Kitchen taking it to Deegan

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No issues, I just got really wound up about it obviously. Levi looked foolish to me. It robbed us of watching a potential battle between Jo...

No issues, I just got really wound up about it obviously. Levi looked foolish to me. It robbed us of watching a potential battle between Jo and Haiden as well. I was all about this series the first year. It was awesome racing with awesome venues. Last year seemed like a letdown from that and the first two races of this the third year have stunk imho and that debacle was like icing on the cake for me. Might as well be called AverageMediorcrecross at this point. Yes, I think the media is lame and the sport needs to recognize how luke warm the reporting is. I also admit to being a Haiden fan (again obviously) and the hate in here for a kid that has breathed life into things the last couple of years baffles me. Do Vitards want everyone to be polite, corporate shills that speak in dulcet tones about their competitors or do they want some controversy and rivalries? This community is so fickle it baffles me sometimes Wink  

I don’t think it has so much to do with him not being a corporate shill and more so with him just saying retarded shit. Oh and hanging out with Jack Doherty and Jake Paul, two cancers to society. 

Kids fast as fuck on a dirt bike though, can’t deny that. 

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I agree that Haiden seems to have taken it in stride. Too bad we don't have some media in this sport capable of asking and reporting...

I agree that Haiden seems to have taken it in stride. Too bad we don't have some media in this sport capable of asking and reporting it to us. Wink

Dude, you have issues apparently.  Antonovich left the race early to try and catch Deegan or Levi after the race.  He was not there in...

Dude, you have issues apparently.  

Antonovich left the race early to try and catch Deegan or Levi after the race.  He was not there in a "media capacity" and left his family in the stands.

Swap Moto interviewed Mitch and it was awesome.  

Levi posted on IG he was going for it with all the money on the line and was DGAF.

Pulp had Levi Kitchen and Ezra Lusk and Kitchen was super clear and open on the issue.  Even Roczen was asked about it on the show.

Levi was not available and nor was Deegan to any media.  Neither made the podium so they were not in the PC. 

What else do you want?

No issues, I just got really wound up about it obviously. Levi looked foolish to me. It robbed us of watching a potential battle between Jo...

No issues, I just got really wound up about it obviously. Levi looked foolish to me. It robbed us of watching a potential battle between Jo and Haiden as well. I was all about this series the first year. It was awesome racing with awesome venues. Last year seemed like a letdown from that and the first two races of this the third year have stunk imho and that debacle was like icing on the cake for me. Might as well be called AverageMediorcrecross at this point. Yes, I think the media is lame and the sport needs to recognize how luke warm the reporting is. I also admit to being a Haiden fan (again obviously) and the hate in here for a kid that has breathed life into things the last couple of years baffles me. Do Vitards want everyone to be polite, corporate shills that speak in dulcet tones about their competitors or do they want some controversy and rivalries? This community is so fickle it baffles me sometimes Wink  

Moto Mike, you’re trippin out man….

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9/16/2025 11:29am Edited Date/Time 9/16/2025 11:30am

I’ve rewatched the pass on social media so many times now as it keeps showing up everywhere and I know a lot of people isn’t going to agree with me, but that wasn’t a hard hit, it looks more like Deegan gets stood up and not like he is hit with force or has his front wheel blowed out. Maybe also a bit how he leans into Kitchen. Blame on it is still 100% on Kitchen of course but we’ve definitely seen a lot harder hits or hits and also those that been more aimed towards the front wheel with the ambition to take the front wheel out. This pass would barely be mentioned if Levi did it to any other out there, and not just because of the championship. 

But Haiden seem to have handled it well, if he was angry straight after the race it’s of course ok but he hasn’t blown this up like I and most expected. Yet atleast. 

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Moto Mike, you’re trippin out man….

I must have snapped pulling my 5th wheel home coming through the Chicago suburbs. It was a horrific scene man!

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da300 wrote:
What’s your deal dude? Have you ever competed in anything in your entire miserable life? Being pissed off a race went poorly is immature? People like...

What’s your deal dude? Have you ever competed in anything in your entire miserable life? Being pissed off a race went poorly is immature? People like you single handedly make this forum so insufferable.

Cry me a river, you clown. 🤣

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9/16/2025 2:47pm Edited Date/Time 9/16/2025 2:47pm
"Kid thinks he is playing head games. He is making enemies."There are no 'friends" out there racing. Ask Hannah or any serious racer. These guys would...

"Kid thinks he is playing head games. He is making enemies."

There are no 'friends" out there racing. Ask Hannah or any serious racer. These guys would wreck their mom for a win or a title

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I did not see Chase try to take out Webb for the SX title this season?I did not see Hunter try to take out Jett for...

I did not see Chase try to take out Webb for the SX title this season?

I did not see Hunter try to take out Jett for the SMX ”title” last year?

I did not see Chase try to take out Eli for the 22 MX title?

I did not see Eli try to take out Dungey for the -17 SX title?


The old days you are frothing over are long gone by now…

Chase was too busy taking himself out

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RV's take on it was solid as always... pretty much that it was a borderline dirty move, but not quite,  Haiden did absolutely nothing wrong on the practice start, and move that kitchen was apparently mad about was 100% proper racing, and RV would have done the same thing there.

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I'm not a fan of Deegan's antics by any means. I thought I'd heard he'd helped one of the injured riders with a jet ride home...

I'm not a fan of Deegan's antics by any means. I thought I'd heard he'd helped one of the injured riders with a jet ride home though. I thought I'd also heard when a bunch of flights had gotten canceled a few years ago he'd helped some of his competitors get to the race as well. If anyone knows the details please share. He may be less of a douche than his WWE persona. I don't know one way or the other.

Yes, when Cole got hurt, the deegan/Haiden got him a PJ to fly to Colorado for surgery. Last year before waashougal was the outage that effected...

Yes, when Cole got hurt, the deegan/Haiden got him a PJ to fly to Colorado for surgery. Last year before waashougal was the outage that effected airports, they got a PJ for double the price, but they allowed Ricky, Jalek Swoll and Scuba Steve to go with them. 

Thanks, great memory. That's not the behavior of a total douche. It may be a stage persona he's playing out. Alice Cooper explained it best. He said you have to segregate your public persona from the real you, otherwise you try and live your life as that larger than life stage presence which is where things go south. Obviously with rock stars it's an extreme case with the 24/7 party animal that leads to over doses arrests and drugs. Still, Haiden MAY be playing a part in public. Very few people probably know for sure.

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9/16/2025 4:01pm Edited Date/Time 9/17/2025 11:47am
mxaniac wrote:
Thanks, great memory. That's not the behavior of a total douche. It may be a stage persona he's playing out. Alice Cooper explained it best. He...

Thanks, great memory. That's not the behavior of a total douche. It may be a stage persona he's playing out. Alice Cooper explained it best. He said you have to segregate your public persona from the real you, otherwise you try and live your life as that larger than life stage presence which is where things go south. Obviously with rock stars it's an extreme case with the 24/7 party animal that leads to over doses arrests and drugs. Still, Haiden MAY be playing a part in public. Very few people probably know for sure.

People have said that haiden is almost totally different off track and he’s like a normal kid off track, and the on track stuff/podium stuff is putting on a show for the fans.

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mxaniac wrote:
Thanks, great memory. That's not the behavior of a total douche. It may be a stage persona he's playing out. Alice Cooper explained it best. He...

Thanks, great memory. That's not the behavior of a total douche. It may be a stage persona he's playing out. Alice Cooper explained it best. He said you have to segregate your public persona from the real you, otherwise you try and live your life as that larger than life stage presence which is where things go south. Obviously with rock stars it's an extreme case with the 24/7 party animal that leads to over doses arrests and drugs. Still, Haiden MAY be playing a part in public. Very few people probably know for sure.

People have said that haiden is almost totally different off track and he’s like a normal kid off track, and the on track stuff/podium stuff is...

People have said that haiden is almost totally different off track and he’s like a normal kid off track, and the on track stuff/podium stuff is putting on a show for the fans.

According to his tiktoks he ain't no regular kid

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I've watched the qualifier start over and over and cannot figure out why so many are blaming Haiden for that. You do simulated starts, this kind...

I've watched the qualifier start over and over and cannot figure out why so many are blaming Haiden for that. You do simulated starts, this kind of thing happens. Bars came together with his teammate and it shot him to the right. Not Deegs fault. Some of you are acting like he did that on purpose.

Hilarious how I posted the same thing and like 25 people down voted it lmfao. 

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That just looked like a prime example of the old axiom "Talk shit, get hit."

Deegan has talked crap since the Am days and Levi took the opportunity.

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mxaniac wrote:
Thanks, great memory. That's not the behavior of a total douche. It may be a stage persona he's playing out. Alice Cooper explained it best. He...

Thanks, great memory. That's not the behavior of a total douche. It may be a stage persona he's playing out. Alice Cooper explained it best. He said you have to segregate your public persona from the real you, otherwise you try and live your life as that larger than life stage presence which is where things go south. Obviously with rock stars it's an extreme case with the 24/7 party animal that leads to over doses arrests and drugs. Still, Haiden MAY be playing a part in public. Very few people probably know for sure.

People have said that haiden is almost totally different off track and he’s like a normal kid off track, and the on track stuff/podium stuff is...

People have said that haiden is almost totally different off track and he’s like a normal kid off track, and the on track stuff/podium stuff is putting on a show for the fans.

JT$ alluded on his latest podcast that Deegan is chirping a lot more than we even see

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JT$ alluded on his latest podcast that Deegan is chirping a lot more than we even see

Yes, I was just talking about what we see vs what people in his circle see.

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If Deegan was slow and trash talking, there would be no reason for Kitchen to deliberately do a high risk pass. Get him later. 

If he were only fast (Shimoda or Jett) and no trash talk, I think Kitchen would have still ran it in hard on "the fast guy" because the opportunity is there and the guy is going to run away if Kitchen doesn't ride aggressively.  

So, after much deliberation and entertainment from the talk and Deegan persona, I think any top guy is going to race another top guy hard. It just gets Vital-ly emotional when you combine attitude with the situation. 

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9/17/2025 1:26pm
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Sadly I have that bad feeling Shimoda is gonna pay for it and will be sent flying off the track next week, hopefully I'm wrong though. 

If Shimoda gets punted it’s all good. This is racing and take outs are cool 👍

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A lot of people on here seem to think that Deegan's riding means he had this one coming. I can understand thinking he had it coming based on his trash talk & personality, but I think some of you are overstating his aggressiveness as a racer. From my recollection, the only straight-up stupid, dirty riding I've seen him engage in was against Jordon Smith at that one SX round when he was only a few races into his career. The other instances of contact involving him aren't really all that controversial in my book. Yeah, it sucked that he injured Schock in '24, but it was the final turn and he was in a title hunt, so I get it. His pass on Baumer at A2 was fairly tame - I would argue it was moreso Beaumer running out of real estate and trying to keep forward momentum while getting parked. And the pass on Davies was totally fine - he had spent the prior 2 laps trying to pass him clean and even checked up in a few corners to avoid contact, but eventually, an inside was all but handed to him by Davies and Deegan simply took the line.

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9/17/2025 3:01pm
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A lot of people on here seem to think that Deegan's riding means he had this one coming. I can understand thinking he had it coming...

A lot of people on here seem to think that Deegan's riding means he had this one coming. I can understand thinking he had it coming based on his trash talk & personality, but I think some of you are overstating his aggressiveness as a racer. From my recollection, the only straight-up stupid, dirty riding I've seen him engage in was against Jordon Smith at that one SX round when he was only a few races into his career. The other instances of contact involving him aren't really all that controversial in my book. Yeah, it sucked that he injured Schock in '24, but it was the final turn and he was in a title hunt, so I get it. His pass on Baumer at A2 was fairly tame - I would argue it was moreso Beaumer running out of real estate and trying to keep forward momentum while getting parked. And the pass on Davies was totally fine - he had spent the prior 2 laps trying to pass him clean and even checked up in a few corners to avoid contact, but eventually, an inside was all but handed to him by Davies and Deegan simply took the line.

Well said Tom. Finally someone speaking the truth.  👍

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A lot of people on here seem to think that Deegan's riding means he had this one coming. I can understand thinking he had it coming...

A lot of people on here seem to think that Deegan's riding means he had this one coming. I can understand thinking he had it coming based on his trash talk & personality, but I think some of you are overstating his aggressiveness as a racer. From my recollection, the only straight-up stupid, dirty riding I've seen him engage in was against Jordon Smith at that one SX round when he was only a few races into his career. The other instances of contact involving him aren't really all that controversial in my book. Yeah, it sucked that he injured Schock in '24, but it was the final turn and he was in a title hunt, so I get it. His pass on Baumer at A2 was fairly tame - I would argue it was moreso Beaumer running out of real estate and trying to keep forward momentum while getting parked. And the pass on Davies was totally fine - he had spent the prior 2 laps trying to pass him clean and even checked up in a few corners to avoid contact, but eventually, an inside was all but handed to him by Davies and Deegan simply took the line.

While I understand the thought process, all of the examples you listed go to show he’s been involved in incidents/scuffles more than almost any other rider on the track. While yes none of these are individually terrible, they go to show he invites contact when battling someone, leading Kitchen/anti-Deegan fans to subsequently go “contact was fine during all those incidents between Cole and Julien, contact is thus also fine when it is Levi challenging Haiden”

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9/17/2025 6:08pm
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Sadly I have that bad feeling Shimoda is gonna pay for it and will be sent flying off the track next week, hopefully I'm wrong though. 

If Shimoda gets punted it’s all good. This is racing and take outs are cool 👍

Jo is my guy, but if Deegan has to give him the Zach-O treatment on the last lap, I'll be bummed, but not mad (it's $500K for God's sake). If he decides to grenade Jo early in the race to try to put him in a deficit, though, that'll piss me off big time.

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tomlopez wrote:
A lot of people on here seem to think that Deegan's riding means he had this one coming. I can understand thinking he had it coming...

A lot of people on here seem to think that Deegan's riding means he had this one coming. I can understand thinking he had it coming based on his trash talk & personality, but I think some of you are overstating his aggressiveness as a racer. From my recollection, the only straight-up stupid, dirty riding I've seen him engage in was against Jordon Smith at that one SX round when he was only a few races into his career. The other instances of contact involving him aren't really all that controversial in my book. Yeah, it sucked that he injured Schock in '24, but it was the final turn and he was in a title hunt, so I get it. His pass on Baumer at A2 was fairly tame - I would argue it was moreso Beaumer running out of real estate and trying to keep forward momentum while getting parked. And the pass on Davies was totally fine - he had spent the prior 2 laps trying to pass him clean and even checked up in a few corners to avoid contact, but eventually, an inside was all but handed to him by Davies and Deegan simply took the line.

I think his constant jabs and trolling of his competitors is what makes him a target. I agree with your assessment of him on the track, he's not Barcia. Take a bunch of young men in their early 20s and taunt them though, and sooner or later someone is going to snap. I'm not justifying it condoning that, I'm must saying it isn't a surprise.

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Mavetism wrote:

Sadly I have that bad feeling Shimoda is gonna pay for it and will be sent flying off the track next week, hopefully I'm wrong though. 

If Shimoda gets punted it’s all good. This is racing and take outs are cool 👍

If I were any rider on the track and saw deegan punt Jo, I would punt danger boy(while getting lapped) into next Tuesday just out of principle.

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Deegan has done so many vicious dirty move on riders, most of the time when it wasn't even necessary, just to establish his bully hierarchy. Totally made sense that Kitchen went for it, he wasn't even at 90°, not even comparable to Reed on Stew in St Louis. Kitchen's move wasn't as dirty as 95% of Deegan's shenanigans. Good to see Kitchen isn't scared. 

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Mavetism wrote:

Sadly I have that bad feeling Shimoda is gonna pay for it and will be sent flying off the track next week, hopefully I'm wrong though. 

If Shimoda gets punted it’s all good. This is racing and take outs are cool 👍

Shred wrote:
If I were any rider on the track and saw deegan punt Jo, I would punt danger boy(while getting lapped) into next Tuesday just out of...

If I were any rider on the track and saw deegan punt Jo, I would punt danger boy(while getting lapped) into next Tuesday just out of principle.

I can imagine a lapper purposefully taking out a leader would be met with some very harsh consequences. Not sure why you’d ever think someone would do that let alone wish for it. Lame

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If Shimoda gets punted it’s all good. This is racing and take outs are cool 👍

Shred wrote:
If I were any rider on the track and saw deegan punt Jo, I would punt danger boy(while getting lapped) into next Tuesday just out of...

If I were any rider on the track and saw deegan punt Jo, I would punt danger boy(while getting lapped) into next Tuesday just out of principle.

da300 wrote:
I can imagine a lapper purposefully taking out a leader would be met with some very harsh consequences. Not sure why you’d ever think someone would...

I can imagine a lapper purposefully taking out a leader would be met with some very harsh consequences. Not sure why you’d ever think someone would do that let alone wish for it. Lame

Was it hunter that hit Anderson while he was getting lapped? 

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If Shimoda gets punted it’s all good. This is racing and take outs are cool 👍

Shred wrote:
If I were any rider on the track and saw deegan punt Jo, I would punt danger boy(while getting lapped) into next Tuesday just out of...

If I were any rider on the track and saw deegan punt Jo, I would punt danger boy(while getting lapped) into next Tuesday just out of principle.

da300 wrote:
I can imagine a lapper purposefully taking out a leader would be met with some very harsh consequences. Not sure why you’d ever think someone would...

I can imagine a lapper purposefully taking out a leader would be met with some very harsh consequences. Not sure why you’d ever think someone would do that let alone wish for it. Lame

Well since you read my post, yet replied as you did….you think it is okay for Deegan to take out Jo, but any rider doing that to deegan should be met with “harsh consequences “….because my comment was only conditional on deegan doing the same first.  If you don’t think that then you are okay if the AMA penalizes deegan “harshly” (which they wouldn’t )for any takeout move, and him not being the champion if he wins after such a takeout.

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9/18/2025 11:10am
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Was it hunter that hit Anderson while he was getting lapped? 

I think so.

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Was it hunter that hit Anderson while he was getting lapped? 

I think so.

Yes it was. But JA was also the reason he got lapped in the first place lmao

Hunter or Jett are definitely not the guys you wanna mess with in the 450s. Forkner also tried it back then, he got tag-teamed by the hunter brothers 😂

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tomlopez wrote:
A lot of people on here seem to think that Deegan's riding means he had this one coming. I can understand thinking he had it coming...

A lot of people on here seem to think that Deegan's riding means he had this one coming. I can understand thinking he had it coming based on his trash talk & personality, but I think some of you are overstating his aggressiveness as a racer. From my recollection, the only straight-up stupid, dirty riding I've seen him engage in was against Jordon Smith at that one SX round when he was only a few races into his career. The other instances of contact involving him aren't really all that controversial in my book. Yeah, it sucked that he injured Schock in '24, but it was the final turn and he was in a title hunt, so I get it. His pass on Baumer at A2 was fairly tame - I would argue it was moreso Beaumer running out of real estate and trying to keep forward momentum while getting parked. And the pass on Davies was totally fine - he had spent the prior 2 laps trying to pass him clean and even checked up in a few corners to avoid contact, but eventually, an inside was all but handed to him by Davies and Deegan simply took the line.

While I understand the thought process, all of the examples you listed go to show he’s been involved in incidents/scuffles more than almost any other rider...

While I understand the thought process, all of the examples you listed go to show he’s been involved in incidents/scuffles more than almost any other rider on the track. While yes none of these are individually terrible, they go to show he invites contact when battling someone, leading Kitchen/anti-Deegan fans to subsequently go “contact was fine during all those incidents between Cole and Julien, contact is thus also fine when it is Levi challenging Haiden”

Yeah I understand where you're coming from. Although to be fair, I feel like the 250 class has been extremely tame over the past couple seasons compared to how wild it used to be. I feel like I can count on one hand the amount of "aggressive" moves Deegan has made, which would be totally normal in 2008, but is more than the other guys in the class currently.

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