Showing Deference to Jeremy McGrath.

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72 thumbs up. Stop the count!

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I had the exact same thought as the OP. After hearing Jett hurt again (which as a Tomac fan, sucks major ass), I thought "damn MC was just as unreal as I remember growing up". He always stayed healthy, out of trouble, raced clean, and kept winning week after week. As this would have been year 3 for Jett, and still not completing a full year up to this point and now for '26 as well. McGrath mainly raced sx only, which has to account for something. But, in my opinion, there is now a 0% chance Jett can get close to MC's record. I mean hell, he'd be lucky to catch 1 of the Big 3 at this point with only 9 wins thus far.

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12/23/2025 11:16am Edited Date/Time 12/23/2025 12:21pm

I never thought there was any disrespect to Mc Grath in what Jett said. He's ambitious, and with his level, he has the right to be. He has a right to set a goal (and as he mentioned, a difficult one), no big deal, time will tell if he achieves it or not...

I always expected more titles from Stew (or Herlings), and way less from Webb, so who knows? Both are there to remind us that staying on your wheels is major...

 

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Buckwheat's opinion on Showtime's record:https://motocrossactionmag.com/the-famous-bob-hannah-interview-that-got-everyone-up-in-arms/“Jeremy is undoubtedly the greatest Supercross rider there ever has been and probably ever will be. He picked a good...

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Buckwheat's opinion on Showtime's record:

https://motocrossactionmag.com/the-famous-bob-hannah-interview-that-got-everyone-up-in-arms/

“Jeremy is undoubtedly the greatest Supercross rider there ever has been and probably ever will be. He picked a good time to win, because he’s racing against a bunch of morons (not to take anything away from him). Johnson, Stanton, Bailey and myself on our best day couldn’t beat Jeremy McGrath in Supercross. I’ll bet $10 grand nobody can beat his record in the next ten years. If I find somebody who wants that bet, I’ll put the money in escrow. I don’t think it’ll happen. McGrath has more wins than Rick Johnson and me put together, and I know how hard it was for me to get what I got. I’ll bet Johnson will tell you it was hard to get what he got. To win twice as many? I don’t care who you are, you worked hard for that. But, it is a weak field out there.”

But what would JMB"s record be if he stayed?

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I don't think JMB would have beaten any victories records... He said himself he lost interest after his three titles in '91... He wanted to pursue other dreams and probably would have switched to road racing in 92 if he could. 

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On the other hand -and I guess that will be a hugely unpopular opinion- I'm not sure a young McGrath would win that much today... His sheer talent allowed him to give it all for a few laps then control the race... The top racers physical conditioning is far from what it was in the nineties... 

 

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bike brands had a huge gap back then.  put swink or larocco on the honda for those first 3 years and they each get a ton of wins.  swink caught jeremy on the suzuki in one race and a lapper got in the way,  those 93-96 suzukis were terrible.  even albertyn said this.    put mc on the suzuki and we seen what happened.  after roger made a bunch of changes.  and jermey had clutch problems

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RACING wrote:
On the other hand -and I guess that will be a hugely unpopular opinion- I'm not sure a young McGrath would win that much today... His...

On the other hand -and I guess that will be a hugely unpopular opinion- I'm not sure a young McGrath would win that much today... His sheer talent allowed him to give it all for a few laps then control the race... The top racers physical conditioning is far from what it was in the nineties... 

 

tell that to larocco, kiedrowski or stanton.   jeremy, like jett got the best bike at the right time of their carreer.  jeremy was able to win on 3 bikes tho.  

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On the other hand -and I guess that will be a hugely unpopular opinion- I'm not sure a young McGrath would win that much today... His...

On the other hand -and I guess that will be a hugely unpopular opinion- I'm not sure a young McGrath would win that much today... His sheer talent allowed him to give it all for a few laps then control the race... The top racers physical conditioning is far from what it was in the nineties... 

 

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tell that to larocco, kiedrowski or stanton.   jeremy, like jett got the best bike at the right time of their carreer.  jeremy was able to...

tell that to larocco, kiedrowski or stanton.   jeremy, like jett got the best bike at the right time of their carreer.  jeremy was able to win on 3 bikes tho.  

Still, I don't think Emig would have raced triathlons...

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cable wrote:
bike brands had a huge gap back then.  put swink or larocco on the honda for those first 3 years and they each get a ton...

bike brands had a huge gap back then.  put swink or larocco on the honda for those first 3 years and they each get a ton of wins.  swink caught jeremy on the suzuki in one race and a lapper got in the way,  those 93-96 suzukis were terrible.  even albertyn said this.    put mc on the suzuki and we seen what happened.  after roger made a bunch of changes.  and jermey had clutch problems

MC had two weeks of testing on the RM before the season opener.  Two.  Nobody in today's era would be racing with that kind of time on a new bike.

If they'd had the standard three months, the clutch issues would have been ironed out earlier than they were.  MC's mechanic also didn't know how to properly run the throttle cable, resulting in a bike that didn't go wide open.

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The clutch issues were back when RC joined Suzuki...

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cable wrote:
bike brands had a huge gap back then.  put swink or larocco on the honda for those first 3 years and they each get a ton...

bike brands had a huge gap back then.  put swink or larocco on the honda for those first 3 years and they each get a ton of wins.  swink caught jeremy on the suzuki in one race and a lapper got in the way,  those 93-96 suzukis were terrible.  even albertyn said this.    put mc on the suzuki and we seen what happened.  after roger made a bunch of changes.  and jermey had clutch problems

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MC had two weeks of testing on the RM before the season opener.  Two.  Nobody in today's era would be racing with that kind of time...

MC had two weeks of testing on the RM before the season opener.  Two.  Nobody in today's era would be racing with that kind of time on a new bike.

If they'd had the standard three months, the clutch issues would have been ironed out earlier than they were.  MC's mechanic also didn't know how to properly run the throttle cable, resulting in a bike that didn't go wide open.

It took a lot of different problems (Lamson, clutch, forks, flat, foot, whatever, you name it) for Jeremy to lose that title and still, he was pretty close...

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cable wrote:
bike brands had a huge gap back then.  put swink or larocco on the honda for those first 3 years and they each get a ton...

bike brands had a huge gap back then.  put swink or larocco on the honda for those first 3 years and they each get a ton of wins.  swink caught jeremy on the suzuki in one race and a lapper got in the way,  those 93-96 suzukis were terrible.  even albertyn said this.    put mc on the suzuki and we seen what happened.  after roger made a bunch of changes.  and jermey had clutch problems

Even with all the troubles on the Suzuki , flat tire ect ect ect he lost the championship by only 8 points. 

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cable wrote:
bike brands had a huge gap back then.  put swink or larocco on the honda for those first 3 years and they each get a ton...

bike brands had a huge gap back then.  put swink or larocco on the honda for those first 3 years and they each get a ton of wins.  swink caught jeremy on the suzuki in one race and a lapper got in the way,  those 93-96 suzukis were terrible.  even albertyn said this.    put mc on the suzuki and we seen what happened.  after roger made a bunch of changes.  and jermey had clutch problems

Even with all the troubles on the Suzuki , flat tire ect ect ect he lost the championship by only 8 points. 

4-6 more weeks of prep and a better mechanic changes the whole story.

Although he has said,  multiple times, that losing that championship fueled a fire that may have burnt out otherwise... 

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https://racerxonline.com/2024/11/13/the-one-that-got-away

“I can look back and say I’m not sure,” he says. “What would I have done? Well, look, Sexton just did it! (Won the AMA Supercross Championship and then switched teams.) But you’re right. It might have changed the trajectory of all of this stuff. I won three more supercross titles (after switching to Yamaha in 1998). Do I think I could have won three-straight supercross titles (on a Suzuki)? Look at the way the dominoes fell. When I left Suzuki and went to Yamaha, (Ezra) Lusk left Yamaha and he went to Honda. Lusk, I think was definitely regarded as the guy who was the best guy or the most competition for me in the coming years. If I was on a Suzuki and Lusk stayed on a Yamaha…I might have had my hands full. We know now that he (Lusk) had a lot of trouble finishing a series off, strategy wise, having crashes or whatever. But had he stayed on a Yamaha, it probably would have been easier for him to get more wins and battle for a championship. The Honda was so violent at the time, it took him three years to get that thing working. So that did me a favor.”

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12/24/2025 11:04am Edited Date/Time 12/24/2025 11:07am
I vaguely recall hearing the clip when he commented on MCs record.  I didn’t get the impression he was being cocky or arrogant, but what if...

I vaguely recall hearing the clip when he commented on MCs record.  I didn’t get the impression he was being cocky or arrogant, but what if he was?  So what?  Why does it offend people if a standout competitive athlete talks a little trash?  Let him.

This thread started out good and then took a turn for the worst.  

Cocky and arrogant would  have been saying it after only 20 wins.  Saying it with ZERO wins on the big bike was completely disrespectful and a terrible look in my opinion. It turned a whole lot of people off, including me.

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GBS wrote:

Jeremy was on a 250 2-Stroke and injuries were not the same. 450 bikes hurt people more.

 

I don’t know, those old two strokes with less than desirable suspensions put me on my ass far more than the 450’s of today 🙂 especially on hard pack! 
 

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😄...I love these posts.

Americans hanging on by their fingertips 😄

You would be GAGGING on Lawrence if he was American.

You literally have NOBODY In the race

ToMac's front looks sketchy as shit 

Sexton ain't doing shit on the green bike.

You looooooved shitting on Prado.

Gagged on Roczen that he became 'American'

Ahhh tuff pill to swallow boys 🫢

Coenen brothers up next 😄

Getting annihilated in your own backyard 

Better go buy a DNGR 38 t shirt and discuss 'arrogant'

PS McGrath is an absolute egotistical clown 🤡 

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😄...I love these posts.Americans hanging on by their fingertips 😄You would be GAGGING on Lawrence if he was American.You literally have NOBODY In the raceToMac's front...

😄...I love these posts.

Americans hanging on by their fingertips 😄

You would be GAGGING on Lawrence if he was American.

You literally have NOBODY In the race

ToMac's front looks sketchy as shit 

Sexton ain't doing shit on the green bike.

You looooooved shitting on Prado.

Gagged on Roczen that he became 'American'

Ahhh tuff pill to swallow boys 🫢

Coenen brothers up next 😄

Getting annihilated in your own backyard 

Better go buy a DNGR 38 t shirt and discuss 'arrogant'

PS McGrath is an absolute egotistical clown 🤡 

Wrong 

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12/24/2025 11:44am
😄...I love these posts.Americans hanging on by their fingertips 😄You would be GAGGING on Lawrence if he was American.You literally have NOBODY In the raceToMac's front...

😄...I love these posts.

Americans hanging on by their fingertips 😄

You would be GAGGING on Lawrence if he was American.

You literally have NOBODY In the race

ToMac's front looks sketchy as shit 

Sexton ain't doing shit on the green bike.

You looooooved shitting on Prado.

Gagged on Roczen that he became 'American'

Ahhh tuff pill to swallow boys 🫢

Coenen brothers up next 😄

Getting annihilated in your own backyard 

Better go buy a DNGR 38 t shirt and discuss 'arrogant'

PS McGrath is an absolute egotistical clown 🤡 

There’s only one clown here and we all know who that is. But Merry Christmas anyways

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😄...I love these posts.Americans hanging on by their fingertips 😄You would be GAGGING on Lawrence if he was American.You literally have NOBODY In the raceToMac's front...

😄...I love these posts.

Americans hanging on by their fingertips 😄

You would be GAGGING on Lawrence if he was American.

You literally have NOBODY In the race

ToMac's front looks sketchy as shit 

Sexton ain't doing shit on the green bike.

You looooooved shitting on Prado.

Gagged on Roczen that he became 'American'

Ahhh tuff pill to swallow boys 🫢

Coenen brothers up next 😄

Getting annihilated in your own backyard 

Better go buy a DNGR 38 t shirt and discuss 'arrogant'

PS McGrath is an absolute egotistical clown 🤡 

Wrong 

You were my motivation for posting…😄😄

Calling Jett arrogant with no wins with absolutely no credibility to his 250 career… Your thoughts on des nations his first time on the 450? 💭 🎤 

LETS HEAR IT GORDON!!

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😄...I love these posts.Americans hanging on by their fingertips 😄You would be GAGGING on Lawrence if he was American.You literally have NOBODY In the raceToMac's front...

😄...I love these posts.

Americans hanging on by their fingertips 😄

You would be GAGGING on Lawrence if he was American.

You literally have NOBODY In the race

ToMac's front looks sketchy as shit 

Sexton ain't doing shit on the green bike.

You looooooved shitting on Prado.

Gagged on Roczen that he became 'American'

Ahhh tuff pill to swallow boys 🫢

Coenen brothers up next 😄

Getting annihilated in your own backyard 

Better go buy a DNGR 38 t shirt and discuss 'arrogant'

PS McGrath is an absolute egotistical clown 🤡 

There’s only one clown here and we all know who that is. But Merry Christmas anyways

I thought the same!

Gordon's hilarious 🤡

I got time today boys!

Do you remember the time that jet endo'd almost winning in his green shift gear?Who was it… I think he was from France

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😄...I love these posts.Americans hanging on by their fingertips 😄You would be GAGGING on Lawrence if he was American.You literally have NOBODY In the raceToMac's front...

😄...I love these posts.

Americans hanging on by their fingertips 😄

You would be GAGGING on Lawrence if he was American.

You literally have NOBODY In the race

ToMac's front looks sketchy as shit 

Sexton ain't doing shit on the green bike.

You looooooved shitting on Prado.

Gagged on Roczen that he became 'American'

Ahhh tuff pill to swallow boys 🫢

Coenen brothers up next 😄

Getting annihilated in your own backyard 

Better go buy a DNGR 38 t shirt and discuss 'arrogant'

PS McGrath is an absolute egotistical clown 🤡 

There’s only one clown here and we all know who that is. But Merry Christmas anyways

I thought the same!Gordon's hilarious 🤡I got time today boys!Do you remember the time that jet endo'd almost winning in his green shift gear?Who was it...

I thought the same!

Gordon's hilarious 🤡

I got time today boys!

Do you remember the time that jet endo'd almost winning in his green shift gear?Who was it… I think he was from France

Oh that's right it was Ferrandis....from France...

For a minute there, I thought it was the past two year champion Tom vialle from France... killing me!… Jet wouldn't have been racing the 250 champion would he

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jeremy was one flat tire away from winning the championship on the suzuki.

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He protested Vegas 1995 and didn’t race, if he had raced…his record would be at 73 wins for sure. 

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😄...I love these posts.Americans hanging on by their fingertips 😄You would be GAGGING on Lawrence if he was American.You literally have NOBODY In the raceToMac's front...

😄...I love these posts.

Americans hanging on by their fingertips 😄

You would be GAGGING on Lawrence if he was American.

You literally have NOBODY In the race

ToMac's front looks sketchy as shit 

Sexton ain't doing shit on the green bike.

You looooooved shitting on Prado.

Gagged on Roczen that he became 'American'

Ahhh tuff pill to swallow boys 🫢

Coenen brothers up next 😄

Getting annihilated in your own backyard 

Better go buy a DNGR 38 t shirt and discuss 'arrogant'

PS McGrath is an absolute egotistical clown 🤡 

Wrong 

You were my motivation for posting…😄😄Calling Jett arrogant with no wins with absolutely no credibility to his 250 career… Your thoughts on des nations his first...

You were my motivation for posting…😄😄

Calling Jett arrogant with no wins with absolutely no credibility to his 250 career… Your thoughts on des nations his first time on the 450? 💭 🎤 

LETS HEAR IT GORDON!!

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12/24/2025 2:02pm Edited Date/Time 12/24/2025 4:19pm
😄...I love these posts.Americans hanging on by their fingertips 😄You would be GAGGING on Lawrence if he was American.You literally have NOBODY In the raceToMac's front...

😄...I love these posts.

Americans hanging on by their fingertips 😄

You would be GAGGING on Lawrence if he was American.

You literally have NOBODY In the race

ToMac's front looks sketchy as shit 

Sexton ain't doing shit on the green bike.

You looooooved shitting on Prado.

Gagged on Roczen that he became 'American'

Ahhh tuff pill to swallow boys 🫢

Coenen brothers up next 😄

Getting annihilated in your own backyard 

Better go buy a DNGR 38 t shirt and discuss 'arrogant'

PS McGrath is an absolute egotistical clown 🤡 


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I’d say injuries have jumped in the 4 stroke era 

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😄...I love these posts.Americans hanging on by their fingertips 😄You would be GAGGING on Lawrence if he was American.You literally have NOBODY In the raceToMac's front...

😄...I love these posts.

Americans hanging on by their fingertips 😄

You would be GAGGING on Lawrence if he was American.

You literally have NOBODY In the race

ToMac's front looks sketchy as shit 

Sexton ain't doing shit on the green bike.

You looooooved shitting on Prado.

Gagged on Roczen that he became 'American'

Ahhh tuff pill to swallow boys 🫢

Coenen brothers up next 😄

Getting annihilated in your own backyard 

Better go buy a DNGR 38 t shirt and discuss 'arrogant'

PS McGrath is an absolute egotistical clown 🤡 

You don't sound very Uhmerikan.

Or charitable.

That said, American riders are at an all time low, compared with previous eras and our Superstars.  We have no Superstars right now (maybe the ultra-cocky Deegs).  It's slim pickings for sure.  No McGraths, Carmichaels, Stewarts, or Villopotos on the horizon, anywhere.

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