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I’ve seen several “sources” including photos circulating without credibility and comments sections on every part of the web that moto parts have or will be manufactured in china if it can be done cheaper.
Does ANYONE have credible, citable sources on whether or not this is true?
Do you still have doubts about this? They don't use parts made in China on any of their motorcycles.
This is true of almost any industry. Lowest cost wins. If not China anymore because of tariffs, its going to somebody like Mexico, Vietnam, Thailand etc.
The radiators are made in China. It says right on them. That isn’t necessarily a bad thing. They seem to be stronger than what is on a Japanese bike (probably also made in China)
Kymco cylinders are made in Taiwan. Does that count?
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Why would a random factory in China invest in tooling to produce crankshafts for KTM 85's? They don't even have KTM 85's in China.
Unless of course the OEM is sharing the specifications and a promise to buy enough to make it profitable for the factory.
Wonder what % of parts are the same?
https://motorcyclesports.net/motogp/ktms-shocking-transformation-ceo-declares-if-i-find-a-cheaper-part-in-china-ill-buy-it/
Found a cool Cherco too.
I saw a credible picture of the new 2-stroke Kawasaki on the internet, its all true! Oh, and Jett's comments on gays too! There was a picture and comments so its all true!
This is exactly what I’m not looking for.
Im looking for clarification from actual credible sources.
Food for thought: a friend of mine owns a company that uses lots of CNC machined aluminium parts in his finished products. They've been machining their own parts for a long time since they are crucial to them and need tight tolerances to work properly.
He keeps a close eye on his chinese counterparts and told me "For a long time, they produced crap. In the last ten years, they've come to build very good parts, beautifully finished, and are selling them way cheaper than I ever could. It's a good thing we still have a little edge on original engineering, but if they keep on being massively supported by the chinese state and copying everything without paying a euro to the guys who imagined/developped the original concepts, it won't last."
I guess he's not the only one.
If a Made In China origin mark on a KTM Hardpart isn't enough proof for you, then I need you on my jury. Not Guilty!!! Free 3STROKEMX!
It was a strategic move by the Chinese govt.
Here's a summary of how China closed the Technology (and wealth) gap in a short time and became the global manufacturing leader.
China was once the world's leading nation in technology, around 1000-1500AD but lost their position for many different reasons. One reason I find interesting was the British pushing opium to the Chinese, leading to wealth transfer and degradation of the Chinese working class.
The Chinese govt eventually had a plan to leverage their huge population and natural resources to attract manufacturing by western countries.
As a central govt they could facilitate and finance plans to attract new manufacturing for 2 main reasons.
Low Cost: They pegged the Yen to the US Dollar, the only international currency with price pegged to another nation's currency, which guarantees the labor and operating costs in China will be favorable to attract new manufacturing from firms selling the US.
Market Growth: As new business streams in, so does wealth. This entices business as they get early access to a HUGE new market that will buy their goods. Imagine Volkswagon CEO's salivating as they have a new market, bigger than Europe and the US Combined, where noone has a car but virtually overnight they all need cars?
This article says China adds 380 new (USD) millionaires EVERY DAY!
I think what he's saying is that picture looks like it has seen the miles around the internet and who knows the origin or authenticity. If you bought those parts at your KTM dealer and took the picture yourself, that would be more credible.
I can confirm that KTM radiators are made in China. I have ordered direct from dealer and it’s right on the box. My buddy is the parts manager and says that there are lots of KTM parts that are sourced from China, as well as other brands as well. This is 100% Fact !
Not hard to find proof lol!
https://pankl.com/racing/en/company/locations/dalian/
Maybe we just solved why Sexton and Vialles shocks were fading.
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Every major OEM is getting parts made in China.
Top Aerospace companies are making parts in China.
What matters is the quality process they are made to.
It's getting really hard to avoid using China. So many US manufacturers have folded, focused on a niche market, or specialize in products where you're paying for the intellectual Property, not the physical item. Sheet metal is still easy to get here, probably because the weight to size ratio isn't conducive to shipping. Heat exchangers are getting difficult domestically.
Nearly everything in this post is based off Chinese propaganda.... somebody needs some c-milk/laowhy86 in their lives...
Which parts are propaganda?
Besides the WP and Neken components all of it is made in India or china
There ya go
There’s a widespread misconception that products made in China are inherently low quality. In reality, Chinese manufacturers have the capability to produce high-end, precision-engineered goods—such as a fully billet titanium bike with 24k gold valves and exotic materials like moon rock for foot pegs—if that’s what the commissioning company specifies. Quality depends on the client’s requirements, not the country of manufacture.
For example, if a company like KTM instructed a Chinese manufacturer, “Build our bikes but reduce the cost of radiators and hose clamps by 25%,” the manufacturer would meet those exact specifications. Chinese factories are highly adaptable, capable of delivering both premium and cost-optimized products based on the client’s design and budget.
Setting aside discussions of politics and human rights, Chinese manufacturing is driven by client demands and can achieve exceptional quality when directed to do so.
The Yen is Japan, not China. Chinese currency is the Yuan. It hasn’t been pegged to the dollar for two decades. Pegging currency is extremely common monetary policy in developing countries. China isn’t the only country to do it. I’d check where you’re hearing this stuff because it’s almost all wrong
In defense of 3stroke, he's not very smart. 🤣
A blurry pic of what that came from where? That’s not a source that’s a random picture on the internet
Where’s the photo from? Who took it? What’s in the box? Citing sources means you can explain where it came from and show a source. You posted a blurry picture that says made in china.
Agreed, if you're large enough. Especially if you can have people camped out. But, if I want a documented revision controlled cleaning process for a bonded joint that's passed V&V and I'm a medium sized manufacturer, they'll either tell me to pound sand or say they have a propriety process they can't divulge. In reality, they may clean the parts, they may not. When they do clean them, it will probably be different each time. Process documentation is a paradigm shift. Companies like Apple have dragged manufacturers along with this, but medium to small Chinese manufacturers are still kicking and screaming.
I read this book a few months ago, looks like it was printed in 2006 though 😁
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