AMA being weak.

dog_lover_136 9/21/2025 2:30pm
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I've said in here a few times AMA is a clown show. Forever inconsistent. Every penalty they give out is situational. They just make it up...

I've said in here a few times AMA is a clown show. Forever inconsistent. Every penalty they give out is situational. They just make it up as they go along. 

And remember a few years ago there was frustration from penalised riders/teams because AMA would then use the footage for promotion? They'll probably do the same here. They're ridiculous 

Feld uses the footage for promotion, they still do, it’s not the ama doing that, it’s the promoter.

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dingaling 9/21/2025 2:37pm
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dog_lover_136 wrote:

Feld uses the footage for promotion, they still do, it’s not the ama doing that, it’s the promoter.

Ah ok fair enough. 

It still shows the amateur-ish circus operation they've got going. 

I'm not one for more rules and regulation but at least be consistent with the ones you've got.

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dog_lover_136 9/21/2025 3:06pm
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Ah ok fair enough. It still shows the amateur-ish circus operation they've got going. I'm not one for more rules and regulation but at least be consistent with...

Ah ok fair enough. 

It still shows the amateur-ish circus operation they've got going. 

I'm not one for more rules and regulation but at least be consistent with the ones you've got.

I agree

startbuttonarmpump 9/21/2025 3:23pm
9/21/2025 3:23pm

Vehicular assault is a felony in many states.  It appears to me, that young Mr. Deegan could be charged with a crime. What about that AMA?

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dog_lover_136 9/21/2025 3:25pm
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Vehicular assault is a felony in many states.  It appears to me, that young Mr. Deegan could be charged with a crime. What about that AMA?

If this is the case, Barcia and Friese should have many years in jail for all that they’ve done.

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startbuttonarmpump 9/21/2025 3:31pm
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startbuttonarmpump wrote:

Vehicular assault is a felony in many states.  It appears to me, that young Mr. Deegan could be charged with a crime. What about that AMA?

dog_lover_136 wrote:

If this is the case, Barcia and Friese should have many years in jail for all that they’ve done.

Either way, it appears to fit the definition. 

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startbuttonarmpump wrote:

Vehicular assault is a felony in many states.  It appears to me, that young Mr. Deegan could be charged with a crime. What about that AMA?

dog_lover_136 wrote:

If this is the case, Barcia and Friese should have many years in jail for all that they’ve done.

startbuttonarmpump wrote:

Either way, it appears to fit the definition. 

Intent seemed pretty obvious. 

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Not sure but I think the 5 point penalty would have secured Deegs the championship still if Jo taken out. Penalty seems insufficient to discourage the...

Not sure but I think the 5 point penalty would have secured Deegs the championship still if Jo taken out. Penalty seems insufficient to discourage the behavior, but maybe it’s the rule book?

Hammaker would have won the championship. Unless deegs took him out of the race as well...

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So it’s okay for Kitchen to go after and take Deegan out with no care if he hurts him, all of you think it’s not ok for Deegan to take Shimota out because he might hurt him, you fucking hypocrites, Barcia and Anderson and Zach Osborne have done it many times, why you hate this kid so much is fucked up!! 

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dingaling wrote:
I've said in here a few times AMA is a clown show. Forever inconsistent. Every penalty they give out is situational. They just make it up...

I've said in here a few times AMA is a clown show. Forever inconsistent. Every penalty they give out is situational. They just make it up as they go along. 

And remember a few years ago there was frustration from penalised riders/teams because AMA would then use the footage for promotion? They'll probably do the same here. They're ridiculous 

dog_lover_136 wrote:

Feld uses the footage for promotion, they still do, it’s not the ama doing that, it’s the promoter.

idk why u got downvoted for this , but this right here 👍🏾 ppl gotta educate themselves on the govern body tht make the rules & regulations to the promoter tht show shit like tht to gain an audience & traction to the product , this is how mainstream professional sports organizations is 

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dog_lover_136 9/21/2025 9:31pm
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stewie94 wrote:
idk why u got downvoted for this , but this right here 👍🏾 ppl gotta educate themselves on the govern body tht make the rules &...

idk why u got downvoted for this , but this right here 👍🏾 ppl gotta educate themselves on the govern body tht make the rules & regulations to the promoter tht show shit like tht to gain an audience & traction to the product , this is how mainstream professional sports organizations is 

I don’t know why either, but it’s the truth, and i’m not scared of downvotes anymore. I agree with everything you said, except the rule book becuase that thing is 400+ pages and I barely remember a single rule after it was mentioned on the broadcast. 😂

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Tokyo_Tiddler 9/21/2025 11:16pm
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So who at AMA do we email to protest their egregious decision making around not black flagging a reckless rider deliberately endangering other riders, and the meaningless penalty given to Deegan who was already on probation which means that the penalty should be worse because he was already on probation. He deliberately swerved into 3 different riders in moto 2 and so many times into Shimoda that AMA had plenty of time to notice what was happening. This is the most unprofessional racing I have ever seen and a rider deliberately trying to injure his competition. Deegan's AMA license needs to be pulled for a period. Not applying a proper penalty will only encourage this reckless behavior. Anyone have the email of relevant AMA officials?

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dog_lover_136 9/21/2025 11:19pm
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Tokyo_Tiddler wrote:
So who at AMA do we email to protest their egregious decision making around not black flagging a reckless rider deliberately endangering other riders, and the...

So who at AMA do we email to protest their egregious decision making around not black flagging a reckless rider deliberately endangering other riders, and the meaningless penalty given to Deegan who was already on probation which means that the penalty should be worse because he was already on probation. He deliberately swerved into 3 different riders in moto 2 and so many times into Shimoda that AMA had plenty of time to notice what was happening. This is the most unprofessional racing I have ever seen and a rider deliberately trying to injure his competition. Deegan's AMA license needs to be pulled for a period. Not applying a proper penalty will only encourage this reckless behavior. Anyone have the email of relevant AMA officials?

Guess you haven’t heard of two people named Justin Barcia and Vince Friese? Not excusing haidens actions, he didn’t need to play those dumb games, hope he can learn from this. But, i’ve seen many more takeouts from barcia and friese, according to some peoples logic, if haiden should be arrested, barcia and vince should be in jail for many years. The ricky, james and chad battles even got aggressive, but this compared to those and barcia and friese is bottom of the list. It’s for a title, everyone is going to race hard for the title.

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Tokyo_Tiddler 9/21/2025 11:25pm
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Tokyo_Tiddler wrote:
So who at AMA do we email to protest their egregious decision making around not black flagging a reckless rider deliberately endangering other riders, and the...

So who at AMA do we email to protest their egregious decision making around not black flagging a reckless rider deliberately endangering other riders, and the meaningless penalty given to Deegan who was already on probation which means that the penalty should be worse because he was already on probation. He deliberately swerved into 3 different riders in moto 2 and so many times into Shimoda that AMA had plenty of time to notice what was happening. This is the most unprofessional racing I have ever seen and a rider deliberately trying to injure his competition. Deegan's AMA license needs to be pulled for a period. Not applying a proper penalty will only encourage this reckless behavior. Anyone have the email of relevant AMA officials?

dog_lover_136 wrote:
Guess you haven’t heard of two people named Justin Barcia and Vince Friese? Not excusing haidens actions, he didn’t need to play those dumb games, hope...

Guess you haven’t heard of two people named Justin Barcia and Vince Friese? Not excusing haidens actions, he didn’t need to play those dumb games, hope he can learn from this. But, i’ve seen many more takeouts from barcia and friese, according to some peoples logic, if haiden should be arrested, barcia and vince should be in jail for many years. The ricky, james and chad battles even got aggressive, but this compared to those and barcia and friese is bottom of the list. It’s for a title, everyone is going to race hard for the title.

No where near the same thing.. not even close.  Barcia and Friese have made really dumb, overly agressive moves in a race, but I have never seen either slow down and deliberately swerve into multiple-riders in a single race.

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Not hillbilly 9/21/2025 11:36pm
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I can’t remember which AMA is in charge. Is it AMA Pro Racing? I think the people really in charge are in the SMX League. And they aren’t going to do anything to piss off the sponsors and broadcast partners. That circus last night was just what they wanted, and the slap on the wrist penalty guarantees something like it will happen again.

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dog_lover_136 9/22/2025 12:21am
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I can’t remember which AMA is in charge. Is it AMA Pro Racing? I think the people really in charge are in the SMX League. And...

I can’t remember which AMA is in charge. Is it AMA Pro Racing? I think the people really in charge are in the SMX League. And they aren’t going to do anything to piss off the sponsors and broadcast partners. That circus last night was just what they wanted, and the slap on the wrist penalty guarantees something like it will happen again.

AMA is in charge of all the rules for all three series. Feld are the promoters for sx, they don’t make the rules, mx sports are promoters for mx, I don’t think they make the rules, and whoever the heck is the promoter of smx doesn’t make the rules, the ama does.

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Tokyo_Tiddler wrote:
So who at AMA do we email to protest their egregious decision making around not black flagging a reckless rider deliberately endangering other riders, and the...

So who at AMA do we email to protest their egregious decision making around not black flagging a reckless rider deliberately endangering other riders, and the meaningless penalty given to Deegan who was already on probation which means that the penalty should be worse because he was already on probation. He deliberately swerved into 3 different riders in moto 2 and so many times into Shimoda that AMA had plenty of time to notice what was happening. This is the most unprofessional racing I have ever seen and a rider deliberately trying to injure his competition. Deegan's AMA license needs to be pulled for a period. Not applying a proper penalty will only encourage this reckless behavior. Anyone have the email of relevant AMA officials?

I would think Mike Pelletier seeing as he's the AMA Director of Racing. 

mpelletier@ama-cycle.org 

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Tokyo_Tiddler 9/22/2025 12:42am
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Chat GPT:

The SuperMotocross World Championship (SMX) is jointly sanctioned and governed by:

Feld Motor Sports – which runs Monster Energy AMA Supercross

MX Sports Pro Racing – which runs the Pro Motocross Championship

Both organizations came together in 2022 to create the unified SuperMotocross World Championship.

The actual sanctioning body on the sporting side is the AMA (American Motorcyclist Association), which provides the official rulebook, rider licensing, and oversight.

👉 So in short:

Promoters: Feld Motor Sports + MX Sports Pro Racing

Sanctioning body: AMA (American Motorcyclist Association)

👉 Summary:

AMA = rules + sanction + fairness

Feld = Supercross stadiums + TV

MX Sports = Motocross outdoors + tracks

SMX = both join forces for playoffs & world title

The decision to penalize Haiden Deegan 5 championship points came from the AMA (American Motorcyclist Association) Competition Officials, since the AMA is the sanctioning body for both Supercross and Pro Motocross (and by extension SuperMotocross).

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Tokyo_Tiddler 9/22/2025 1:10am
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Tokyo_Tiddler wrote:
So who at AMA do we email to protest their egregious decision making around not black flagging a reckless rider deliberately endangering other riders, and the...

So who at AMA do we email to protest their egregious decision making around not black flagging a reckless rider deliberately endangering other riders, and the meaningless penalty given to Deegan who was already on probation which means that the penalty should be worse because he was already on probation. He deliberately swerved into 3 different riders in moto 2 and so many times into Shimoda that AMA had plenty of time to notice what was happening. This is the most unprofessional racing I have ever seen and a rider deliberately trying to injure his competition. Deegan's AMA license needs to be pulled for a period. Not applying a proper penalty will only encourage this reckless behavior. Anyone have the email of relevant AMA officials?

-MAVERICK- wrote:

I would think Mike Pelletier seeing as he's the AMA Director of Racing. 

mpelletier@ama-cycle.org 

Thanks.  I think Mike Pelletier is the right one. I just sent an email to him.

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mxjeff575 9/22/2025 5:54am
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Tokyo_Tiddler wrote:
So who at AMA do we email to protest their egregious decision making around not black flagging a reckless rider deliberately endangering other riders, and the...

So who at AMA do we email to protest their egregious decision making around not black flagging a reckless rider deliberately endangering other riders, and the meaningless penalty given to Deegan who was already on probation which means that the penalty should be worse because he was already on probation. He deliberately swerved into 3 different riders in moto 2 and so many times into Shimoda that AMA had plenty of time to notice what was happening. This is the most unprofessional racing I have ever seen and a rider deliberately trying to injure his competition. Deegan's AMA license needs to be pulled for a period. Not applying a proper penalty will only encourage this reckless behavior. Anyone have the email of relevant AMA officials?

-MAVERICK- wrote:

I would think Mike Pelletier seeing as he's the AMA Director of Racing. 

mpelletier@ama-cycle.org 

Tokyo_Tiddler wrote:

Thanks.  I think Mike Pelletier is the right one. I just sent an email to him.

Just sent an e-mail.  Hopefully if the AMA hears from enough people they will consider actually doing something.

mpelletier@ama-cycle.org

Mike – I simply wanted to express my opinion and appreciate the opportunity to do so.  I have watched and participated in motocross for 45 years.  The demolition derby that we saw the other night is not good for the sport.  Please issue an actual punishment for the egregious violation.  "Rubbin is racing" is 2 guys going for the same spot of real estate.  What we saw the other night was true demolition derby (swerving, hitting, targeting).  

Thank you !!

 

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Chris_Buehler 9/22/2025 6:41am
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So it’s okay for Kitchen to go after and take Deegan out with no care if he hurts him, all of you think it’s not ok...

So it’s okay for Kitchen to go after and take Deegan out with no care if he hurts him, all of you think it’s not ok for Deegan to take Shimota out because he might hurt him, you fucking hypocrites, Barcia and Anderson and Zach Osborne have done it many times, why you hate this kid so much is fucked up!! 

Grow up, for fucks sake. You sound like literal children. "But he did it first!" Levi tried a stupid move that didn't work out last week. Yes, he did. Haiden could have accepted what happened like a man instead he choose to have a meltdown and we got what we got Saturday.  His mental game is talked up so much but I feel like we saw some chinks in the armor. He's so used to winning everything going his way, when it didn't we got a complete breakdown. How is he going to deal with adversity in a 450 class filled with killers? 

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WFO Dave 9/22/2025 7:34am
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Motofinne wrote:
Once Deegan does the second takeout move the black flag should’ve been thrown out. The probability of Shimoda being the one down with a broken collarbone...

Once Deegan does the second takeout move the black flag should’ve been thrown out. The probability of Shimoda being the one down with a broken collarbone was just as big as Deegan.


The lack of officiating made the sport look like a circus yet again.

 There is one thing that will get the attention of the AMA/FELD/Sponsors etc. Hit them in the pocketbook. THOR sponsored the Metal Mulisha clothing, STAR/Yamaha sponsored the rider and the antics The AMA gave out the joke of a penalty. . If they all stopped receiving money from us, the public it would change in a minute. Fact.

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mx295 9/22/2025 7:55am
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I thought J-Bone works for the AMA for situations like this?

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Is the 5 points tripled to 15? Because 5 points for a dozen illegal takeout attempts is nothing.

The point were supposed to be triple, yes, they said it on TV

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Gimmea2Smoke 9/22/2025 10:38am
9/22/2025 10:38am

another random theory/suggestion - let's say Deegs pulls a torpedo and Jo is out of the race. Jo sues Deegs for the $500k he would have won but didn't cause Deegs broke the rule. Crazy? Sounds crazy, but is it completely out of the realm of possibility?? I get the Savatgy last corner type stuff, but if it's OBVIOUS someone is pulling moves like Deegs, could Jo seek compensation?

Just spitballin'.........

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Talon 9/22/2025 12:15pm
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You guys are dorks. I for one am tired of the AMA getting involved for every fucking block pass that happens. Im glad the AMA doesnt...

You guys are dorks. I for one am tired of the AMA getting involved for every fucking block pass that happens. Im glad the AMA doesnt rule over MXGP. De Wolf would have been docked 85 points and banned from racing had they seen what he did in moto 2. 

Bonanza69 wrote:

What are you talking about?A lot of your US heros could learn something from Kay!Kay was racing forward,Deegs backward,and he didn‘t finish on the ground.

I agree with this. I guess i dont care about Deegans tactics. Its entertaining. I was yelling and having a great time and was pumped for Jo having the smarts to fend him off. I guess all you guys just wanted a boring ass race where Deegan ran off with win and Jo rode around to secure second. 

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Unless I completely misheard what was being discussed in the Steve/JT/Weege recap pod, it sounds like the rules on punishments for offenses have no wiggle room. So it was going to be only 5 championship points regardless of whether Deegz was or was not able to accomplish his plan to take Jo out of contention. This year alone gave us A LOT of gray areas (track cutting, Jett's gate jump, etc.). 

Regardless, the AMA should have had the balls to black flag Deegz in Vegas. I'd love to hear their reasoning on why it wasn't when it was blatantly obvious to everyone watching what was going on.

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Trickamoto 9/22/2025 12:29pm
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Motofinne wrote:
Once Deegan does the second takeout move the black flag should’ve been thrown out. The probability of Shimoda being the one down with a broken collarbone...

Once Deegan does the second takeout move the black flag should’ve been thrown out. The probability of Shimoda being the one down with a broken collarbone was just as big as Deegan.


The lack of officiating made the sport look like a circus yet again.

Woke as a joke! barf!

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Dirty Points 9/22/2025 12:56pm
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Im sure Brian and Tim Cotter had a discussion with the AMA about it. 😜

The last time Brian and Tim were in a room discussing the rules, didn't they end up group intimidating some kid without any parents present?

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nadeauracing229 9/22/2025 1:10pm
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Motofinne wrote:
Once Deegan does the second takeout move the black flag should’ve been thrown out. The probability of Shimoda being the one down with a broken collarbone...

Once Deegan does the second takeout move the black flag should’ve been thrown out. The probability of Shimoda being the one down with a broken collarbone was just as big as Deegan.


The lack of officiating made the sport look like a circus yet again.

I thought it was awesome.

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