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All the headlines made me think of this? The country was founded and built on Christian values. When did it shift so far that it’s now considered only a one sided thing to be Christian?
Pretty interesting to see.
It's only right wing if you think to be a good person you need to be Christian.
Interesting to devolve the convo literally immediately. That may not prove the point you think it does, friendo.
Joe Biden went to church almost every week he was President. There's tons of Christians who are not right wing, it's about letting people have the freedom to believe what they want.
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One of my great friends is a Christian and he is very liberal. Not the annoying blue hair liberal but a true progressive puts others first type. He always says you cant be a new age conservative and a real Christian. Being a "Sunday Christian" and a MAGA type go hand and hand. IMO I think true Christian and old school democrats align the most.
Probably because of the Moral Majority started by Jerry Falwell in 1979.
Also the abortion issue
The OP is just saying “Christian” is being termed Far Right.
WTF is wrong with you?
James Talarico is as Christian as it gets and he’s a democrat.
Conservative Christian is certainly termed far right but it’s also kind of in the name.
Jesus said, "Don't be a dick".
It's pretty simple really...kinda hard to do but the rules are pretty simple.
When the IRS started allowing religious groups to donate money to political parties and not loose their tax exempt status. And all the Christian churches started donating to right wing candidates? It’s all about the money every time.
Sometime after WW2 when Jewish people grabbed control of the media.
Not a thing, thanks for asking.
Is something bothering you?
There are old-school Christians and there are right-wing Christians. There are too many things to list but notice that every right-wing person in politics also preaches bible verses while following none of those values in their actual lives. The "separation of church and state" is such an easy concept yet still in 2025, certain side leaders want to ignore it and move forward with certain agendas.
Because the loudest people are saying that out loud.
I'll clarify this statement in the context of all religions. If you think the laws of your country should follow the laws of your religion, you are right wing religious. If you think that the laws of your country do not need to follow the laws of your religion, you are left wing religious.
The founding fathers may have been religious themselves but did not put into law specific Christian doctrines. They mentioned God in the DoI but not Christianity, also the DoI is not a legally binding document of the USA. They talked about Christianity in their own writings but when it came to brass tacks they didn't make it law, quite the opposite with the first amendment to the constitution.
There's significant overlap between Christian doctrine and other religions and also secular morality so saying the USA was founded on Christian principles is overstepping it a bit.
What percent of the country has identified as Christianity? The country has been majority Christian since its inception, and at times massively so. It’s fallen recently, but is still the majority. And the reasons it’s fallen are interesting on its own.
If it wasn’t founded and built on these values, what was it built on? What was the guiding moral force?
Interesting perspective.
I don't have time to get into right now but here 2 places that are a good starting point. Really read and absorb what's written, it wasn't put on paper without absolute intention.
Pit Row
I think you’re miscontruing what I’m saying. As is typical within most arguments/discussions.
If the vast majority of the country is Christian, and that is what’s shaped their morality, values, beliefs etc.
And the country is made up of these individuals, and these individuals are in the government, writing policies, running businesses, in your neighborhood, in your schools, writing the curriculum etc etc etc etc - what/who was this country shaped and founded by?
You’re being very literal or selective with the direction of your points and seem to be missing something entirely from it all.
Doesn’t really matter anyway as that wasn’t even my original question.
As usual moving the goal post or straw man arguments are aplenty.
The guiding moral force would have been just basic universal human values. The morality expressed in the Bible was present long before Christianity ever existed. The Old Testament was written long before Jesus’ time and used by other religions. The Old Testament itself is by and large just an accumulation of basic human knowledge and values.
Morality and values don’t need a name or a religion to exist. They existed long before and will continue to exist long after monopolized religion. Universal morality and values exist in-spite of organized religion.
What exactly is your point then (not sure you are making it clear)? To (maybe) answer your question, no this country was not founded to be based on Christian values, even if over 50% of citizens are/were Christian. A fully functioning country and Christianity are not mutually exclusive. Generally speaking, correlation doesn't mean causation.
If you think the only thing that can make this country good is if everyone turns to Christianity that is a very right wing Christian nationalist way of thinking.
You are saying what I initially posted in this thread.
Religion, Politics and Money are the 3 things that creates divide and hatred along all of us.
I was raised as a Christian Seventh Day Adventist and attended SDA schools. Same bible same beliefs as all the different named Christian religions just a different sabbath day. Ever notice that the week always starts with Sunday on every calendar forever?
You do not have to be religious to believe what the 10 commandments say much like that we should ALL treat each other with respect and honor not hatred.
Over thousands of years Religion has started many many wars. IMO they were telling the soldiers sent to battle that being killed sent them to heaven.
Religion killed a large percentage of original Americans the Indians that didn’t have a religion and were the ones here thousands of years before the white man with his religion came to America .
" Christian Nationalists "
Those are the Right wingers
Love thy neighbor...
Nationalists > Not my fault they made bad decisions in there life.
Etc.
I honestly think it’s because it’s so far away from the far left. So to the far left just having Christian Values is extreme.
I feel like unless I see you at church ,I should not know anything about your religious beliefs.
This kind of reinforces what I was saying about conservative and liberal Christianity being 2 distinct sides of the same coin. The conservative Christian is skeptical that any religious outsider is a worthy peer. The liberal Christian will judge you on your merits.
It also highlights the importance of federalism as the first amendment was written to allow states to write religious laws into their constitutions. But constitutions were written with provisions to be changed. There's lots of whacky stuff in state constitutions, there was almost 20 states with legal slavery written into their constitutions at one time. Heck, at this time my state constitution makes marijuana explicitly legal.
I'm a liberal with some conservative tendencies so it's easy for me to pick out the parts of Christianity I think are really valuable and ignore the ones I think aren't, but I would never judge someone solely on their religious beliefs and wouldn't want my country 's government punishing anyone on those lines.
So that would make you disagree with someone like Charlie, right?
Christian. If what I was taught is correct that means "follower of Christ". You know...all the stuff written in red print in a King James Bible. The stuff that says love is #1. Witness by your example. Btw...going to church ain't got nothing to do with it.
The last time I got laid off and had to work out of state to keep a roof over the family...the Elders and and preacher came to my house and told my wife that if I had been a better Christian I wouldn't have got laid off. That had zero effect on my relationship with God but church is right out. Everyone is different but this is my truth to you guys.
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