Time to revisit number rules

crt32
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It’s time.
For the sake of marketing and rider recognition, motocross needs a better numbering system.

My 6-year-old followed the sport all through the 2025 season. By the end of it, he had the main riders memorized.
#70 was Prado.
#23 was JuJu.
#18 was Jett.
(And a bunch more.)

Now we’re heading into 2026 and we’re watching preseason videos / early coverage, and he’s constantly asking:

“Wait… who is #__? I thought that was ___.”

I explain that some of them changed numbers.

“Well why?”
“Well… it’s kinda the number they earned.”
“Does Deegan have to change his number?”
“No, he keeps his, he won a championship.”
“What about Lawrence? Does he keep #18?”
“Yes.”
“But why? He didn’t win the championship…"

This system makes no sense to casual fans.

If a kid who watched every weekend in 2025 can’t keep track heading into 2026… how is someone who catches a race here and there supposed to?

Imagine someone watching a few rounds at Applebee’s last year, liked JuJu at #23, tells their buddy this season, “Watch for #23”… and now #23 isn’t even the same rider.

Numbers are branding. They’re memory. They’re identity.


Changing them constantly hurts recognition for riders and hurts the sport’s ability to build stars.

There’s gotta be a better system.

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Johnny Ringo
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12/23/2025 12:51pm

Buy him a 2026 Program and tell him to study up. 

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12/23/2025 12:53pm

Idk Man i don’t think the casual fan is too concerned about who’s who if they’re only popping in a few times a year. I see the concern but I don’t think it’s really a big deal. 

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3strokemx
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12/23/2025 12:58pm

I heard in football they allow 2 people to wear the same number while on the field.  It's super confusing and probably why football isn't more popular.

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12/23/2025 12:59pm

yeah I used to like explaining that their no. is based on how they did last year but now the permanent numbering system has muddied the water...

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12/23/2025 1:02pm
brocster wrote:
yeah I used to like explaining that their no. is based on how they did last year but now the permanent numbering system has muddied the...

yeah I used to like explaining that their no. is based on how they did last year but now the permanent numbering system has muddied the water...

It never should have been changed from this.

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12/23/2025 1:09pm

My challenge/goal every year growing up from the age of like 6 was to learn everyone's new numbers. Still remember most when I see old photos all these years later. I also wouldn't have called myself casual even at a young age as moto was EVERYTHING for me back then.

Try making it a game/challenge for him and maybe he will find some fun in that each year. 

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12/23/2025 1:10pm

I don’t know man, when I was 6 all the riders got new numbers based on how his they where and it was awesome seeing all the new looks at the opening rounds. I don’t think we where any smarter back then and we figured it out pretty fast. 

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12/23/2025 1:12pm Edited Date/Time 12/23/2025 1:14pm

When I was a kid I loved seeing all of the new setups every year, including the new numbers. My dad never had to explain anything to me, I would point out to him who was who at the Detroit and Dallas rounds.

 

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12/23/2025 1:18pm

@crt32 Let me get this straight. You want the AMA to change how they number the riders because a 6 year old can't understand it? Now read that again slower to yourself.

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12/23/2025 1:22pm

The permanent numbers allow the riders to solidify their branding and succeed more financially.  I back it.  These dudes put their life on the line and if they can use their permanent number to make more money over the course of their career, they deserve it.

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12/23/2025 2:16pm

450 riders should have lower numbers than 250

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12/23/2025 2:20pm

There was a better system a long time ago. But I have bad news for you and your kid about riders keeping their numbers...

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brocster wrote:
yeah I used to like explaining that their no. is based on how they did last year but now the permanent numbering system has muddied the...

yeah I used to like explaining that their no. is based on how they did last year but now the permanent numbering system has muddied the water...

usp4u1 wrote:

It never should have been changed from this.

Way better system for the "Casual" fans, lower #'s = fast guys, 3 digit #'s = new or not so fast guys.  The "Branding" identity argument is muddy.

 # 7 James Stewart and Seven gear correct ? Nope, Plessinger.

#4, RC, The GOAT ! , Nope, Baggett, eerr wait, Sexton.  #2's been McGrath, Villopoto and Webb, and on and on.  

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12/23/2025 3:40pm
3strokemx wrote:
I heard in football they allow 2 people to wear the same number while on the field.  It's super confusing and probably why football isn't more...

I heard in football they allow 2 people to wear the same number while on the field.  It's super confusing and probably why football isn't more popular.

In college, 2 players can have the same number.  But they can't be on the field at the same time.

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12/23/2025 3:55pm

I hate the new system and always have. I loved the old system where only the number riders from the previous year rode with the number 1. Everybody else got a number based on there total points for SX and MX. Then the next year it was exciting to see how low your favorite riders numbers got. It clearly indicates how good a season they had the prior year. If your a real fan you can learn the riders new numbers.

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12/23/2025 4:13pm
3strokemx wrote:
I heard in football they allow 2 people to wear the same number while on the field.  It's super confusing and probably why football isn't more...

I heard in football they allow 2 people to wear the same number while on the field.  It's super confusing and probably why football isn't more popular.

RichieW13 wrote:

In college, 2 players can have the same number.  But they can't be on the field at the same time.

What about players from opposing teams? Can they have the same number?

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12/23/2025 4:25pm Edited Date/Time 12/23/2025 4:26pm

Learning the top 70 or so isn't that hard, but I do have difficulty remembering two-digit numbers higher than that, especially when a rider earns the same number on the same team from a different rider the year prior.

 

I could go either way on permanents, but this hybrid system is kinda silly. Also, stop counting 250SX points the same as 450SX.

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12/23/2025 4:33pm

Another thought, how many other sports cater to casual fans over the more die hard loyal fans? 

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12/23/2025 4:45pm
3strokemx wrote:
I heard in football they allow 2 people to wear the same number while on the field.  It's super confusing and probably why football isn't more...

I heard in football they allow 2 people to wear the same number while on the field.  It's super confusing and probably why football isn't more popular.

Doesn't that game* start with a man touching another man in the ass area? 

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12/23/2025 5:11pm
mattyhamz2 wrote:
My challenge/goal every year growing up from the age of like 6 was to learn everyone's new numbers. Still remember most when I see old photos...

My challenge/goal every year growing up from the age of like 6 was to learn everyone's new numbers. Still remember most when I see old photos all these years later. I also wouldn't have called myself casual even at a young age as moto was EVERYTHING for me back then.

Try making it a game/challenge for him and maybe he will find some fun in that each year. 

Same for me Matty.  Actually found it fun and think career numbers are dumb for the reasons Sumdood explained. Down vote away.  Happy Holidays!

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KurtJ99
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12/23/2025 5:59pm

I like the permanent numbering system and branding, and I've been watching before and after the change. However, I do agree with OP that maybe there should be some stabilization of the earned numbers year over year. Something like a 3 year hold on a number (i.e. Prado as "70") even if not a permanent number to enable the casual (or forgetful fan like me) to not have to school up each year on every rider without a permanent number. Yes, I can buy a program, I can look it up as #'s change year over year. A multi-year window on number change gives a rider a few years to earn a permanent number. If a rider earns a permanent number and wants to bump someone else (who has the # they want) in the 3 year window who doesn't have a permanent number, that's OK with me. Also, riders like Vialle with permanent number 16, I'd like that as long as he is racing in MXGP or AMA (or WSX??) that perhaps he'd get a 3-5 year hold on the number, so if they come back it's not a reset - more like a homecoming - even if not a US citizen. I'm still OK with the toggling between #1 and career number as mandatory. 

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Not sure the ama will change their whole numbering system to appease 6 year olds 

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crt32
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12/23/2025 9:03pm
El_Rayo wrote:

Not sure the ama will change their whole numbering system to appease 6 year olds 

Quick, without looking tell me the number of all of Stars Riders for 2026. Some of yall are missing the point of the post, it has very little to do with a 6 year old. 

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12/24/2025 12:09am

there are zero casual fans… never have been never will be! 

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12/24/2025 12:26am Edited Date/Time 12/24/2025 12:27am
3strokemx wrote:
I heard in football they allow 2 people to wear the same number while on the field.  It's super confusing and probably why football isn't more...

I heard in football they allow 2 people to wear the same number while on the field.  It's super confusing and probably why football isn't more popular.

They can’t be on the field at the same time. 

12/24/2025 3:13am

I like that the previous champion needs to run number 1. But id like the top 3 from last season to run 1-3. I think thats more meaningful to the casual fan. You have an idea of who the top dogs should be. 

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crt32
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12/24/2025 6:03am

Another thought, how many other sports cater to casual fans over the more die hard loyal fans? 

I'm a diehard fan and I cant tell you what number for 2026 Schock, Mosiman, Davies, any of Star Yamaha, Masterpool, Prado, Marchbanks, Forkner, Clason, the list goes on and on. That's terrible for a marketing perspective. 

Racing has to be about ROI for sponsors. Imagine Home Depot sponsoring Schock in 2025, they build out marketing material hang it around the store, advertise around it, then in 2026 Schock has a new number and fans show up at the races excited to see him but cant point him out to their friends or kid because they dont see the familiar number.

Companies spend millions on logos and brand recognition. They do not change their logo or name every year. Numbers are the brand for racers. Nowadays an instagram handle is a brand and you cant use your number in it if it constantly changes. 

There needs to be a better system for longer term numbers where riders and sponsors can brand themselves to hardcore and casual fans and also sponsors.

This sport is terrible at ROI for sponsors and why many relatable companies dont dump money into the sport. 

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lumpy790
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12/24/2025 8:11am

Kids are quick to remember the new numbers ….. us old guys? Not so quick. 😂

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12/24/2025 8:12am

Meanwhile in MXGP it’s just whatever number you want. But I guess that works because there’s only 20 or so guys. 

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