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Brother and nephews on site. Called to tell me it just poured again. 

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9/6/2025 2:48pm Edited Date/Time 9/6/2025 2:48pm
Mavetism wrote:
How much better do we think Jett was at Redbud this year though percentage wise?And yeah I don't disagree, saying Jett is riding at 80% is...

How much better do we think Jett was at Redbud this year though percentage wise?

And yeah I don't disagree, saying Jett is riding at 80% is kinda disrespectful to the other riders, but we for sure don't see him at 100% most of the time.

Just better than everyone else by about 50% 😏

Same as always 

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Scoop tires?

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Moto110 wrote:

So when the hell are we supposed to go racing again? Stupid the delay has taken this long 

D.K.O.N. wrote:

Peacock should definitely change the weather

Moto110 wrote:
It’s not about peacock it’s about how all our local racing goes off the 30 min lightning delay from last strike within 10 miles, yet dumbass...

It’s not about peacock it’s about how all our local racing goes off the 30 min lightning delay from last strike within 10 miles, yet dumbass feld can’t seem to do the same 

It’s not Feld…insurance for venues like this require the delay when there is lighting in the area, they do the same for NASCAR, IndyCar, NFL, Baseball and college football…nothing Feld or the AMA can do it is out of their hands…

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I love that Joey Logano’s goofy ass is a moto fan. 

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Why are the bikes so dirty, not cleaned during this long delay. Is due to local environmental things, not allowed to wash?

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9/6/2025 2:57pm

Is it cancelled already?

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Shred wrote:
I guess what bothers me about the 80%…or even managing a lead.  It implies everyone else is at 100%.  It’s more like 90% vs 91%.  Otherwise...

I guess what bothers me about the 80%…or even managing a lead.  It implies everyone else is at 100%.  It’s more like 90% vs 91%.  Otherwise we would see a smoking qual lap 20 seconds faster than anyone else.  We don’t.  Chase probably felt trying to catch Jett had a little risk and second is as good as first if you win the last moto.  It is stupid and disrespectful to other top riders to imply Jett is 20% better than everyone else.  Now…is he 1-2%better?  Sure…you can argue that.  20%?  You’re ball gargling at that point.

Exactly. Sure, Jett can go faster, they all could..... but the likelihood of crashing goes up too much and this is just as true for Jett as it is anyone else. It's always been a dumb point. Jett is faster than everyone else at whatever percentage you want to say they're racing at where they're comfortable with the risk, but that does not mean he's cruising at some percentage of effort less than what everyone else is going at. The fact that he can briefly turn it up to gap someone doesn't change that. Has always driven me nuts they obsess over this like he could just win by a ton more if he wanted to. Some races maybe he could, but if he tried to do that he'd end up on the ground a lot more often and he knows it, so he doesn't. This is not a new concept, he's just faster than everyone, doesn't mean he's cruising. Qualifying also makes this clear. It's not like he's qualifying 2-3 seconds a lap ahead of everyone each week.

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FerCzD wrote:

Is it cancelled already?

No. Their time slot on NBC is over. Peacock is still streaming

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Gary Duck
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I'm guessing ZMax has a no-wash rule like they do at Mammoth.

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I know the sun sets at 7:43 or whatever. But if they don’t start in the next 20 min this shit is getting cancelled. Even if they cut Futures today. 

Would they run tomorrow or just scratch it? Can’t remember this ever happening before. 

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Why oh why do we have two trackside reports and not one of them has taken camera crew down to the pits to talk to riders. I get that they wouldn’t want that on the normal races because they want to relax but they are just sitting there. I’m pretty sure your highest placed privateer would tell you about their race and get their sponsors some screen time. The cameras are clearly already down there 

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AP looking fresh with the beard

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Shred wrote:
I guess what bothers me about the 80%…or even managing a lead.  It implies everyone else is at 100%.  It’s more like 90% vs 91%.  Otherwise...

I guess what bothers me about the 80%…or even managing a lead.  It implies everyone else is at 100%.  It’s more like 90% vs 91%.  Otherwise we would see a smoking qual lap 20 seconds faster than anyone else.  We don’t.  Chase probably felt trying to catch Jett had a little risk and second is as good as first if you win the last moto.  It is stupid and disrespectful to other top riders to imply Jett is 20% better than everyone else.  Now…is he 1-2%better?  Sure…you can argue that.  20%?  You’re ball gargling at that point.

truck wrote:
Exactly. Sure, Jett can go faster, they all could..... but the likelihood of crashing goes up too much and this is just as true for Jett...

Exactly. Sure, Jett can go faster, they all could..... but the likelihood of crashing goes up too much and this is just as true for Jett as it is anyone else. It's always been a dumb point. Jett is faster than everyone else at whatever percentage you want to say they're racing at where they're comfortable with the risk, but that does not mean he's cruising at some percentage of effort less than what everyone else is going at. The fact that he can briefly turn it up to gap someone doesn't change that. Has always driven me nuts they obsess over this like he could just win by a ton more if he wanted to. Some races maybe he could, but if he tried to do that he'd end up on the ground a lot more often and he knows it, so he doesn't. This is not a new concept, he's just faster than everyone, doesn't mean he's cruising. Qualifying also makes this clear. It's not like he's qualifying 2-3 seconds a lap ahead of everyone each week.

Disagree, I think Jett could put a serious gap on them if he had too. He is climbing the wins at a rapid pace for reason. 

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Beeby wrote:
Why oh why do we have two trackside reports and not one of them has taken camera crew down to the pits to talk to riders...

Why oh why do we have two trackside reports and not one of them has taken camera crew down to the pits to talk to riders. I get that they wouldn’t want that on the normal races because they want to relax but they are just sitting there. I’m pretty sure your highest placed privateer would tell you about their race and get their sponsors some screen time. The cameras are clearly already down there 

Did JT see my post? Haha. Well done JT

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Mavetism wrote:

AP looking fresh with the beard

excuse me?

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Shred wrote:
I guess what bothers me about the 80%…or even managing a lead.  It implies everyone else is at 100%.  It’s more like 90% vs 91%.  Otherwise...

I guess what bothers me about the 80%…or even managing a lead.  It implies everyone else is at 100%.  It’s more like 90% vs 91%.  Otherwise we would see a smoking qual lap 20 seconds faster than anyone else.  We don’t.  Chase probably felt trying to catch Jett had a little risk and second is as good as first if you win the last moto.  It is stupid and disrespectful to other top riders to imply Jett is 20% better than everyone else.  Now…is he 1-2%better?  Sure…you can argue that.  20%?  You’re ball gargling at that point.

truck wrote:
Exactly. Sure, Jett can go faster, they all could..... but the likelihood of crashing goes up too much and this is just as true for Jett...

Exactly. Sure, Jett can go faster, they all could..... but the likelihood of crashing goes up too much and this is just as true for Jett as it is anyone else. It's always been a dumb point. Jett is faster than everyone else at whatever percentage you want to say they're racing at where they're comfortable with the risk, but that does not mean he's cruising at some percentage of effort less than what everyone else is going at. The fact that he can briefly turn it up to gap someone doesn't change that. Has always driven me nuts they obsess over this like he could just win by a ton more if he wanted to. Some races maybe he could, but if he tried to do that he'd end up on the ground a lot more often and he knows it, so he doesn't. This is not a new concept, he's just faster than everyone, doesn't mean he's cruising. Qualifying also makes this clear. It's not like he's qualifying 2-3 seconds a lap ahead of everyone each week.

gregyou wrote:

Disagree, I think Jett could put a serious gap on them if he had too. He is climbing the wins at a rapid pace for reason. 

Then why doesn't he put those laps in during qualifying? It's not like he can know what someone will do on their heater as the clock runs out. Why not build that gap during the race so a simple tip over or flat tire or brake failure won't matter? There's no logical reason to not build the gap if you don't think it comes with increased risk. 

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Fuck...

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FUCK! Cancelled.

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Cancelled over rain is WEAK

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They called it. So lame!

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Shred wrote:
I guess what bothers me about the 80%…or even managing a lead.  It implies everyone else is at 100%.  It’s more like 90% vs 91%.  Otherwise...

I guess what bothers me about the 80%…or even managing a lead.  It implies everyone else is at 100%.  It’s more like 90% vs 91%.  Otherwise we would see a smoking qual lap 20 seconds faster than anyone else.  We don’t.  Chase probably felt trying to catch Jett had a little risk and second is as good as first if you win the last moto.  It is stupid and disrespectful to other top riders to imply Jett is 20% better than everyone else.  Now…is he 1-2%better?  Sure…you can argue that.  20%?  You’re ball gargling at that point.

truck wrote:
Exactly. Sure, Jett can go faster, they all could..... but the likelihood of crashing goes up too much and this is just as true for Jett...

Exactly. Sure, Jett can go faster, they all could..... but the likelihood of crashing goes up too much and this is just as true for Jett as it is anyone else. It's always been a dumb point. Jett is faster than everyone else at whatever percentage you want to say they're racing at where they're comfortable with the risk, but that does not mean he's cruising at some percentage of effort less than what everyone else is going at. The fact that he can briefly turn it up to gap someone doesn't change that. Has always driven me nuts they obsess over this like he could just win by a ton more if he wanted to. Some races maybe he could, but if he tried to do that he'd end up on the ground a lot more often and he knows it, so he doesn't. This is not a new concept, he's just faster than everyone, doesn't mean he's cruising. Qualifying also makes this clear. It's not like he's qualifying 2-3 seconds a lap ahead of everyone each week.

gregyou wrote:

Disagree, I think Jett could put a serious gap on them if he had too. He is climbing the wins at a rapid pace for reason. 

Some tracks maybe. But some tracks they’re all riding the limit and he can’t do anything about that.


Like this SMX track. I think he was riding as fast as the track  allowed. I think Chase and Eli can run the same pace. Jett just got the start and could run that pace.
 

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Thatsa wrap. 

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third year at Zmax - just feels like a bad time of year to have a race in CLT

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Trailturd wrote:

Cancelled over rain is WEAK

Canceled over lighting is more accurate.  

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Jett Lawrence on a Yamaha according to the broadcast. 😄

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Trailturd wrote:

Cancelled over rain is WEAK

It’s going to be dark by the time the 450s hit the track, lighting may not be adequate considering the conditions. 

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WFO Dave wrote:

They called it. So lame!

Stupid Moto Xross

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