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Anyone notice it at wsx?? He also mentioned he cooked his clutches in race 1 and 2 pretty impressive in 8 laps! 
Looked good for his debut but has alot of work/refining to do to run with the full 450 lineup imo. 

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11/9/2025 1:08am Edited Date/Time 11/9/2025 1:08am

He was over riding, which is to be expected at this very early stage, no doubt he was excited. But not even Tomac wouldn’t cook a clutch in those conditions in eight laps. 
However he showed speed and if he can smooth it out, he’ll be competitive. Biggest question for me is how long that process takes?

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11/9/2025 2:31am
CPR wrote:
He was over riding, which is to be expected at this very early stage, no doubt he was excited. But not even Tomac wouldn’t cook a...

He was over riding, which is to be expected at this very early stage, no doubt he was excited. But not even Tomac wouldn’t cook a clutch in those conditions in eight laps. 
However he showed speed and if he can smooth it out, he’ll be competitive. Biggest question for me is how long that process takes?

Yes, it is his first 450 race, but I personally was expecting him to battle with Roczen and not be a top 5 guy. Every corner, he was blowing berms and was pretty sketchy in few occasions. He will clean his riding style, but like you said, has a lot of work to be done. Fortunately, he will first race MX with 450 as he isn't ready for SX at the moment.

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If you can kill a clutch in 8 laps, can you even ride? 

Thats on him, just abuse, dont even think about ' we had a bad batch' bullshit. 

Meanwhile Kenny probably still has the same clutch in from last year. 

 

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B Gotti
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11/9/2025 3:06am

I thought I had seen he's using a hydraulic clutch? 

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11/9/2025 3:57am
philG wrote:
If you can kill a clutch in 8 laps, can you even ride? Thats on him, just abuse, dont even think about ' we had a bad...

If you can kill a clutch in 8 laps, can you even ride? 

Thats on him, just abuse, dont even think about ' we had a bad batch' bullshit. 

Meanwhile Kenny probably still has the same clutch in from last year. 

 

Pretty surprised he smoked it on such a slick track. He has a lot of work if he wants to hang with Jett.

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11/9/2025 4:19am
philG wrote:
If you can kill a clutch in 8 laps, can you even ride? Thats on him, just abuse, dont even think about ' we had a bad...

If you can kill a clutch in 8 laps, can you even ride? 

Thats on him, just abuse, dont even think about ' we had a bad batch' bullshit. 

Meanwhile Kenny probably still has the same clutch in from last year. 

 

Pretty surprised he smoked it on such a slick track. He has a lot of work if he wants to hang with Jett.

He wanted to at least sound fast. 

It's ok saying 'well its his first race', if he has been riding like this in training and not been told he is doing it wrong, then the team needs to have a word, and if he hasnt, but decided slipping the clutch to death was suddenly going to make him faster, the same thing applies.  

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11/9/2025 4:22am

He was asking way too much out of the bike for the conditions.  Spinning the wheel and swapping coming out of almost every corner without much drive at all.  It was super slick and seemed like a pain in the ass for all of them, but Haiden didn’t even try to adapt it didn’t look like.  He just kept dumping the clutch and losing the rear end blowing out berms and tough blocks. 

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11/9/2025 4:43am

Lotta Gary Bailey’s in here 

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Lotta Gary Bailey’s in here 

Yup..  i dont even need to be any good , to see that he isnt doing it right. 

You never go faster by trying to look like you are going faster . 

 

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11/9/2025 5:03am

Lotta Gary Bailey’s in here 

philG wrote:
Yup..  i dont even need to be any good , to see that he isnt doing it right. You never go faster by trying to look like...

Yup..  i dont even need to be any good , to see that he isnt doing it right. 

You never go faster by trying to look like you are going faster . 

 

Why would your name have to be Gary to see it? 
 

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11/9/2025 5:14am Edited Date/Time 11/9/2025 5:19am

Lotta Gary Bailey’s in here 

Or Gary Semics

You don’t have to be either of those guys to see that Roczen was carrying momentum annd keeping roll speed up instead of hammering and going a lot faster in those conditions.

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11/9/2025 5:29am

If you are not used to 450 power, maybe you don't adjust it in time, and ride with some slippage because you still have so much more power than on the 250.

 

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11/9/2025 6:09am
philG wrote:
If you can kill a clutch in 8 laps, can you even ride? Thats on him, just abuse, dont even think about ' we had a bad...

If you can kill a clutch in 8 laps, can you even ride? 

Thats on him, just abuse, dont even think about ' we had a bad batch' bullshit. 

Meanwhile Kenny probably still has the same clutch in from last year. 

 

Do you even use a clutch in supermoto?

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11/9/2025 6:15am

Lotta Gary Bailey’s in here 

I like Haiden, but the consensus isn't wrong.  That wasn't a throttle heavy track.

Required more Pourcel, less Barcia.

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11/9/2025 6:25am

Coming off a 250f and having to completely change your riding style by the first race is a little overzealous. These WSX races without having any pressure will apply enough race condition pressure, like having to come from the back, to have some great teachable moments for the rookie 

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11/9/2025 7:38am

When Tomac does it it’s cool af but when Deegan does it he doesn’t know how to ride a dirtbike.

Also, of course he didn’t compete with Roczen. It’s Ken Fucking Roczen. Deegan has a couple years before he can get to Ken’s level. That goes for Jett an Eli as well.

He’ll be a solid top 7 guy for the first year on 450s.

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11/9/2025 7:45am
B Gotti wrote:

I thought I had seen he's using a hydraulic clutch? 

He was on Hydraulic and at some point during the night switched to cable. Maybe the last moto to see if he could fix the problem? 

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11/9/2025 7:59am
shortty761 wrote:
When Tomac does it it’s cool af but when Deegan does it he doesn’t know how to ride a dirtbike.Also, of course he didn’t compete with...

When Tomac does it it’s cool af but when Deegan does it he doesn’t know how to ride a dirtbike.

Also, of course he didn’t compete with Roczen. It’s Ken Fucking Roczen. Deegan has a couple years before he can get to Ken’s level. That goes for Jett an Eli as well.

He’ll be a solid top 7 guy for the first year on 450s.

No one said it’s cool when Tomac does it. However I can only recall Tomac smoking a clutch outdoors and/or in heavy conditions. Deegan smoked his in 4 minutes. Kind of a big difference.

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11/9/2025 9:07am
aees wrote:
If you are not used to 450 power, maybe you don't adjust it in time, and ride with some slippage because you still have so much...

If you are not used to 450 power, maybe you don't adjust it in time, and ride with some slippage because you still have so much more power than on the 250.

 

Was this his first ever ride on a 450?

 

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11/9/2025 9:15am
POWLEY256 wrote:
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When’s someone gonna come out and say,”Deeg’s is riding Tomac’s bike!”…? 🤣

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11/9/2025 9:17am
aees wrote:
If you are not used to 450 power, maybe you don't adjust it in time, and ride with some slippage because you still have so much...

If you are not used to 450 power, maybe you don't adjust it in time, and ride with some slippage because you still have so much more power than on the 250.

 

captmoto wrote:

Was this his first ever ride on a 450?

 

it was his first race on a 450

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11/9/2025 9:45am
shortty761 wrote:
When Tomac does it it’s cool af but when Deegan does it he doesn’t know how to ride a dirtbike.Also, of course he didn’t compete with...

When Tomac does it it’s cool af but when Deegan does it he doesn’t know how to ride a dirtbike.

Also, of course he didn’t compete with Roczen. It’s Ken Fucking Roczen. Deegan has a couple years before he can get to Ken’s level. That goes for Jett an Eli as well.

He’ll be a solid top 7 guy for the first year on 450s.

No one said it’s cool when Tomac does it. However I can only recall Tomac smoking a clutch outdoors and/or in heavy conditions. Deegan smoked his...

No one said it’s cool when Tomac does it. However I can only recall Tomac smoking a clutch outdoors and/or in heavy conditions. Deegan smoked his in 4 minutes. Kind of a big difference.

I remember watching in person tomac smoke a clutch in a heat race at Nashville sx back when he was on kawi.

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11/9/2025 10:08am
B Gotti wrote:

I thought I had seen he's using a hydraulic clutch? 

CH112 wrote:

He was on Hydraulic and at some point during the night switched to cable. Maybe the last moto to see if he could fix the problem? 

He confirmed that in the after race interview.

He said he lost his clutch completely in Motos 1 and 2, with the lever reaching the bars.

They switched to cable for Moto 3.

 

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11/9/2025 10:54am
philG wrote:
If you can kill a clutch in 8 laps, can you even ride? Thats on him, just abuse, dont even think about ' we had a bad...

If you can kill a clutch in 8 laps, can you even ride? 

Thats on him, just abuse, dont even think about ' we had a bad batch' bullshit. 

Meanwhile Kenny probably still has the same clutch in from last year. 

 

Do you even use a clutch in supermoto?

Only into the turns, dont even have a slipper clutch.  

But in 50 years, i never had a clutch go away, let alone 8 laps. 

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11/9/2025 6:22pm

Maybe he didn't really fry the clutch in those races.

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11/9/2025 6:27pm
philG wrote:
If you can kill a clutch in 8 laps, can you even ride? Thats on him, just abuse, dont even think about ' we had a bad...

If you can kill a clutch in 8 laps, can you even ride? 

Thats on him, just abuse, dont even think about ' we had a bad batch' bullshit. 

Meanwhile Kenny probably still has the same clutch in from last year. 

 

Do you even use a clutch in supermoto?

philG wrote:

Only into the turns, dont even have a slipper clutch.  

But in 50 years, i never had a clutch go away, let alone 8 laps. 

In those 50 years did you ever podium in your 450 SX debut?

Apparently HD should take lessons from someone "that can ride"

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11/9/2025 7:03pm

Not a fan of or a hater but he rode a lot more aggressive than I’d imagine the first two mains. Ngl he had what the kids call “aura”. But Kenny just put in his laps almost mistake free minus the whoops last main. Was fun to watch but is not exactly how to win. 

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11/9/2025 7:16pm

Do you even use a clutch in supermoto?

philG wrote:

Only into the turns, dont even have a slipper clutch.  

But in 50 years, i never had a clutch go away, let alone 8 laps. 

Axlnut_KM3 wrote:

In those 50 years did you ever podium in your 450 SX debut?

Apparently HD should take lessons from someone "that can ride"

Welcome to vital mx forums, most of these clowns have never put a leg over a bike and have zero clue wtf they are talking about. HD has the best team in the business around him if there’s something to improve on they’ll get it done. 

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