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I never said he was higher risk.
Edit.. by higher risk I meant he understood the risk better than a random kid at school may. And you are right that its VERY MESSED UP that going to a school campass is a higher risk.
Public figures will get death threats pretty much no matter what they say or do, the larger the amount of people your content reaches increases the chance of somebody hating you. I would bet that just about anybody with a following if a million or more has gotten some threats. Im not saying its right, its just the way the world is . I meant to attach the" higher risk " to where i talk about my mother .
I said " My mother mother knew the risk" after getting threats made, stuff mailed trying to injur her or whoever opened the package. And close calls that resulted in a foiled attempt. It was clear to her that there are crazy people that get fired up enoigh to want to hurt people.
Just like with riding, you understand that there is the risk. And are not going to blame sonebody for their own death or injury. But at the sametime everybody understands that risk
I dont think anybody should be shot or hurt for things they say, no matter what they are.
I think its sad that people are placing a higher value on one life .
How many of those shootings were from 200 yards with a bolt action and a scope? You know those are available in most European countries, right?
Get the fuck outta here with that “ItS tHe GuN vIoLeNcE” bullshit. You’re no better than the people celebrating this.
This Matti guy is the poster child for the how the oppressive censorship political regime in Europe is getting away with it.
The more details keep coming out, it's becoming more and more apparent how much deeper the woke/antifa rot is in this country.
I hope the authorities have the moral fortitude to root it out and shine a big ol' spot light in there.
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This turned out to be fake news. There’s a lot of it circulating surrounding the death of Charlie Kirk. Apologies.
Lotsa ignorance around.🤣
FASCISM was Mussolini's economic model to bring Italy out of medieval poverty, similar to Hitler's infrastructure and war economy scheme. In general terms, "government and business collaberating very closely". Hmmmm....sounds familiar, donnit?
Good luck finding that anywhere on the internet now though. Every internet source now spews the same "far right....nationalist..... Christian.... racist....authoritarian" bullshit.
"Fascist" has become just another label, like :"racist" and "nazi" and "-----phobe".
To put it in perspective, you have to understand the left vs, right issue. "haha.....everybody knows the communists were left and the nazis right". says 99% of tossers.
Really? Why don't you look up the definitions of "left" and "right" in political context, and see what you find? The short version is, "left" is defined as "pro-big government and social engineering policies" and "right" as "pro small government and individual rights". Of course, defnitions seldom stay pure, things mutate and get distorted over time, but that's the big picture definition.
So -- please explain to me, how was the nazis not only "right", but "far right"? Or Mussolini's goose-stepping clowns?
1. NAZI is an acronym for NSDAP, ie. National-Sozialistishe Deutshes Arbeiter Partei. In English, National-Socialist German Workers' Party. Did you catch the "socialist" and "workers' party" bit? Wanna give us a short lecture on how socialists are "right" or "far right"?
2. Pro-big government. Describes Stalin and Hitler's M.O. to a T., in extremis. And, of course, the US "Democrats", and their equivalent in Oz, Europe, UK.... everywhere. Never seen a problem more and more government can't fix! Does that sound pro-individual rights?
3. Authoritarianism. One word (and one number) -- COVID-19. Would you say, the US government, and most of the world, was kind and respectful about mask and vaccine mandates etc? Didn't happen here, but in Australia and Europe, medical hit squads went around forcefully injecting people with vaccines. If you don't believe it, go find the video on U-boob of a screaming woman dressed in pink getting tackled by six goons held down and injected in Australia. IF it's still up, most likely taken down long ago. BTW.... Australia is a VERY repressive police state, ask me how I know.
I've been trying to find out exactly when, and who, started the "nazis are far right" nonsense. I'm still far from satisfied with my findings -- no original source documentation yet, you see -- but apparently ole Butcher Joe Stalin framed it as such during WW2, and then British and especially American journalists, who are exponentially more biased and ignorant about anything outiside the US, ran with it.
Ergo, commies left, nazis right. The opposite of left is right, right? If you fight the leftie commies, you're right!
Horseshit.
Please draw us some pictures, or show us some piecharts and photos about the differences between the KGB and the GESTAPO, or the SS and the Mongols of USSR 1945?
There was, and is, no real difference between the communists and the nazis, except that Stalin was MUCH "better" at murdering millions of people than the dipshit corporal Adolf.
BTW -- this was me 30 years and 4 months ago, in front of the mud shack that the psycopath "Joseph Stalin" was born and grew up in. It's in Gori, Georgia (not Atlanta, dummy!). Over the years I've done "some" reading on the topic. I don't need some Berkeley "academic" -- or some basement-dwelling ignoramus on the internet -- to tell me how those things worked and still do, I SAW it with my own eyes, for 8 months.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch.....observe how one random website called QUICKONOMICS talks itself into knots trying to explain how fascism tis "right wing" --- AFTER destroying its own credibility by claiming that Mussolini invented fascism "during World War 1". Uuuuhm no......it was in the 1920s, dipshits!. What else did you not fact check?
### Key Features
1. **Authoritarianism**: The consolidation of power under a dictatorial leader is a hallmark of fascism, where the leader’s authority is considered supreme. See above re. covid-19. Which party was in charge in the US during all that?
2. **Nationalism**: Fascism places a strong emphasis on patriotism and national greatness, seeking to forge a unified national identity, often based on racial, ethnic, or cultural purity. Since when has the USA been based on "racial purity"? Show us in the Constitution where it says that? Or on any city street how that worked out?
3. **Militarism**: A militaristic approach to governance, including the glorification of warfare and the armed forces as a means to achieve national objectives. Again, show us how that works in the USA? Or any Western European country (for now)?
4. **Totalitarianism**: An attempt to control all aspects of public and private life, including the economy, education, art, and social relations. Closely related to #1. How about a frank discussion about the US education system? Ya wanna open that Pandora's Box? or the "mainstream " media? Or the medical establishment?
5. **Suppression of Opposition**: Fascism is notorious for its brutal suppression of political dissidents, utilizing censorship, imprisonment, and violence. Censorship -- classic example, what's going on in the UK now. And which government is in charge? Labour, ie. socialists. Imprisonment -- wanna rehash the attempts to jail Trump for 700 years? Who tried to do that? The "far right", or PedoJoe's.... pen? VIOLENCE. -- BLM, Minneapolis and George Floyd, Los Angeles repeatedly ANTIFA..... should I continue?
I'd love to watch someone -- anyone -- jump throught their own asshole explaining how all this is "right" or "far right" 🤣
Any takers? Where's that clever teacher? or the downunda poofter know-it-alls?
Here's an "academic" article -- word salad, it could have been half the length -- that pretends to be objective, but is subliminally no different from MSNBC/CNN/NBC/ABC/CNBS/ETC.
Understanding the Conceptions of “Fascism” in Our Contemporary Political Climate | Inquiry Journal
It does make the point however, that "fascist" has been turned into just another label to call someone who doesn't agree with your views. "racist" has lost its punch, as has "Hitler" -- from overuse. Go read the old medieval fable "The little boy who cried wolf" and see how that works.
For bonus points and lively discussion, why don't Reese95W or MXMatti in the caliphate of Brussles or one of our sheep-shagging geniuses, explain to us all how Charlie Kirk was a "fascist"? (Or Donald Trump for that matter, now that we're on the topic 🤣). Point by point please, use the template above, or any of your choosing. Maybe start with "censorship"?
Dunbasses! 🤣 🖕
I think you are reading more into what i said and seeing something im not saying.
Im saying its sad how much more attension this shooting is getting over the others. How his life is being valued more over random children. A life lost is a life lost.
I dont give a fuck what the cause is if we do nothing to try and change things what doea the cause matter.
I see people who blame guns want to restrick acess.
I see people who blame mental issues ,offer nothing to try and fix anything.
I see people blame democrats and want to start a war.
I dont think anybody should be celibrating kirks death. But the people wanting to start a war with the left are just as bad. Start a war with the idiots celibrating and leave the other republicans and democrats out of something that only the extreamest of each party are doing or wanting.
One Party camt claim the moral highground without disowning the people who are wanting violance and celebrating Kirks death.
Both sides have bad people , but are not all bad people.
That’s a very informative post. Thank you for taking the time. I agree that our common contemporary use of right and left doesn’t map as neatly on to terms like fascist and Nazi as we’ve commonly been led to believe. Without an understanding of the context in which these movements arose it’s futile to have anything approaching a thorough understanding of them. That’s why I think it’s foolish to throw those words around so easily, as the left seems to do so often. They typically don’t know what they’re talking about. And their history isn’t as pristine as they like to think.
One point at which I’d push back a bit is I wouldn’t read too much into the fact that “socialist” is in the Nazi name. North Korea has “democratic republic” in its name but it’s not a democracy. The name of a movement isn’t always an accurate description.
This is a thread about a political assassination. If you want to discuss the entirely separate issue of school shootings, you’re free to make a thread on that topic. But coming in with your sanctimonious diversion is just a veiled attempt to minimize Kirk’s assassination by pointing out other things you think are more important.
RIP Charlie Kirk. He was a good man who cared about others. It’s sad that we have to demonize those with different political/religious views and resort to violence.
I cannot fathom celebrating the murder of a man who strove for peaceful debate, a father of two young daughters and a husband. Has society gone that far astray that they can’t show sympathy for another human being with different views and beliefs?
My thoughts are with his family and friends.
Beautifully stated Sir . Golf Clap to you …👏💯
If kirk had been killed by a mugger walking down the street it would barely be a story. The increased attention this is getting has nothing to do with his life being valued over anyone else's. Of all the shootings, how many of them were a direct attack on a fundamental concept this country was founded on? His life itself doesn't have to be more or less valuable than anyone else's for his death in this way to still be much more significant to society at large. Most killings aren't also trying to kill an idea that many people find to be necessary to the continued functioning of a free and civilized country. That's what this was. It deserves the attention regardless of one's personal feelings on the victim.
This entire post appears to be fake news
The guy has no ties to youngblud and he wasn't cheering on the death of charlie.
He served, is a father, and is a fellow Turning Point advocate.
He says he was chanting "USA" much like what was done after Trump got up from his assassination attempt.
If you watch the full video, it looks to back his claims.
He'll probably continue to get death threats for a long time because of ignorance.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/15178515/bearded-man-cheering-charlie-kirk/
Doesn’t surprise me. There’s so much fake news circulating. It’s really ramped up. Gotta fact check fact checking I guess….
Interesting insight.
Do you agree with this political spectrum chart?
Your bullet points on fascism will garner examples from both sides depending on the authors point of view and their knowledge of where things are and where they are going.
Since you came to the US have you noticed more authoritarian tendencies in both parties or just one?
Do you think opposition to the Republican party is legitimate and necessary?
VP Vance will be hosting Kirk's radio show today
Class act, I'm sure it's going to be a wonderful tribute.
Imagine what we almost had; meanwhile Tim Walz is waking up this morning "scrolling through his phone for more news"
Pit Row
I wholeheartedly disagree and despise any celebration of this heinous murder.
As for criticizing Kirk’s viewpoints, actions, etc, I think that people have a valid point if they are talking about him in the same manner that he himself spoke about another man who was assassinated for his viewpoints……
Who was assassinated for his viewpoints?
I believe he talking about M.L.K.
😂
The local terrorist organization "Armed Queers SLC", who just so happened to have had an event in 2024 in the same small town that the shooters trans boytoy is from, deleted their social media accounts. Something to hide?
This organization also has a connection with the libtard BS movement "No Kings":
https://substack.com/inbox/post/169235945?r=9cdj0&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true
I wasn't saying anything was more important. I was saying it is sad that his killing gets so much attention while other school shootings get less attention. It happening on a college compass the school part seemed as relevant . I saw it brought up by others on here so I just figured it was a part of the discussion.
There still has NOT been a clear motive stated for the shooting so it's an assumption that it was a political assassination.A lot of speculation that it was a political thing. But the Utah Governor himself has stopped saying that it was a political assassination and said they still do not know the true motive as of the last I saw a couple hours ago. I could list all of the info that has been put out that has now been proved false, but I feel like that would be disrespectful .
It's still very sad, and I feel for his family. And it hits me especially hard, bringing up old memories of the night my mom had a close call when I was a little older than Kirk's kids, but still young enough that I wasn't told the full story until later in life.
If he does State time, there’ll be a mistake in the paperwork and he’ll get put in general population “accidentally”.
They still have not really discovered the true motive though. This is not an attack on the country, it was an attack by a single kid that likely has some mental health issues. Regardless of what party he was a part of, I do not see ANY of the leaders of either party claiming his actions were on the behalf of one party or the other. I've heard of people doing distatsful things, but those are random people. Not the leaders of the Democratic Party.
I only see one leader saying that this an attack on a party and the start of a war. The same leader that said it was politically motivated at the same time they reported he was shot. When the least was known.
Before the shooters images were even found, there were people claiming it was politically motivated because of the people in power speculating that was the case . At the time nothing was known other than Kirk was shot. The motive has still not been reported.
I understand that people are upset they lost somebody they liked. But if he had been mugged , we would be in the same exact place we are right now. Since we still do not know the true motive, people would speculate the same if he had been mugged.
Sounds like you've been under a rock for a few years now.
When its literally only 1 side that is doing the killings...we are not the same. Don't you dare play the "Both sides" BS. Its only the insane Democrats that are responsible for every mass shooting ever in history. You want to end most shootings, take all the guns away from the Trans/Gays and Democrats. Problem solved. The Democrat party has a Mental illness problem. FACTS.
The older I get, the more right wing I become. Idiotic left wing cretins have done their best to destroy my country, which was on perfect display when Charlie Kirk came over not long ago.
You can’t find common ground with people who think a man who would offer you a platform for peaceful debate deserved to be shot in the jugular in front of his wife and kids.
I am not going to get into an argument here . I feel bad for Kirk's family.
And sad for the people who are being deceived right now.
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