-take-over-the-world vibes going on in here...

Brad460 wrote:

This is a 90/10 issue and your on the wrong side.The USA is the world super power and it’s important for every country in the world...

This is a 90/10 issue and your on the wrong side.

The USA is the world super power and it’s important for every country in the world that we remain that way..(except Russia, China and the handful of sanctioned countries)..

Need to decide where you land..

scott_nz wrote:

Was the the trigonometry podcast , it was very good 

I have yet to see any native Venezuelan come out not in support of removing him , 

gantry25 wrote:

Really? There are interviews with a large number of Venezuelan people on the news, Facebook, and Twitter that support this. Have you even looked? Have you...

Really? There are interviews with a large number of Venezuelan people on the news, Facebook, and Twitter that support this. Have you even looked? Have you watched videos of the crowds celebrating his removal? Where do you get your information? If I were you I would probaly get a little more balanced  sources so you may know the truth about what's really going on. The Venezuelan people overwhelmingly support this action to get Maduro out. He was not leagally elected. 
Before you continue criticizing President Trump and The United States for this action, please tell us all in what way your country New Zealand, has tried to help the Venezuelan people.  Oh wait nevermind, New Zealand is too busy arresting people for exercising their free speech over the internet. 

Chance1216 wrote:

If I were you, I’d shut up and, read what he posted again. He has yet to see any native Venezuelan not happy with the removal.

If I were you, I’d shut up and, read what he posted again. He has yet to see any native Venezuelan not happy with the removal.

byke wrote:

Some pretty crazy let's-take-over-the-world vibes going on in here...

Brad460 wrote:

This is a 90/10 issue and your on the wrong side.The USA is the world super power and it’s important for every country in the world...

This is a 90/10 issue and your on the wrong side.

The USA is the world super power and it’s important for every country in the world that we remain that way..(except Russia, China and the handful of sanctioned countries)..

Need to decide where you land..

byke wrote:

I land on the side where first place is earned, not taken, and where Maduro is removed because it's the right thing to do and we're...

I land on the side where first place is earned, not taken, and where Maduro is removed because it's the right thing to do and we're in such a solid place of integrity that we don't even talk about oil and profit. If some deals are offered, cool, but anything more aggressive than that can crawl back into the hole where it came from. 

plowboy wrote:

Brother man...that meme perfectly illustrates one of, if not the main reason, that Red and Blue can't get on the same page.Just because us Lefties don't...

Brother man...that meme perfectly illustrates one of, if not the main reason, that Red and Blue can't get on the same page.

Just because us Lefties don't agree with how Trump went about this doesn't mean we are "supporting" a dictator.

If we and our allies agree that an evil mother fucker has to go...then jump on it.  But that ain't what the world is seeing/hearing.

gantry25 wrote:

Did you also disagree when Clinton continued to bomb Kosovo without congressional approval? What about when Obama bombed Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, and Afganistan...

Did you also disagree when Clinton continued to bomb Kosovo without congressional approval? What about when Obama bombed Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, and Afganistan also without congressional approval? Let's not forget the bumbling Biden and his bombing of Syria, Iraq, and Yemen. Further, getting congressional approval would have meant informing Democrats about military options and the Democrats leaking those details to the public, in turn threatening US forces. Even you left wing ideologues must recognise that it would have been leaked. 

Of course the simplist answer isn't always right. This was more about not allowing China or Russia to get a larger foothold in Venezuela. China through it's belt and road initative and Russia through tech transfer as was just done launching a satellite for the Maduro regime.

This action taken by president Trump was long overdue for the suffering Venezuelan people and was completey legal. If you are going to say that take a moment to read this excerpt:

The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (referred to as the War Powers Act) limits what the president can do with military forces if lacking Congressional approval. U.S. forces sent into combat are limited to 90 days without a Congressional resolution, 30 of which must be spent on their withdrawal.

The quote above should help those of you who continue to state that the bombing was illegal to now know the truth. Now if you are going to state that it isn't legal according to the UN, you obviously haven't noticed by now President Trump and his administration don't care what the UN considers legal as the UN is obviously anti American.

byke wrote:

Some pretty crazy let's-take-over-the-world vibes going on in here...

Brad460 wrote:

This is a 90/10 issue and your on the wrong side.The USA is the world super power and it’s important for every country in the world...

This is a 90/10 issue and your on the wrong side.

The USA is the world super power and it’s important for every country in the world that we remain that way..(except Russia, China and the handful of sanctioned countries)..

Need to decide where you land..

byke wrote:

I land on the side where first place is earned, not taken, and where Maduro is removed because it's the right thing to do and we're...

I land on the side where first place is earned, not taken, and where Maduro is removed because it's the right thing to do and we're in such a solid place of integrity that we don't even talk about oil and profit. If some deals are offered, cool, but anything more aggressive than that can crawl back into the hole where it came from. 

Brad460 wrote:

This is a 90/10 issue and your on the wrong side.The USA is the world super power and it’s important for every country in the world...

This is a 90/10 issue and your on the wrong side.

The USA is the world super power and it’s important for every country in the world that we remain that way..(except Russia, China and the handful of sanctioned countries)..

Need to decide where you land..

byke wrote:

I land on the side where first place is earned, not taken, and where Maduro is removed because it's the right thing to do and we're...

I land on the side where first place is earned, not taken, and where Maduro is removed because it's the right thing to do and we're in such a solid place of integrity that we don't even talk about oil and profit. If some deals are offered, cool, but anything more aggressive than that can crawl back into the hole where it came from. 

cheesehead420 wrote:

Capitalism is a zero sum game, and as the finite resources that our entire civilization is built around and dependent on become more and more scarce...

Capitalism is a zero sum game, and as the finite resources that our entire civilization is built around and dependent on become more and more scarce, it becomes even more so. 

Everything taken or extracted from the earth or from other people is taken by blood, sweat, or tears and it’s earned. 

You win moto’s by beating others. That’s the only way to win, and if you’re not winning you’re losing. 

byke wrote:

I land on the side where first place is earned, not taken, and where Maduro is removed because it's the right thing to do and we're...

I land on the side where first place is earned, not taken, and where Maduro is removed because it's the right thing to do and we're in such a solid place of integrity that we don't even talk about oil and profit. If some deals are offered, cool, but anything more aggressive than that can crawl back into the hole where it came from. 

cheesehead420 wrote:

Capitalism is a zero sum game, and as the finite resources that our entire civilization is built around and dependent on become more and more scarce...

Capitalism is a zero sum game, and as the finite resources that our entire civilization is built around and dependent on become more and more scarce, it becomes even more so. 

Everything taken or extracted from the earth or from other people is taken by blood, sweat, or tears and it’s earned. 

You win moto’s by beating others. That’s the only way to win, and if you’re not winning you’re losing. 

byke wrote:

Prove it, go take your neighbor's stuff. 

JAFO92 wrote:

plowboy wrote:

Brother man...that meme perfectly illustrates one of, if not the main reason, that Red and Blue can't get on the same page.Just because us Lefties don't...

Brother man...that meme perfectly illustrates one of, if not the main reason, that Red and Blue can't get on the same page.

Just because us Lefties don't agree with how Trump went about this doesn't mean we are "supporting" a dictator.

If we and our allies agree that an evil mother fucker has to go...then jump on it.  But that ain't what the world is seeing/hearing.

cheesehead420 wrote:

Capitalism is a zero sum game, and as the finite resources that our entire civilization is built around and dependent on become more and more scarce...

Capitalism is a zero sum game, and as the finite resources that our entire civilization is built around and dependent on become more and more scarce, it becomes even more so. 

Everything taken or extracted from the earth or from other people is taken by blood, sweat, or tears and it’s earned. 

You win moto’s by beating others. That’s the only way to win, and if you’re not winning you’re losing. 

byke wrote:

Prove it, go take your neighbor's stuff. 

cheesehead420 wrote:

Already do. Labor exploitation is a major, and maybe the largest source of wealth extraction in todays world.  Accumulation by dispossession is the process thats taking place...

Already do. Labor exploitation is a major, and maybe the largest source of wealth extraction in todays world. 
 

Accumulation by dispossession is the process thats taking place now in Venezuela and it’s how capitalism works. In order for some to have, it must be taken from others. The vast majority of modern American wealth is because we’ve taken it from others and we’re dependent on this dynamic. 

soggy wrote:

It's about oil.  Came straight from the horses mouth.

Zycki11 wrote:

They have more than just oil

kmc140 wrote:

Yes they do ... 

Yes they do ... 

soggy wrote:

It's about oil.  Came straight from the horses mouth.

Zycki11 wrote:

They have more than just oil

byke wrote:

The admin talked about oil in the very first press conference about the arrest. Normally admins don't talk about their ulterior motives at all. This is...

The admin talked about oil in the very first press conference about the arrest. Normally admins don't talk about their ulterior motives at all. This is ultimately about money in one form or another, but at the same time, they're getting a criminal out of office, so I'm more in a "wait and see" camp. It's kind of like when gang members shoot each other, sometimes you let criminal vs criminal stuff play out a bit before intervening. 

R66 wrote:

Anyone think it is important to keep China out of Venezuela? 

byke wrote:

Maybe, but keep them from doing what exactly and what would be the limitation to our efforts? Because I'm not down with using crime/murder/etc as a...

Maybe, but keep them from doing what exactly and what would be the limitation to our efforts? Because I'm not down with using crime/murder/etc as a political tool to prevent legal activities, or else we're just Russia at that point and would be deserving of any type of response. 

Zycki11 wrote:

They have more than just oil

byke wrote:

The admin talked about oil in the very first press conference about the arrest. Normally admins don't talk about their ulterior motives at all. This is...

The admin talked about oil in the very first press conference about the arrest. Normally admins don't talk about their ulterior motives at all. This is ultimately about money in one form or another, but at the same time, they're getting a criminal out of office, so I'm more in a "wait and see" camp. It's kind of like when gang members shoot each other, sometimes you let criminal vs criminal stuff play out a bit before intervening. 

ToolMaker wrote:

Why did you have to wait for the press conference to know this? Trump has publicly said many, many times how stupid we were to NOT...

Why did you have to wait for the press conference to know this? Trump has publicly said many, many times how stupid we were to NOT reimburse our cost with Iraqi oil.

TM

R66 wrote:

Anyone think it is important to keep China out of Venezuela? 

byke wrote:

Maybe, but keep them from doing what exactly and what would be the limitation to our efforts? Because I'm not down with using crime/murder/etc as a...

Maybe, but keep them from doing what exactly and what would be the limitation to our efforts? Because I'm not down with using crime/murder/etc as a political tool to prevent legal activities, or else we're just Russia at that point and would be deserving of any type of response. 

mvd61 wrote:

We always have been. They’ve just lied a lot. 

JAFO92 wrote:

plowboy wrote:

Brother man...that meme perfectly illustrates one of, if not the main reason, that Red and Blue can't get on the same page.Just because us Lefties don't...

Brother man...that meme perfectly illustrates one of, if not the main reason, that Red and Blue can't get on the same page.

Just because us Lefties don't agree with how Trump went about this doesn't mean we are "supporting" a dictator.

If we and our allies agree that an evil mother fucker has to go...then jump on it.  But that ain't what the world is seeing/hearing.

ToolMaker wrote:

Brother, if not us, then who? If not now, then when? If not how it was done, then how do you believe it should have been...

Brother, if not us, then who? If not now, then when? If not how it was done, then how do you believe it should have been done?

Do you believe it was

A: a success

B: not a success

It appears so far, that the people of Venezuela appreciate the removal of the illegitimate president.

It appears it was very targeted, not a big military resistance like in Iraq.

TM

plowboy wrote:

Brother man...that meme perfectly illustrates one of, if not the main reason, that Red and Blue can't get on the same page.Just because us Lefties don't...

Brother man...that meme perfectly illustrates one of, if not the main reason, that Red and Blue can't get on the same page.

Just because us Lefties don't agree with how Trump went about this doesn't mean we are "supporting" a dictator.

If we and our allies agree that an evil mother fucker has to go...then jump on it.  But that ain't what the world is seeing/hearing.

ToolMaker wrote:

Brother, if not us, then who? If not now, then when? If not how it was done, then how do you believe it should have been...

Brother, if not us, then who? If not now, then when? If not how it was done, then how do you believe it should have been done?

Do you believe it was

A: a success

B: not a success

It appears so far, that the people of Venezuela appreciate the removal of the illegitimate president.

It appears it was very targeted, not a big military resistance like in Iraq.

TM

TeamGreen wrote:

It appears it was very targeted, not a big military resistance like in Iraq.TMYou are correct: It was an op. Not a war. 💪🏼I’m...

It appears it was very targeted, not a big military resistance like in Iraq.

TM

You are correct: It was an op. Not a war. 💪🏼

I’m thoroughly enjoying the way the usual suspects…the haters…are twisting the point of “return of assets” and running with their…”it’s just about the oil” narrative…it’s like they absolutely ARE NOT interested in the actual history here…ya know?

It’s almost funny…the “ignorable truth”. No recollection of stolen U.S. assets. No interest in knowing the politics of oppression that Maduro has used to murder his opposition…the politics of the oppression of the Venezuelan people…nope. Not interested.

Just…”Hate” for their own President. Why? Because, he’s doing exactly what he said he’d do. And they hate it. He’s not a mumbling vegetable. And they hate it. Shown, for a fact, that the Biden Border was a complete shit show…that any REAL PRESIDENT could…and did…SHUT DOWN. Showed us where Billions were going for Trans-stupidity in countries who’s names many of the haters can’t even spell correctly. Yup. They hate it. 

No worries.

They’re jus’ something to laugh at. Just like their candidates were, last  November. 

 

plowboy wrote:

Brother man...that meme perfectly illustrates one of, if not the main reason, that Red and Blue can't get on the same page.Just because us Lefties don't...

Brother man...that meme perfectly illustrates one of, if not the main reason, that Red and Blue can't get on the same page.

Just because us Lefties don't agree with how Trump went about this doesn't mean we are "supporting" a dictator.

If we and our allies agree that an evil mother fucker has to go...then jump on it.  But that ain't what the world is seeing/hearing.

ToolMaker wrote:

Brother, if not us, then who? If not now, then when? If not how it was done, then how do you believe it should have been...

Brother, if not us, then who? If not now, then when? If not how it was done, then how do you believe it should have been done?

Do you believe it was

A: a success

B: not a success

It appears so far, that the people of Venezuela appreciate the removal of the illegitimate president.

It appears it was very targeted, not a big military resistance like in Iraq.

TM

TeamGreen wrote:

It appears it was very targeted, not a big military resistance like in Iraq.TMYou are correct: It was an op. Not a war. 💪🏼I’m...

It appears it was very targeted, not a big military resistance like in Iraq.

TM

You are correct: It was an op. Not a war. 💪🏼

I’m thoroughly enjoying the way the usual suspects…the haters…are twisting the point of “return of assets” and running with their…”it’s just about the oil” narrative…it’s like they absolutely ARE NOT interested in the actual history here…ya know?

It’s almost funny…the “ignorable truth”. No recollection of stolen U.S. assets. No interest in knowing the politics of oppression that Maduro has used to murder his opposition…the politics of the oppression of the Venezuelan people…nope. Not interested.

Just…”Hate” for their own President. Why? Because, he’s doing exactly what he said he’d do. And they hate it. He’s not a mumbling vegetable. And they hate it. Shown, for a fact, that the Biden Border was a complete shit show…that any REAL PRESIDENT could…and did…SHUT DOWN. Showed us where Billions were going for Trans-stupidity in countries who’s names many of the haters can’t even spell correctly. Yup. They hate it. 

No worries.

They’re jus’ something to laugh at. Just like their candidates were, last  November. 

 

byke wrote:

Maybe, but keep them from doing what exactly and what would be the limitation to our efforts? Because I'm not down with using crime/murder/etc as a...

Maybe, but keep them from doing what exactly and what would be the limitation to our efforts? Because I'm not down with using crime/murder/etc as a political tool to prevent legal activities, or else we're just Russia at that point and would be deserving of any type of response. 

mvd61 wrote:

We always have been. They’ve just lied a lot. 

byke wrote:

Well I'd rather die than become the immoral type of person that cheers for it. 

byke wrote:

Prove it, go take your neighbor's stuff. 

cheesehead420 wrote:

Already do. Labor exploitation is a major, and maybe the largest source of wealth extraction in todays world.  Accumulation by dispossession is the process thats taking place...

Already do. Labor exploitation is a major, and maybe the largest source of wealth extraction in todays world. 
 

Accumulation by dispossession is the process thats taking place now in Venezuela and it’s how capitalism works. In order for some to have, it must be taken from others. The vast majority of modern American wealth is because we’ve taken it from others and we’re dependent on this dynamic. 

byke wrote:

Everyone gives consent when they engage in labor/cash trades, or when we buy/sell pretty much anything. Taking is when only one thing happens, labor and no...

Everyone gives consent when they engage in labor/cash trades, or when we buy/sell pretty much anything. Taking is when only one thing happens, labor and no wages, wages and no labor, etc. etc.